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Obama replaying a WWII ploy?

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posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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I was sent an e-mail with WWII war posters. As I looked through them, one in particular hit me. It read in the foot note:

"To help you do your share the Government has organized THE CITIZENS SERVICE CORPS as a part of local Defense Councils with some war task or responsibility for every man,woman,and child. Probably such a Corps is at work in your community. If not help to start one. A free booklet is available through your local defense council will tell you what to do and how to do it. Go into action today and get the satisfaction of doing a needed war job well!

EVERY CIVILIAN IS A FIGHTER "

Ok...so what I'm looking at is that it appears to be that America today is being prepped for the Government type of "brain washing" that took place during WWII. That the reasons for the "Obama Blitzkrieg" on all of these bills re: our economy, and his rendition of the CITIZENS SERVICE CORPS" is because he is setting us up for the next major conflict what ever it may be...

How do y'all see this?


mods: if this is not in the correct forum, feel free to move it.


~Holly

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Holly N.R.A.]




posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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how is a community core brainwashing. back then when your bothers, fathers and friends were off dieing in a foreign land, no brainwashing was needed to get the populace to contribute to the war effort.
and beside obama is doing a good job at tieing all your countries loose ends. like it or not he is doing what needs to be done.



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Wouldn't more people getting involved in community activities lead to more civic participation, more people involved in the political dialogue, and therefore greater participation of democracy?

Seems to me to be a good idea. The U.S. came out of WW II a better nation.

The real problem is that with both parents working in a typical family who has time to participate. It seems to me that the plan of the PTB is to keep everyone too busy to take part in our nations democracy.

Maybe the first step would be to shorten the work week like they did in the last great depression.



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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Spearhead... thanks for your reply, but you misunderstood what I was getting at. I was not saying that sending "our boys", as was referred to during WWII, was due to "brainwashing" they did a bang up job. But, war is war, and America has always sacrificed their own for others and their causes, although none of it was fought on American soil, outside of our conflicts for our FREEDOM during the revolutionary war, french and indian wars, and the Civil War (all for freedom that impacted us directly) and of course WAR=MONEY...and I don't think that the B.O. is above starting "something"...or throwing support behind some country that America will play police state for, sending our people to die for them, and spin it that they are doing it for American Patriotism and our protection.

The brain washing comes in when you convince the sleeper American that they are doing something "for the greater good" by supporting such things, and those posters I referred to were the MSM of their time.

The particular section I quoted sounded all too familiar to what B.O. is proposing. It begins with community action, sounds great...but one has to see past the "pretty words" and the "feel good YES WE CAN'S" to fathom that we are headed down the same road as they were prior to WWII. Economic woes from the depression, etc... When the citizens are called from Obama's mandatory volunteerism to support his newest scheme, it will be too late, because they will have succumbed and will follow quietly, for they can no longer think for themselves...they will all be members of the slave majority.

~Holly



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 03:07 PM
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People are so paranoid these days. Did you ever think that the reason why he is creating community core is so that the lazy azz american people would get up and do something and not sit on the couch?

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Dark Jester]



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 03:10 PM
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Tactics is getting there the firstest with the mostest.

Industrial nations achieve this in a broad way by fielding as much as they possibly can and giving it the best logistical support they can. But it necessarily slows them down and limits their unpredictability, so that way of fighting becomes obsolete the minute somebody moves into the information age.

Information age nations get there the firstest with the mostest in a narrower way, through concentration of force- using a smaller force of superior components, which gains localized superiority on key parts of the battlefield through speed, surprise, and intelligence- hitting the enemy where they aren't rather than where they are.

So Obama's volunteer program seems wasteful to me, from a military perspective. It makes much more sense in the context of Obama's social agenda.

(Second edit to add: This is why the Mongols never had any trouble with Christian armies, and why the limitations placed on Germany after WWI didn't render them completely defenseless. Both forces had learned to embrace manuever warfare, and essentially were applying information age principles ahead of their time.)

[edit on Thu 26 Mar 2009 by The Vagabond]



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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People need to be forced to action, apparently. No one was upset when soldiers were dying, but have some tent cities and all of a sudden everyone is semi-ready to revolt. This may be ht lynch-pin we need to get seriously peeved; therefore the beginning, of our destiny as a people, to die--trying to get freedom.



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Dark Jester
People are so paranoid these days. Did you ever think that the reason why he is creating community core is so that the lazy azz american people would get up and do something and not sit on the couch?

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Dark Jester]


DJ...far from paranoid here...

But I do believe that there has to be more motivation out there for these "lazy azz american people" you refer so warmly to, than allowing the Government to supply it for them...and if that is what it comes down to...then as I said...they are too far gone...

We do not need "Big Brother" to take care of us...at least some of us don't.

~Holly



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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I'm sure your headed right down there to enlist and do 'His Lordships" bidding right? In a free society it's volunteerism not mandatory servitude that's the question, and if you have listened to Rahm Emanuel you hear much different reteric than what is seen in the media. They start with the young and move on to the rest. No self respecting American should even consider a proposal like this if its mandatory. Its bad enough that our kids are indoctrinated in our Socialist Engineered Mandatory Captive School Systems with out another government run mandatory indoctrinating mission to educate the populace on the ways of our benevolent leaders! Lazy has absolutely nothing to do with it!
Zindo


[edit on 3/26/2009 by ZindoDoone]



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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A star for you Zindo...


Agreed....and that was what I was getting at with the original post, people during WWII were reacting to what was being fed to them by their Government, and that is what I sense is coming down the pike during the B.O's time in office.

~Holly



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 06:56 PM
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You want proof americans are lazy. ok here you go. People on here are always saying this government is paving the way for a "Socialist" government and everyone seems all upset about it and they are saying "we need to overthrow the government" and other crap like that. But do you see anyone overthrowing the government? No, because americans are too lazy to do anything about it. You people are so afraid to try anything new, that you all label every different as evil, NWO, Lumanati or other crap like that.



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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have you ever considered that people don't want to over throw the government?
it just doesn't happen. not in a uber nation anyhowz.
sacrafice needs to be made for the good of the nation. if you, an individual doesn't like it, poo diddley to you. it does not give just cause to destroy that which you have known for your entire lives.
it is you that are afraid of the change. the change obama is seeking to bring. the obama you voted for.
you are afraid and that is what drives you to rebel against those who lead the way.
sure there is corruption in the government but without corruption there will be no justice.
and as for the community core get off your arses and make something of it instead of sitting there crying cos you'll actually have to socialize.



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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First of all, I sure as hell did NOT vote for Obama. I sure as hell didn't vote for McCain either.

Dark Jester is doing exactly what he's complaining about. Absolutely nothing! How many letters and e-mails do you send to Congress or your Senators? I send an average of 4 a week and not only to the Congress Critters in my state, but others that are working to help us get out of the mess we're about to dive into. Fortunately calling the Congressional switch board is not a long distance call or my phone bill for 'waiting on hold listening to elevator music' time would rival the national debt. When you start actualy doing something about the problems Jester maybe you can tell me Americans are lazy and do nothing. Till then youngster, I would advise you to start to learn what's realy being done.

Zindo



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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You must have either a golden tongue or some pretty decent representatives if communicating with them counts as doing something, Zindo.
But I can't help noticing that nobody in America did anything that was sufficient to stop the house from passing 1388.

Being conservatives, many opponents of 1388 may not have heard, but when the left wants to feel like they've done something for the cause, they file a lawsuit. Every once in a while it actually stops the government. Food for thought if any of you feel that you will be damaged by the program.

[edit on Fri 27 Mar 2009 by The Vagabond]



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 11:50 AM
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You make a very valid point - and comparison -
It sounds much the same.
Is it the same?
I hope not.

Certainly we would all like to believe that these tactics
used in WWII wouldn't be used here.
Do we know they won't?
No -

It's important to note history.
It's not far fetched to see the similarities and
be mindful about what these new rules can
mean under a corrupt system.

I'm with you.
Keep your mind open and
your eye on the mandatory service ball.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 12:07 PM
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I've wondered if we are not headed - or being guided into a new WW.

So many things lining up -
This latest deal with the corps.
NK with its missle on the pad and threats from both sides.
Pakistan in turmoil - both internally and with India.
The ongoing wars in Afgaistan & Iraq.
China flexing their muscles
Russia flexing their muscles
All of the on-going talk about Iran.
New talk of an AQ threat.
World's economy down the tubes.
Oh - and can't forget Isreal in all of it.

So many parts of a really big fire being laid out just waiting for the right spark...



[edit on 27-3-2009 by Frogs]



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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As I said guys, a civilian service corps is not nearly as military relevant as it was 65 years ago.

We won't really do any better for having a bunch of civilians trying to produce more war materiel. If they'd all like to strap some to their back and swim the Atlantic, that might help, because our deployability is still our biggest problem.

I also don't think a major war is all that likely in the current situation.
1. The Chinese don't have the sealift capability to operate against significant opposition outside of Asia and their long term interests continue to be best served by peace at this time, particularly if they want a global reserve currency.

2. The North Koreans are bluffing- their missile is a beefed up SCUD that began life as a testbed for later multi-stage rockets, IF they have a warhead efficient enough to pack a good punch and be delivered on that rocket, they still don't have enough of them to defeat the US.
The only logical move for NK is to hold their few nukes as tactical weapons in the event of a US invasion (they would want to target key logistical hubs in Japan and South Korea so as to end all hope of an American conquest and trap our forces, then hold them hostage to end the war without retaliation.

3. The Russians are not a threat to anyone who doesn't border them, and we don't have the will to protect their neighbors if push comes to shove. The Russians won't be a serious threat again until they're ready to threaten either Turkey or Afghanistan/Pakistan AND operate a first-rate navy world-wide, and they've been dreaming of that day for over a century without success.

4. An attack on Iran will become much more feasible in a few years Ideally, Iran should be invaded from Pakistan and Afghanistan (BOTH, Pakistan must be tightly under control in order for major operations from Afghanistan to be viable), as it bypasses Iranian defenses and is not as diplomatically unattractive as invading Iran from Iraq. I don't even have to mention the budget and manpower reasons for delaying the war or the fact that Obama could better afford that in a second term (and might even have to with a Republican congress to answer to, which WILL happen by 2014 and theoretically could happen in 2010 if the Republican party plays its cards right).

There probably are a few wars out there waiting to happen- I'm standing by my long-time prediction that things will come to a head between us and the Chinese, probably in Central Asia, by 2030 at the latest- but for the next 2 to 4 years I expect things to be relatively peaceful.

Whats going on is fairly simple. We're low on capital but we want to get a lot done, so Obama thinks he can get some things done with less capital by getting people to work for free. The program will probably be scaled down after the study and then have its funding cut off after a few years of underperformance, becoming a forgotten stepchild of the government that a hand full of diehards refuse to let go of but nobody takes seriously. (As a Californian, I have a pretty good nose for cute ideas that aren't going anywhere good, if they go anywhere at all- so trust me).



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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Short of actualy putting a gun to their heads ( and I don't mean figuratively), what else can be done but to let their office staff hear from those that disagree with any legislation. Those that don't at least speak up on issues, whether they agree or disagree, are not using their citizenship in a manner that matters! Sitting back and just complaining is the cowards way out. The more discourse used the better to actualy gage matters in legislation. Oh, and no, I'm no silver tounged devil, but I do lt them know exactly how I feel.

Zindo



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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(As a Californian, I have a pretty good nose for cute ideas that aren't going anywhere good, if they go anywhere at all- so trust me).


so all californian;s have this nose. because it appears to be buried in a steamy heap of egotistical BS. how are californian's gifted enough to know the state and intentions of the world nations.

i'd have to say. i couldn't trust you as far as obama could throw you.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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100% on target. Fire for effect.

Motivate believers before the "Tea Party" movement and other forms of discontent (Minutemen come to mind) take hold and spread.

Afghanistan is ratcheting up to be Obama's Vietnam (civilian "advisors", ill-equipped troops in unfriendly terrain seeking an entrenched enemy with local support), and he will need all the support he can get from anywhere he can get it.

jw



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