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Americans Largely Silent as Their Nation is Systematically Destroyed

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posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 07:06 AM
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Very nice resume, you can put it back in your pants now. For the record, I'm not a college boy. No one doubts the sort of corruption you mentioned. Wall Street most likely contributed directly to whats happening in Mexico right now, what with all the coke that's been snorted there.

People love to bring up Obama, like he really is the brains behind this. This nation was on the brink of revolution and a black president brought it to a simmer. That's what Obamania is, complacency. It worked, people are just going to work and doing their thing, as they should.

I truly believe this economic plan has been in the works for decades. I still think this bailout is just part one of the plan; Operation: Keep head above water. Part two will be a global restructuring a sort of New New Deal that will create a clear line in the sand on the global stage. I think the panic we see is also part of the plan. What better way to rally people for a cause then to create a crisis, then the government can swoop in with Obama at the apex of the delta and save us with their daring/controversial/only choice plan. The choices are already made for us, we just have to understand why.

It's up to the G20 now. Hold your breath.




posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 07:14 AM
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And which business school did you attend? Harvard, Yale, Princeton. Whatever, I'm not into sports. The point was the economy is a lot more complicated than assessing the interest rate on a credit card. And regardless, the article this thread is based on is poppy cock.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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BRAVO!
I disagree with the premise that Americans are not fighting back. We are daily writing and calling our Senators and Representatives. The problem is that they don't listen to us. I can't even get a reply most times. I am in the process of writing articles for the web, pointing out the mistakes Obama is making, pointing out how that idiot, Timothy Geitner(sp?) is trying to assume powers the treasury has no right to prove.
And I am not the only one.
People all over the country are demonstraing. People are angry and they are making their anger known. We have to keep the momentum of this anger going, and make it grow.
The people of this country literally have to let their govenment know "We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it any more."



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 07:25 AM
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I was very happy, when Obama finally won the big chair, and I thought this was gonna start a new era for americans. Even though Mr. Obama tries to play catchup, and trying to fix a few potholes here and there, it's a little to late I think.
Now there's enough blame to go around in Congress, and all the best intentions may be on Obama's schedule, I fear the downward spiral united states is inn, will be inreversable. The 8 long years with Bush Jr. at the helm, was planned out from the beginning. Spend as much cash as possible, and leave a money sucking black hole. USA is on the brink of bankrupsy. If China desided to call in some of the loans, and other countrys desided it's time, then you'll have one of the greatest nations brought down on it's knees.
Basically the shelfs at most stores will look like postwar Russia, with people standing in lines for hours, just to get a loaf of bread or milk.

This scenario is the reason, for the connection between Mexico and Canada, along with the US Constitution thrown onto the fire. Meanwhile the dollar will be replaced with the new currency called the Amero.

I simply don't understand the apathy and the it'll be okay attitude by the american people. They should be protesting, striking just to make sure, that in order to stop this madness.

Perhaps it's too late already.

Peace



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by The Savage Khan
reply to post by sadchild01
 


And which business school did you attend? Harvard, Yale, Princeton. Whatever, I'm not into sports. The point was the economy is a lot more complicated than assessing the interest rate on a credit card. And regardless, the article this thread is based on is poppy cock.


none and neither am i interested in harvard ,yale grads, they just create a bunch of ego filled snobs , who couldn't even handle Wall street





The point was the economy is a lot more complicated than assessing the interest rate on a credit card.


I am a Saver and very stingy , never used credit cards like you pathetic americans



I'm not into sport

neither am I , nor interested , your nation is a failure



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 10:56 AM
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This article is very cleverly done and clearly written by someone who wishes to educate, but without upsettign TPTB in their organisation.

Starred and Flagged by virtue of the source and their methodology!!



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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I am SO sick and tired of hearing "left" this and "right" that, "liberal" blah and "conservative" yada!

We need to stop pointing fingers at each other and REALIZE that the politicians on one side, whether they be liberal OR conservative, are as EQUALLY corrupt as the ones on the other side.

Us sitting here and pointing fingers at the other party is going to get us absolutely nowhere. If we want change in this country, then we have to make that change TOGETHER. I mean, it's blatantly obvious that our government, current or past, is doing little, or did little, about it, so it is left up to us, up to Americans as a WHOLE, to fix things.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
 


Lol. I just posted a much shorter, but not as elegant, comment on the same phenomenon in another thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



There is no difference between the agenda of the parties, because like you say, they are owned by the same people. Bought and paid for. The whole two party thing just keeps us bickering and cheering on our "team" and when they fail us too, we just tell ourselves, "well its because of the other guys, they messed it up so bad my guys couldnt do better."

And even bright people cannot let go of the dream that their favorite party is going to ride in on a white horse and save them.


I obviously agree.
Although I loved your phrasing of it. As usual, very nice reading.


I like the way you put it too, very much so. When you stop to think about it, it's almost impossible not to pick a side, left or right.

Even when you want to remain neurtal or go with an independent party, if your not for what the party in power is doing or say something against it, they insist your in the other party/side by default.

If you say something that the other party/side doesn't agree with, they insist you are in the other party by default.

I wish we could go back in time and find that guy who drew that first line in the sand!



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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The Declaration of Independence

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States


In other words, people can take a lot of crap, but it will backfire eventually. People won't take it forever. Be patient. Americans may be silent, but they are watching.

[edit on 27-3-2009 by projectvxn]



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 12:12 PM
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This is just stupid stuff. Do any of you know what the tax rate was for the super rich back in the 50's? Where we a socialist country when Eisenhower was president? Were we socialist under Kennedy in the 60's? Do you know what the tax structure was then? If you don't know, then go get an education before you voice your uneducated opinions. You have a right to be stupid but you have a obligation to enlighten yourselves for the good of us all if you are going to proclaim what you think is good for our country.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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Hmmmm, silence does NOT necessarily denote tacit approval on the matter. Allow me to throw my 2 cents in to clarify the matter.

First of all, many of us do not like what the US has become over the past 30 years - we welcome the failure of "That" system. Many of us are waiting for this whole house of cards to come crashing down to take advantage of the opportunity that we will be given - to start over.

I mean, really... Anyone really interested in being a debt slave to the corporatocracy? Think about it.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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This is pretty typical of someone who hasn't been around long. Assailing responses such as these tend to get you nowhere. May I suggest joining the debate?



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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Well I kind of like what life was in the 50's when I was growing up. Taxes were way higher back then and most in this country were a lot happier back then, life was more "fair" and equatable. Maybe I missed something, but these threads are always calling for revolution, but when big changes come, the masses always get hurt terribly.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
Modern "conservatism" did not exist when this country was founded, neither did modern "liberalism"...

Socialism, or anything like it, had not even been conceived yet.

Neither had an industrial or postindustrial economy, very different from the agrarian economy of the Colonies....

The founders, however, were the "liberals" of their day, to wit: classical liberalism.

Many portions of that belief system have mutated into modern conservatism (the emphasis on economic freedom), others into modern liberalism (the emphasis on individual rights).


Just because the founders wanted to break away from the iron yoke of England does not make them Liberals, just as many people who have, and want to break away from the dictatorships of the world, which include Communism, it doesn't make them Liberals.

You are right in a way. The Republican Party has been slowly changed, and started to change more so just at the time when the Democrat Party surfaced and slowly has change since then.

A real Conservative is a person who wants to preserve, and keep safe certain ideas. However there are Conservatives that are doing the oposite.

A Republican, is a person that adheres to the ideals of a Republic, against all forms of dictatorship. So a Conservative Republican is a person that wants to conserve, and keep safe the Republic as founded by our forefathers.

All those Americans who really want to preserve, and save the Republic as founded by our forefathers are Conservative Republicans, even if they named themselves as follower of some new party.

All these people that call themselves Constitutionalists, if they really want to preserve, and adhere to the Constitution, are really Conservative Republicans, because the U.S. Constitution declares that every state must guarantee a Republican form of government.

Just because some modern scholars who happen to be liberals, or from some other new party, have written books claiming that the forefathers of this nation were the original Liberalists, or the original "input new name" it does not make it so. It just shows that people will twist the truth to try to propagate their own goals.

If all Americans were to read, and were to take to heart the U.S. Constitution, the Bills of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence, all Americans would see themselves as Conservative Republicans.

But alas, there are many Americans that want to change the Republic into whatever their own ideals tell them it should be, even if they think it is for the good of the Republic and it's people, and there are those that want to forever transform this nation into something it was never supposed to be knowingly, and unfortunately many of those people are in Government as we speak.

I keep hearing Americans bash, and blame all Republicans, as if being a Republican was bad, or against the principles that this nation was founded on, but it is clear that all those people bashing all Republicans really don't understand what a Conservative Republican is.

BTW, once again, I am not saying that there are some Conservative Republicans in government that are doing the oposite to what they should be doing.

The 104 Republican representatives who voted in favor for Bill H.R. 1388 voted in favor of a bill that oppresses the Republic and it's people. Likewise the same, or other Republicans in power have done the same thing involving other bills.

But one thing to notice is that the mayority of Democrats in power ALWAYS vote in favor of such bills and programs, because Democrats are in favor of a Democracy, which is completely different from a Republic.



[edit on 27-3-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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um i can see nobody read my post we need to start a internet petition to impeach all of these guys and get Ron Paul/Mike Gravel to support it!!!!


I GAVE A VERY REASONABLE AND COMMON SENSE SOLUTION BUT EVERYONE IS OVERLOOKING IT TALKING B.S.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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Well I kind of like what life was in the 50's when I was growing up. Taxes were way higher back then and most in this country were a lot happier back then, life was more "fair" and equatable. Maybe I missed something, but these threads are always calling for revolution, but when big changes come, the masses always get hurt terribly.


And people were paid a living wage. The American family unit was largely intact. Their was a "fairness" in that society that is no longer present. Our current structure has devolved into near total dependancy on the state. if you don't agree with that I suggest you look again and really think on it. In the 50's not to many people expected the government to provide so much. It was ours to earn and under the fair living wages many did. Now we are kept dependent by design. The general public has been trained to expect or demand from the government, rather than work towards a goal. The loss of the living wage and the hidden inflation of the dollar in cheaper goods has perpetuated the despotism everywhere.

This latest transfer of wealth from the public to the pockets of our controlers only serves to hold us down and to need the helping hand of government. It is now easier to regulate what we have. Children grow up this way and each generation is more indoctrined to the program than the last.

Yes there are lots of calls for revolt but they are empty. When the goon squad is at the door demanding this or that they will be met with sheepish compliance rather than resistance.

You talk of big change hurting the masses and you're right!

The days of patriotic revolt have passed, it's too late for that, the people are afraid. Witness the whimper of protest and the final gasp of the dream as we roll into the 20teens. It will be nothing more than a steady continuation of our current path. It is unfolding as we speak. The last big hurdle is disarmament. Ask me what happend in 10 years.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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CAUSE I MEAN IF WE START A PETITION...


Get Ron Paul/Mike Gravel to support it, (also reps who tried to claim state sovereignty)

And when we get this thing to Supreme Court we compile all these video interviews from Politicians like Ron Paul and Aaron Russo (r.i.p.) throw the facts in their face in the Court of Law where it shows the people we are impeaching involvement.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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the dis-arming isn't gonna work especially if you know 'gangsters' in the ghetto



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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I agree. But occasionally bitter sacrifices like these need to be made. Otherwise, once living in a sea of despotism, always living in a sea of despotism.

It is very important that we realize the sacrifices that might have to be made before we call for such a thing as a revolution, but one must not discount that scenario based on what might be lost, because often what may be gained is far greater.



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