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Originally posted by JMasters
So far the only ones saying this is a bad thing... DO DRUGS! Not exactly a source we should take seriously.
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by HunkaHunka
I hate it when people bark out that things are unconstitutional. Learn what is and what isnt first
Welfare is a privilege not a right.
With any service those who enact it can set down rules and regulations. If you dont want to abide by those rules and regulations then dont sign the paper.
It has nothing to do with constitutionality and everything to do with choices that YOU make, if you cant stay clean, DONT get on the program.
Alcohol and tobacco arent the greatest things in the world, in fact a lot would argue that alcohol is worse and in a lot of ways it is. So I would say if the person has a history of alcohol abuse or related crimes, then that would constitute testing as well, after all abuse is abuse.
Smokes on the other hand, come on , now you are just throwing out random stuff to try and inflate your point. Caffeine and Cigs arent really going to make a person unfit to work, or unable to hold a job.
You can argue then that it excludes people who need welfare because of they have to conform to a set of rules. Well, guess what, if you really need welfare and you arent going to abuse it, them taking a hair sample or pee test every so often isnt going to bother you at all.......again, thats assuming that you arent addicted to drugs, or planning on abusing the system.
Originally posted by CapsFan8
Drug testing in the first place is an invasion of privacy, even for employers. If you are earning money which shouldn't be taxed in the first place, you are contributing to society and are free to do what you want. If the government screws up the economy it is not your fault you lost your job unless they were looking to unload you anyway. I have to say most drugs aren't any worse for you than TV and fast food, which are as addictive and harmful. The problem is a vicious cycle that they are going to complete with this legislation. Since most employers test for drugs you can't get a good job and if you have no income from the state like they want to do you'll turn to crime to pay for it and we all suffer. If only we had a respectable socioeconomic system we could just do away with welfare and drug laws and this wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
[edit on 26-3-2009 by CapsFan8]
[edit on 26-3-2009 by CapsFan8]
Originally posted by Blaine91555
First, I have not touched a drug in more than 20 years. I drink maybe a half dozen bottles of beer in a year.
Having gotten that out of the way, people are not exhibiting much common sense on this issue, nor are you considering the direct consequences of this.
Obama, the President of the United States is a self confessed drug user who used both Marijuana and Cocaine. I have no idea at what point in his life he quit, but do all of you consider him a useless drug user? He committed the exact same crime regardless of when he did it.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Mekanic
...and you would rather have them and their children homeless and without food on the streets? Explain that to me. How will that help?