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reply posted on 26-3-2009 @ 07:41 AM by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Blanca Rose



I have been calling for this kind of action for years.

The community service idea you have is great.

It shouldn't be mandatory though, based on the 13th amendment:
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.


If there is someway to make it optional, highly encouraged, and provide incentives for it I think it would be great.





[edit on 26/3/09 by MikeboydUS]


reply posted on 26-3-2009 @ 07:42 AM by skeptic1
reply to post by aLiiEn



And, what does any of that have to do with drug testing people who receive state/tax-payer assistance?

They are no more and no less than people who have jobs that require random drug testing. Why should they be treated any differently?


reply posted on 26-3-2009 @ 07:44 AM by Blanca Rose
Originally posted by Freeborn
Whether Cannabis shoud be legalised and then controlled like alcohol is an arguement for another time or place.


How is this relevant? How can people who get benefits on the government payroll, afford this anyway? For them to have traces of such things in their system, should preclude them from getting anything!

Of course if someone uses a little bit of weed then they should be restricted from performing certain jobs / duties, whilst under the infuence, if not under the influence then I personally don't see where the problem is.
Alas, as previously stated, that arguement is for another time.


Alas, you brought it up, and in my opinion, since we all have one, is that they should get nothing if they test positive. I don't do drugs, so why should somebody getting tax dollars from me be allowed to?

The whole benefit system needs reviewing, however, you advocate limiting benefits for those that don't fit into your particular opinion of how people should live their lives.


If they are getting tax dollars from me, or any of my relatives, then, yes, I do feel they should have to fit into the norm of what tax payers consider normal for how people's lives should be lived.


IMO, therein lies the problem with the benefit system and the issue that should be addressed, not the imposition of restrictions of free will.


You are free to do whatever you want, nobody is stopping you. It is your choice, but you shouldn't be getting paid to do whatever you please, with MY money, or anybody elses!


reply posted on 26-3-2009 @ 07:49 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by skeptic1



Peope who are random drug tested at their workplace are done so as the effects of some drugs affects people's ability to perform certain duties / functions whilst in their place of work.
Pretty straight forward and understandable.
If those self same people use drugs in their personal / private life will it effect their ability to so the self same duties / functions?

If someone isn't working well the question is redundant.

It is the benefit system itself which allows people to abuse it that needs reviewing.
Nothing should be for nothing in this world.



reply posted on 26-3-2009 @ 07:52 AM by skeptic1
reply to post by Freeborn



Welfare isn't suppose to be a lifestyle.

If these people are receiving assistance, they should be out job hunting while on it. I'd say taking "illegal substances" would effect their ability to do that.

Yes, the system needs to be overhauled. But, the system doesn't need to be a safe haven for drug users, either. The taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill for their problem or their lifestyle.


reply posted on 26-3-2009 @ 07:58 AM by aLiiEn
Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to
post by aLiiEn



And, what does any of that have to do with drug testing people who receive state/tax-payer assistance?

They are no more and no less than people who have jobs that require random drug testing. Why should they be treated any differently?

Well it has alot to do with it.
You can read WHY it has something to do with it.
Or you can choose to deny it.
Im sure many people here will see the relevance in the content I posted.
I work with people who have no job.
And who have no home.
And I can assure you, plenty of people I see used to have ego's like yours.


reply posted on 26-3-2009 @ 08:02 AM by skeptic1
reply to post by aLiiEn



I have an ego because I have no problem with meeting the terms of my job, which I am happy to have, and see no problem with random drug tests for people on the public dole?

Gee......I learn something new every day around here.

People from all walks of life are on public assistance. Some are on it due to hard times. Some are on it due to injury or disability. Some are on it just because they want to be. Some are on it because they can be.

Welfare is not a lifestyle. It shouldn't come without restrictions and rules. Drug testing should be one of those rules.


reply posted on 26-3-2009 @ 08:03 AM by skeptic1
reply to post by aLiiEn



Recreational drug use is not a medical problem, and if welfare recipients are using tax-payer money to buy drugs, that is a public problem, not a private one.


reply posted on 26-3-2009 @ 08:04 AM by Highground
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to
post by skeptic1



Peope who are random drug tested at their workplace are done so as the effects of some drugs affects people's ability to perform certain duties / functions whilst in their place of work.
Pretty straight forward and understandable.
If those self same people use drugs in their personal / private life will it effect their ability to so the self same duties / functions?

If someone isn't working well the question is redundant.

It is the benefit system itself which allows people to abuse it that needs reviewing.
Nothing should be for nothing in this world.


You say this based off of the presumption that weed should be legalised, that alcohol is just as bad, the stereotypical "legalise pot" point of view. However, this is government money. This is taxpayer money. The government says that drug usage is illegal, they list illegal drugs, and in order to receive their money, you play by their rules. Not too unfair, I don't think. Felons aren't allowed to receive welfare money, except in a few rare instances. There are exclusion factors based on criminal offenses, and I don't see why this cannot be one of them. I'd rather know for certain that my tax money is going towards a person who actually is trying to get a job to support a family, rather than leeching off the system to supplement a drug habit.

edit: Also, a compulsory serve-for-money program would not violate the 13th amendment, as it is not mandatory that they apply for welfare. There is no obligation for the government to provide welfare, nor is there an obligation for anyone to sign up for it.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Highground]



reply posted on 26-3-2009 @ 08:10 AM by Stormdancer777
reply to post by aLiiEn





Lets start drug testing Politicians and Police officers as well?
Or do you only get drug tested, based upon how you are judged and discriminated against by the wealthy elite pieces of garbage?


I agree with you there, my son who was a dish washer had to be drug tested but Dr. don't?

and i know about Doctors and drugs,

and politicians, they should be on the top of the list.
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