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Originally posted by 27jd
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Where does it say I cannot judge others? Or are you going to give me the old thou shalt not judge lest you be judged and not finish the rest of that verse where it talks about people like you who judge us and do so while speaking of the God you say you follow?
I don't "follow" any god. My god doesn't need to "lead" me anywhere, i use the term god because it's easy to type. I believe there is more to the universe, and I KNOW that mankind has NO clue what drives this universe, not now, and especially not that far back in history. No man can "talk" to god, i "feel" higher power and i have no use for another man's idea of what that higher power DEMANDS we do.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
Originally posted by jd140
The child maybe unwanted by the mother, but there are many out there who would love to adopt a newborn. If there is not a health risk to the mother what is the harm in adoption?
LOL! You're kidding, right? Sure, there are plenty that want WHITE - BLUE EYED - BLOND - FULLY FORMED babies.
Have you looked at the gazillions of NON-WHITE babies out there awaiting adoption? THEY are not being adopted except at a very slow pace...MUCH slower than they are being born at.
Originally posted by Krahzeef
Noone's going to win this argument.
All we can do is thank the good lord that there are options out there.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
My mistake I did not realize that when you talk about God, you are referring to YOU. I just go to ask, how does it feel? You know,,,
being perfect and all
Originally posted by jasonjnelson
Why is it that you would use death, or human suffering, to highlight your belief that one doesn't exist?
Most of those who follow religion would agree that our bodies are just vessels, and that we have a bigger place, with more lessons I'm sure, to move on to.
I mean, sometimes it takes rain to appreciate sunshine.
Originally posted by Layla
No. *I* did not give the example. Someone ELSE gave that example. I responded to it.
Wow, really? And living through the trauma of carrying twins would be better? Or risking her own death to birth those twins would have been better? Or HAVING twins only to have them taken away would be better? Because a nine year old with a child's mind could very well think she wanted her babies, and they'd be ripped away from her and adopted out, and she'd live with that forever. You see, there was NO happy ending to that story. NONE. If she was FORCED to have those babies, and she died from the bodily stress of carrying twins, I'd call the people who FORCED her to do it murderers, personally
I have said more than once that I think abortion is murder. I have not tried to condone it, or make excuses for it. Not once. I simply resonded to someone else's post about the nine year old.
You're right, I am a sinner, just like everyone else. The difference though is that I know my sins will be dealt with in front of God, as will yours, and I won't sit and judge you, or condemn you, or belittle you or your belief system. I will not call names, nor will I throw out insults. Because, as a Christian I try to treat all people with respect and dignity, because it is not my job to punish, but God's.
Originally posted by jasonjnelson
I am using the death depicted to show what I believe most people who support Abortion never take the time to see.
The other argument you mentioned is off-topic, but I would gladly get into my views on the subject at any other place.
If you want, we can even have a debate on the issue
Originally posted by Heike
Here's the thing.
If abortion is legal, individuals, doctors, institutions, and insurance companies can still choose not to perform abortions. If you want to pass a law that says federal tax money can't be used to fund abortions, I'll go along with that. Insurance companies can refuse to pay for abortions which aren't medically necessary and don't have extenuating circumstances. Doctors and counselors and ministers can educate people, and birth control at the front end instead of abortion at the back end can be promoted with zeal.
If abortion is illegal, there are no choices. The only abortions which will be performed will be the ones in which the mother, or mother and baby both, would die if it weren't performed.
Then the raped teenagers, mentally challenged women who somehow managed to get pregnant, drug addicts, rape victims, incest victims, and assorted extreme cases will be forced to carry and birth their babies regardless, and they and us (as taxpayers) will be forced to pay for the children, and in some cases care for both mother and child for life. Damaged or non-viable fetuses, or fetuses carrying horrible birth defects, will have to be carried to term and cared for.
No choices.
No abortions, unless to save the mother's life.
Why not focus on education and prevention but leave abortion legal instead of campaigning to make it against the law again and take away everyone's choices and possibilities?
Thanks for listening.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
You know how to know we have not punished anyone? BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL ARGUING THIS WITH US!