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Now as I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them. As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl. And the four had the same likeness, their appearance and construction being as it were a wheel within a wheel. When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went. ... And when the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them' and when the living creatures rose from the earth, the wheels rose. ... for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. Ezekiel 1.15-17, 19, 21e [ESV]
And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness, but each had four faces and each of them had four wings. Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the sole of a calf's foot. and the sparkled like burnished bronze. Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. ... As for the likeness of their faces, each had a human face. The four had the face of a lion on the right side, the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and the four had the face of an eagle. Ezekiel 1.5-8a, 11 [ESV]
And as still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2 Kings 2.11 [ESV]
And the four had the same likeness, their appearance and construction being as it were a wheel within a wheel. When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went. Ezekiel 1.16-17 [ESV]
Originally posted by esteay812
reply to post by octotom
It almost seems that they are riding in some type of vehicle with wheels that don't turn. And the vehicle has a way to fly. Also, and I can't remember where, I read that the being or angel had four faces. I am having a hard time putting that into a visual as well. I just seems that when you talk to the everyday layman about such things, they always use Ezekiel's experience of a Wheel Within a Wheel to convey their belief that UFO's are described in the bible. I just have never seen a picture or rendering of a UFO that resembles a wheel within a wheel. Maybe I am looking at it wrong, or thinking of it wrong.
[edit on 25-3-2009 by esteay812]
I would tend to agree with you on your interpretation. It appears there are a few things going on at the same.
Originally posted by ahnggk
reply to post by esteay812
A Gyroscope or...
A flying saucer using wheel landing gears like those used by our aircraft. Remember the Nazi flying saucer 'Flugelrad'? Which means 'flying wheel' in English.
Some flying saucer mechanisms have contra-rotating disc plates, one within each other or on top which could appear like a 'wheel within a wheel'..
But I'm not sure
[edit on 26-3-2009 by ahnggk]
Anyone care to guess what was in that "roll"?
1: Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
2: So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
3: And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.
I believe I understand the concept you reference. The symbolism is there, the king over a thrown, and the hoof of an animal. But this self reflection was forced upon him in a unrealistic manner, not to mention, with a covert agenda, the destruction of Israel.
Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
Wheel in a wheel is a fractal..
its basicly saying we are a wheel. and the universe is a wheel..
I have like you pondered about this only to come to the conclution that he is talking about the self reflection of ones being alive and the creature he is talking about is infact us lot. the other part of it is him taking about the understanding or knowladge he was given about this from "oh yes" an alien..
lots of riddles but ask yourself this a wheel in a wheel is what? its a symmerty of something as both are the same but reside in each other
we are the wheel