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Senate Democrats to Scrap Obama's Tax Rebate

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posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 01:59 AM
Ill post the excerpt here, just curious as how to the people who elected Obama into office now feel after he starts pulling back more and more of the things he promised the voters.

This just reaffirms the fact that the guy and his cronies arent the change everyone hoped for, hes just another politician....and before you say its not HIS fault...keep in mind that he was voted president and hes the one who jammed the house packed full of democrats.......just stating some facts here....


WASHINGTON -- A top Democrat in the Senate announced a budget blueprint Tuesday that would scrap Barack Obama's signature tax cut after 2010 and blends sleight of hand with modest restraint on domestic programs to cut the deficit to sustainable levels.

Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., promises to reduce the deficit from a projected $1.7 trillion this year to a still-high $508 billion in 2014. But to do so, he assumes Congress will let Obama's "Making Work Pay" tax credit delivering $400 tax cuts to most workers and $800 to couples will expire at the end of next year. Those tax cuts were included in Obama's stimulus package.

Conrad, D-N.D., who has for decades sought to highlight the dangers of permanent deficits and rising government debt, produced a budget plan bristling with both -- even after proposing to require wealthier taxpayers to pay higher rates income and capital gains.

But Democrats point out that Obama inherited an unprecedented fiscal mess caused by the recession and the taxpayer-financed bailout of Wall St. Rather than retrenching, however, they still promise to award big budget increases to education and clean energy programs, while assuming Obama's plans to overhaul the U.S. health care system advance.

The White House responded warmly to Conrad's plan, noting it embraced Obama's plans to boost spending on education and clean energy programs and allow for an overhaul of the U.S. health care system while sharply cutting back the deficit inherited by Obama.

On the $400-$800 tax credits, White House budget director Peter Orszag noted that it will be in place for two years, giving the administration and Congress time to find ways to extend it.

It's also becoming clear that Obama's controversial global warming initiative has experienced a setback as neither House nor Senate Democrats are directly incorporating Obama's controversial "cap-and-trade" initiative into their budget plans. The developments come on the eve of debate in the House and Senate budget committees as they take the first steps to pass Obama's $3.6 trillion budget plan for the fiscal year starting in October.

House Budget Committee Chairman John Spratt Jr., D-S.C., will unveil his companion plan Wednesday.

Obama's budget has ignited a firestorm on Capitol Hill, with Republicans assaulting it over record spending and budget deficits, while many Democrats remain wary of his plans to combat global warming and have sticker shock over his deficit figures.

Obama is coming to appear before Senate Democrats at lunchtime Wednesday to promote his plan.

"It puts us on the path over 10 years for a very different kind of country, one with less freedom, one with more government, one with this extraordinary debt, and one which our children will have a very difficult time affording," said Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.

Conrad's plan was released in the wake of new budget estimates that predicted Obama's plan would produce alarming estimates of red ink -- $9.3 trillion over 10 years and $2.3 trillion more than estimated by the White House just last month. Those estimates made his task significantly more difficult.

"When you lose $2.3 trillion, you have to pay for things. You have to cut things," Conrad said.

Conrad said his budget makes room for Obama's hopes to deliver health care to the uninsured. He said the plan would not add to the deficit over the long haul but that early up-front costs would be permitted.

In the House, the health care overhaul could advance under special rules that could effectively cut Republicans out of the debate by preventing the possibility of a Senate filibuster. Conrad and others like Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., disagree with the approach, saying that health care is too complicated to pass after just a 20-hour debate in the Senate.

In grappling with the deficit, Conrad would cut Obama's proposed increases for next year for domestic agencies funded by lawmakers to growth of about $27 billion, or 6 percent.

But Conrad also makes several shaky assumptions, especially that Congress will raise taxes by more than $114 billion over 2013-14 to make sure middle-class taxpayers won't get hit by the alternative minimum tax. He also saves $87 billion by promising Congress will come up with spending cuts or new revenues to avoid cuts in Medicare payments to doctors.

Both problems have been fixed in recent years by using deficit dollars.

Under Congress' arcane procedures, the annual congressional budget resolution is a nonbinding measure that sets the terms for follow-up legislation.

The congressional budget plan also determines how much money to use for defense programs and domestic programs whose budgets are set each year by Congress, and it sets out the fiscal priorities of the governing party in Congress.

Obama's plan to combat global warming would impose higher energy costs on consumers and businesses through a so-called "cap-and-trade" system for auctioning permits to emit greenhouse gases. But so many Democrats have recoiled at the plan -- which would sharply raise energy costs for consumers and businesses -- that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and other environmentalists were forced to step back.

Neither budget includes Obama's $250 billion set-aside for more bailouts of banks and other firms.

posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 02:28 AM
I think some democrats are hearing from the voters and backpedaling in the hope that the people will not vote them out in two years.

As long as we keep scaring them maybe they will not vote to spead anymore money then they have to.

They know they may become as disliked as Bush quickly if something goes wrong or the voters think they are being taken to the cleaner.

posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 03:54 AM
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

my first reaction was kind of like...
hey, these guys think that they will be able to hold things together till after 2010......delusional....

but, as far as scrapping obama's tax cuts after 2010...
kind of sounds like about the same thing as bush's tax cuts to the only lasts for so long, and then it reverts back to what it was before unless they deem it usefull to extend them, or make them permanant..

I'd just be about willing to bet that you will hear less belly aching over this than you are over the prospect of the tax cuts for the rich fading out.

our economy is in shambles, and it has taken years, if not decades to get us here. well, the piper is calling, they want us to pay some of these bills. I expect to have to take a hit...
do you?

what I don't expect is to have to give the piper my children to tax to death, just so the rich old men can retain their wealth!

[edit on 25-3-2009 by dawnstar]

[edit on 25-3-2009 by dawnstar]

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