Police seek laws to ban all Biker Gangs

I wish they would ban gangs especially here in NZ.I think by reading a few of the replies some of you don't actually live in a gang community or see gangs everyday all day.If you did you would want all measures taken to get rid of them too.And lets get real we all know who are gangs and who are legit clubs that's just a B.S p.c cop out using that excuse.
Trust me if you had shootings and fights in your neighbourhood/town you would want them banned, but when your safe and out of harms distance its easy to sympathize with not banning them.
Wow i shouldn't have read this thread i could rant all day but when its close to home(literally) you develop passion for eradicating them.

Have a bit of a closer look, and read into this.
It was a Lebanese gang that attacked the Hells Angels getting off the plane.
Lebanese now are starting there own Biker gangs in Sydney it would seem.
Apparently called Notorious MC and some chapter of the Comanchero which is primarily made up of Lebanese.
Look at the men's names who were arrested
Ismail Erden (26), Maher Aouli (28), Pomare Pirini (21) and Zoran Kisacanin (22)

www.brisbanetimes.com.au...

"They are viewed as gangsters putting colours on their backs as some sort of camouflage [to make people think they are bikies]."

Originally posted by jd140
I don't see the big deal about these guys. A few may deal drugs and weapons to each other within the club, but unless you disrespect them they pretty much won't bother you.

That's right. Bikies aren't a threat to you unless you owe them money or disrespect them. They're no different then most other businessmen, but they don't hide it by wearing suits.

EDIT: I should have also added "dob them in" to the list.

"He said Victoria would oppose a planned national dob-in-a-bikie campaign, because innocent people could be caught up in the action."

That's right, people! You can now arrange to have your own head kicked in over the phone!

[edit on 25/3/09 by NuclearPaul]

Is there really any difference between the biker gangs and what they do and plain gangs-blood/cripts...........

They all murder and cause nothing but trouble.

For the point, There is a BIG difference between a group of people riding motorcycles and biker gangs like hells angles and so on.

reply to post by Azador


Hey, I sympathize. I moved far away from an area overrun by organized crime from the neighborhood teens shooting one another to the mafioso politicians who tax for fun and profit.

Just explain something to me: how would a law banning gangs prevent any of the things you dislike? I mean, there are already laws regarding assault, battery, murder, theft, vandalism, etc... and none of them seem to be doing any good. Explain why an individual or a group that cares nothing of these laws is supposed to care suddenly about one more law?

Some proponent of these idiotic bans please explain this to me.

well.......

This is my take on it.

If they make all biker gangs illegal, they can arrest anyone flying their colors.

This includes their leader as well as underlings.

I think it is just a way to allow the "police" to deal with them on site as opposed to waiting to "catch them" committing a criminal act.

It is one thing to know someone does/did something.

It is a very different thing to be able to prove it in a court of law.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
well.......

This is my take on it.

If they make all biker gangs illegal, they can arrest anyone flying their colors.

This includes their leader as well as underlings.

Yeah, they tried that in the states decades ago. The gang members just turned their "colors" into plain white t-shirts and blue jeans. After harassing an infinite number of non-gang members the municipalities just dropped it.

Then what do you do about the gang members who think that being harassed or arrested are good things. Unless you're prepared to lock them up for life or dump them into the ocean they just get out more aggressive and emboldened having their time in jail justify their pitiful existence.

Besides all of that you don't need a "ban" to go after individuals fitting a profile. Unless you're state, town, country has some problem with "profiling" as a matter of bleeding-heart policy.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Well......

They could always promise to mix gangs in the jail cells.

That would start to eliminate biker gang members slowly, but surely.

reply to post by mrmonsoon


I'll agree with that.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
Id like to see the airport security made accountable for the detah of the bokers brother last sunday.

how hard is it to put a few rounds into the air to disperse the WEAK COWARDS who think that 15 against one or two is a fair fight, especially when they are beating the head in of one of them with steel bollards.

nobody went in to help.

why didnt the air hostesses contact police at the first sign of trouble while they were still onboard to have an armed police escort off the airport premises?

if they banned them, I couldnt care less.'

In my books they are all scum who run drugs all over the country and deal with illegal weapons.

to hell with them.

They run and sell drugs mainly for themselves. They acquire the illegal guns and keep them within the club, so that they know a rival gang won't get ahold of it.

You talk how nobody did anything, I wonder what you would have done. You will probably type up some good he man macho stuff, but be honest and ask yourself what you would have done.

Would you put yourself in harms way and possibly die?

or

Would you try and call the police while getting away from the scene as fast as possible, maybe taking a few pics for the police as you get away?

The real point of this is to make it easier to define gang activity and have a better and broader set of legal tools FOR THE REST OF US to deal with it.

Ignoring that gang/mob activity is different than individualized crime is retarded.

The gangs don't follow the law, but the rest of us do. And we expect the law enforcement to do so as well. Currently the letter of the law is helping these gangs become worse. You need to unshackle some of the unneeded, or illogical parts of the law to give enforcement a realistic chance to deal with them.

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Ban them and you will be seeing waca style events at the HQ's of these groups.
If you have seen the bikie HQ near Kew in Melbourne you know what I mean, that is one very highly fortified house.

Originally posted by TheKingsVillian
Ban them and you will be seeing waca style events at the HQ's of these groups.
If you have seen the bikie HQ near Kew in Melbourne you know what I mean, that is one very highly fortified house.

Do you mean Waco?
2nd line

I am sure that the law enforcement are aware of how fortified club houses are. It isn't exactly new information.

Yes, Waco is what I meant to spell.

Could'nt find the edit button.

Originally posted by nerbot
Some of the Hells Angels are actually quite smart and would find a legal loophole to evade this I'm sure.

Congratulations on your prophesy. It was correct.

The bikies challenged these "tough new laws" in the High Court and they were ruled unconstitutional.

www.adelaidenow.com.au...

That's one kick in the nuts for the New World Order.

The lawmakers have broken the law.

Originally posted by Aeons
The gangs don't follow the law, but the rest of us do.

The State Government of South Australia has just been busted not following the law. But then again, I guess they're a gang themselves.

By the way, it's not just gangs that break the law. Sometimes even individuals do.