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Germany and EU to Legalise Paedophilia ?

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posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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Thank you for your input.
Could you please point out what bits of information are relevant to this discussion in the link you provided ?




posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 10:37 AM
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Just to point out that for some people it is an ongoing "battle" to get Paedophilia legalised.



A new political party has seen the light in The Netherlands. The PNVD openly propogates sex with minors. A free hand for peadophiliacs in Holland?
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The PNVD party advocates legalizing sex between adults and children above the age of 12 and legalize child pornography and sex with animals. Moreover, “the age of 12 is just a compromise”, one of the PNVD founders admitted in the Dutch news program “Netwerk”, our ultimate goal is to lower the legal age to 0 but we take small steps..” This pedophile agenda of the PNVD resulted in heavy resistance against their ideas in the Netherlands.
www.socyberty.com...




A political party with a paedophile agenda has been registered in The Netherlands, prompting outrage among many parts of society.
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The party plans to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and for legalisation of child pornography and sex with animals.
news.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by jaamaan
reply to post by smallpeeps
 


Thank you for your input.
Could you please point out what bits of information are relevant to this discussion in the link you provided ?


No, because this discussion and any attempt to have it on ATS, are simply non-functioning propaganda and won't lead anywhere except to the planned destination. Do you feel you are accomplishing something here which will help children? Because, you aren't.

This subject is such a pathetically easy flag for pogroms and human stupidity that I can't somache any partitipation in it until the parties involved all come to terms with their own sexuality. If YOU want to read the link I posted, secure.__._ and find what informaton I am referring to, and then if you want to read it and get smarter about what questions are being discussed among Germans, then go read it. Or just keep doing whatever you are doing here.

Nobody on this thread is discussing the real issues, and so why would I participate? I'm injecting truth into a room of people chattering about being either disgusted, angry or confused but with little idea about what to do and what the real issues are. That includes you.



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps

Originally posted by jaamaan
reply to post by smallpeeps
 


Thank you for your input.
Could you please point out what bits of information are relevant to this discussion in the link you provided ?


No, because this discussion and any attempt to have it on ATS, are simply non-functioning propaganda and won't lead anywhere except to the planned destination. Do you feel you are accomplishing something here which will help children? Because, you aren't.


Would you care to explain why it just wont help ?


Originally posted by smallpeeps
If YOU want to read the link I posted, secure.__._ and find what informaton I am referring to, and then if you want to read it and get smarter about what questions are being discussed among Germans, then go read it. Or just keep doing whatever you are doing here.


I do want to see what you are refering to but all i see are a lot more links with the link you provided.


Originally posted by smallpeeps
Nobody on this thread is discussing the real issues, and so why would I participate? I'm injecting truth into a room of people chattering about being either disgusted, angry or confused but with little idea about what to do and what the real issues are. That includes you.


So please point out what the "real issues" are than.
Else it gives me the impression that you just joined in on the "chattering"

From your first post in this thread i got the impression that you might have some things constructive to say about the cultural differences that might be there in the world concerning this subject and i woul dbe very interested to hear some of those.



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:02 AM
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The publication of such a thing does show that there is a gaining acceptance and promotion. That there was enough blow back still from the population that it was pulled also says something about the population.

Washing up children isn't hard. Do children's nervous systems work? Yes. They can feel it. So what? It doesn't have anything to do with sex. You don't need to pay some sort of special attention. Frankly, if you are spending more time on their gentials than their ears or between their toes, you're probably a sicko. It isn't impossible to clean children without getting sexually excited.

Here is the final analysis for you. Children aren't property. They are people who are developing into adults. They have rights to their body, mind and the right to the integrity of their body and mind. They have the right to determine their sexuality for themselves. Anything you impose on them in that way is a violation of their right to self-determination when they come into themselvles.

Your only role should be to set realistic boundaries for the exploration of that emerging sensual self so that your family, and they can function in a respectful manner. (read - Johnny, the living room is not a good place for that. Please go to your room.)

PARTICIPATING in their sexual emergence is a clear violation of the adult-child authority and power differential.

[edit on 2009/3/25 by Aeons]



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by smallpeeps
 


What?
Washing a child and masturbating a child are COMPLETELY different!
Good touch/Bad touch, get it?
If you don't know that, then............

Are you a pedophile?!!
[edit on 25-3-2009 by Clearskies]


Uh, you had to EDIT that post?

What I am, is an adult, screwed up by religion. In this way, I am like a lot of Germans.

As for which touch is a bad touch, that is for the parents to decide. I am a fan of parents retaining the right to screw up their kids, as opposed to the alternative which is for Plato or "The State Parent", to screw them up.

This thread is about the EU State that wants to protect children in the wrong way, yeah? And so the alternative would be what, exactly? A US State that wants to protect children in the right way? So the answer is clear: As long as the parents have fewer rights, all will be fine.

But if you want to actually have a discussion about this, then let's start with everone's favorite Muslim Entertainer: Michael Jackson. Why do you need me to post anymore in this thread when the issues which will be crashing right into your skulls in the next few years are all out there ready for the talking. My earlier post is sufficient.

As for myself, when I was a kid, I was sexual. I was always hunting through dumpsters for pr0n because I lived in the same religious vacuum as so many people all over the world. That's all I know. I don't remember being vicitmized as a child but perhaps it did happen? How else can one explain sexuality in children? I DO know that I grew up in America around standard adults who were sexually-predatorial-and-barely-veiled Americans (same as all global Protestants methinks) and I did know many victims of sexual abuse who were being abused, regularly, by church authorities who did nothing and who are stil, doing nothing.

The church and state work together, in some cases, or so I have heard?

Europe seems so very Christian, but the US is like a "living fossil" (to borrow a term from Russian writer) in the same context. Puritanism always has the same stench be it German, Dutch or whatever. Point is: Humans were sexually screwed up in the 1960s also, before hating naked kids ever became the big global demon to rally around.



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by jaamaan

Did you see the word "suppose" ? in the same line as "is" ?

Could you maybe clearly show me this supposed "non substantiated speculation".


Yes... YOU suppose.. ie. you assumed that Pedophilia was to be legalized in the EU.. where I live.
I originally replied before you inserted the question mark in your title.

Unsubstantiated = EU to legalize pedophilia. This is completely unsubstantiated.

Am I going too fast for you here?



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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What are we supposed to be looking for on that link?
Are you pro-molestation or con?



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
Washing up children isn't hard. Do children's nervous systems work? Yes. They can feel it. So what? It doesn't have anything to do with sex. You don't need to pay some sort of special attention. Frankly, if you are spending more time on their gentials than their ears or between their toes, you're probably a sicko. It isn't impossible to clean children without getting sexually excited.

Here is the final analysis for you. Children aren't property. They are people who are developing into adults. They have rights to their body, mind and the right to the integrity of their body and mind. They have the right to determine their sexuality for themselves. Anything you impose on them in that way is a violation of their right to self-determination when they come into themselvles.


Yes very good points raised.
These booklets promoted that you would actively stimulate the sexual organs of your children from a very early age on.
And i believe that that would voialate their "right to self-determination ".



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:19 AM
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To answer the question then - Yes, he is semi-veiled pedophile who has a story in his head that HE isn't to blame for it. Protestants are.



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by jaamaan

Originally posted by Aeons
Washing up children isn't hard. Do children's nervous systems work? Yes. They can feel it. So what? It doesn't have anything to do with sex. You don't need to pay some sort of special attention. Frankly, if you are spending more time on their gentials than their ears or between their toes, you're probably a sicko. It isn't impossible to clean children without getting sexually excited.

Here is the final analysis for you. Children aren't property. They are people who are developing into adults. They have rights to their body, mind and the right to the integrity of their body and mind. They have the right to determine their sexuality for themselves. Anything you impose on them in that way is a violation of their right to self-determination when they come into themselvles.


Yes very good points raised.
These booklets promoted that you would actively stimulate the sexual organs of your children from a very early age on.
And i believe that that would voialate their "right to self-determination ".


Yes, it would.



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by Dermo

Originally posted by jaamaan

Did you see the word "suppose" ? in the same line as "is" ?

Could you maybe clearly show me this supposed "non substantiated speculation".


Yes... YOU suppose.. ie. you assumed that Pedophilia was to be legalized in the EU.. where I live.
I originally replied before you inserted the question mark in your title.

Unsubstantiated = EU to legalize pedophilia. This is completely unsubstantiated.

Am I going too fast for you here?


I think i get most of what you are saying.
I forgot that your post made me put the question mark in the title.
The thread title was clearly explained in several posts i think.

Are you ready to comment on the actual content ?



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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Also, I edited my post to include "Good touch/Bad touch" for clarity.
In case you didn't understand.
I believe in parental rights, but not at the expense of the child's mental or physical being.
I will try to find the link where the US psychiatrists got together and came up with a 'study' on how molestation could be good for children.
It was pulled in the 90's and I think an apology ensued!



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by smallpeeps
 


To answer the question then - Yes, he is semi-veiled pedophile who has a story in his head that HE isn't to blame for it. Protestants are.



I did get some, muslims stand above this mess that christians made for themselves, type of message.
But i would rather find out what this might be based on and discuss it rather than calling one and other a "semi-veiled pedophile".



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:32 AM
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Hey, Jaaman.
This is an interesting thread about the UK! Here
Scroll down a little and you can see my link to the American Psychological Association study.



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by smallpeeps
 


Also, I edited my post to include "Good touch/Bad touch" for clarity.
In case you didn't understand.
I believe in parental rights, but not at the expense of the child's mental or physical being.
I will try to find the link where the US psychiatrists got together and came up with a 'study' on how molestation could be good for children.
It was pulled in the 90's and I think an apology ensued!


I found a website mentioning a lot of the studies you are pointing out.

sample:


The 2/4/1994 Human Events reported the United Nations moved to provide funds and legitimacy to the homosexual agenda when the U.N. Economic and Social Council bestowed official consultant status on the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) and is part of the U.N. Right's of the Child movement. ILGA is an umbrella group that includes the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) whose slogan is" Sex By Eight or It's Too Late.
www.newswithviews.com...


There is a lot more information there trying to point out a "paedophile agenda" in politics and social study groups.



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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Wait a minute.
Michael Jackson is a muslim???



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by jaamaan

Originally posted by Aeons
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To answer the question then - Yes, he is semi-veiled pedophile who has a story in his head that HE isn't to blame for it. Protestants are.



I did get some, muslims stand above this mess that christians made for themselves, type of message.
But i would rather find out what this might be based on and discuss it rather than calling one and other a "semi-veiled pedophile".



Somtimes a cigar is just a cigar. Even if you don't want to name it.



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Clearskies
Wait a minute.
Michael Jackson is a muslim???


He converted. Again.



posted on Mar, 25 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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He is pretty mentally messed up.
I partly think it was disney/pedophilia and MKultra abuse!
Seriously!



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