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Obama set to unveil Mexico border drugs/guns plan

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posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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Chart comparing dangers of popular drugs; alcohol is easily a hard drug comparable to drugs like coc aine while cannabis is a much softer drug.



Expanding the drug war even more to fight cannabis is clearly moronic. Thus, this plan by Obama is just another way to chip away at what should be our right to choose what we put in our own bodies instead of having the government forcefully monitor our lives and health for us.

If you disagree, you, like most Americans, are probably overweight. Let's see how you feel when the government threatens to put you in jail for half of your diet and forcefully puts you on a weight loss program 'for your own good'.

Ironically, being overweight is more dangerous to your health than vaporizing cannabis everyday.

I bring up cannabis as the main point because it's the main export (around 80% of their revenue I remember reading) of the drug cartels this plan is aimed at.


[edit on 3/24/09 by RedDragon]




posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 12:16 PM
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o they want to ban guns so no one can sell mexican's our guns? Makes no sense at all.

These gun dealers don't follow the rules anyways if we ban assault weapons they will still deal them anyways because .......They don't follow the rules or laws anyways.

That is like making booze illegal so we can't export it. IT will still be exported.

These people are idiots....and i was/am for the obama administration but i don't think it is them calling the shots.

Obviously there is an international collaboration going on. Look at the stuff nobody talks about in the media and it all has to do with international deals.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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I think what is going to happen is as the market goes further down the toilet, the big companies that influenced legislation by "donating" to our politicians are not going to be able to afford what it will cost to keep the war on drugs going. They have other black holes to dump money into right now, and I think as a result we're going to see alot more mainstream debate about legalization because they can no longer afford to keep everybody quiet. I think this economic crisis may turn out to be a very good thing, the real bad guys are going broke.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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edit: double post

[edit on 24-3-2009 by 27jd]



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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I agree with legalising SOME drugs.

Alcohol kills so many people every year, but if you have a regulated cannabis industry, you create tax dollars from a previously 'black economy'.

The question is, would you trust the Government to regulate properly AND, would you affect the crime rates if drug lords were arginalised out of their industry?? ALso would WE trust companies not to do what the tobacco industry did for years and lie about the consequences of their altered products?!?! Probably not!

What about healthcare implications (INCREASED DEMAND??).. it would put money into the coffers (naitonal debt, anyone??) but at the same time take away, eventually in the form of hooked smokers never kicking the habit. In time, and recession recovery permitting, it should help kickstart and enable a self-sustaining public healthcare scheme...



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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Big issue with legalizing marijuana then taxing it is this. It is very easy to grow, its a weed. Unless the government or whoever puts out a high quality product at a affordable price people will just cultivate it themselves. Thus creating a grey area, IMO one of main reason it is not legal allready. It keeps cash flowing in the local courts with minor possesion charges.

Legalizing hard drugs I don't agree with, maybe programs for hardcore heroin addicts like some other countries in Europe. However crack/coke, MDMA, meth, lsd, pcp all need to be off our streets and enforced by the police. Let marijuana alone and concentrate on more detremental to society illicite drugs.

[edit on 24-3-2009 by Starwatcher]



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 12:39 PM
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Then i guess you are of the belief that alcohol should not be freely available either, as it falls into the same category. The same way that they realized that prohibition was doing more harm than good, they need to realize that this so called war on drugs does more harm then good.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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Good point. I wonder if we legalized all drugs the Mexican Mafia would then start protesting.

They would all go bust. They’d then probably switch fields of work like you say and head other illegal market demands.

Regardless there will always be good and evil in the world. Obama cant fix that with any bill.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
o they want to ban guns so no one can sell mexican's our guns? Makes no sense at all.

These gun dealers don't follow the rules anyways if we ban assault weapons they will still deal them anyways because .......They don't follow the rules or laws anyways.

That is like making booze illegal so we can't export it. IT will still be exported.

These people are idiots....and i was/am for the obama administration but i don't think it is them calling the shots.

Obviously there is an international collaboration going on. Look at the stuff nobody talks about in the media and it all has to do with international deals.


This is something you do not understand. BATFE tracks every dealer sale, whether new or used. BATFE regularly audits dealers and if they find discrepancies they are heavily fined or shut down.

The level of unconstitutional control exerted over the firearm industry is extreme.

There are many that believe the BATFE's heavy handed audits over the last 10 years are designed to eventually reduce the amount of dealers to basically zero. Or perhaps they are insuring their own existence by creating a revenue stream through fines.

Either way there are not dealers out there selling full auto weapons to anyone who wants them.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 01:07 PM
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It can all be linked to prohibition, every negative aspect of drug use.

Hard drugs are expensive because there's a monopoly on them. You're right though about everyone growing their own. But there would be a legitimate business market of high quality grow houses popping up. Thus defeating the monopoly, driving the price down, and thus it becomes like any other commodity.

www.answers.com...

South American Indians “chew” coca as a mild stimulant by placing dried leaves in the mouth and masticating with various alkalies such as lime or plant ashes to promote the release of the alkaloids, which are swallowed.


Problems arose when it was refined to its current form. But used in its natural state its no more harmful than caffeine.

People are so ignorant of our history. The declaration of independence was written on hemp paper. It used to be mandatory(as in illegal not to) grow hemp, for the war effort.

[edit on 24-3-2009 by djzombie]



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by bingmat
The question is, would you trust the Government to regulate properly AND, would you affect the crime rates if drug lords were arginalised out of their industry??


They would just stop getting money. Who would they direct their violence towards?? Their empires would just crumble as they could no longer afford to keep their army.



ALso would WE trust companies not to do what the tobacco industry did for years and lie about the consequences of their altered products?!?! Probably not!


If they altered the product, they would not stay in business i suspect. I think the main demographic would demand it remain natural.



What about healthcare implications (INCREASED DEMAND??).. it would put money into the coffers (naitonal debt, anyone??) but at the same time take away, eventually in the form of hooked smokers never kicking the habit.


Are you talking about cigarettes? They are legal...



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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How is legalizing drugs going to stop the drug trade???

By legalizing narcotics all you are doing is letting the drug dealers on the street sell their drugs without risk of arrest. Do you honestly believe that drug cartels are going to sell their drugs to private companies in the U.S??? If their is a tax on narcotic drugs, do you believe that the drug cartels are going to pay an import tax on it????



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Starwatcher
Big issue with legalizing marijuana then taxing it is this. It is very easy to grow, its a weed. Unless the government or whoever puts out a high quality product at a affordable price people will just cultivate it themselves.


There's also the option of tax stamps for possession of a certain amount, this was actually passed by voters here in AZ, but the government of course overrode the decision and said the voters were just confused, lol.



Legalizing hard drugs I don't agree with, maybe programs for hardcore heroin addicts like some other countries in Europe. However crack/coke, MDMA, meth, lsd, pcp all need to be off our streets and enforced by the police. Let marijuana alone and concentrate on more detremental to society illicite drugs.


I kind of agree, I don't think those harder drugs should be readily available, i think they should be heavily regulated, but personal possesion of those substances, when nobody else is in danger should not result in locking somebody up.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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Even MJ is not totally legal in Europe and Canada, get caught with above a certain amount and you can still be arrested. I also recall that about 3 years ago several RCMP officers were killed in a botched raid on an illegal MJ farm in Alberta ... but wait I thought if we legalized it that all the problems would vanish



As for this "plan", he just sent another handful of USBP agents to the border, only about 500 which wont even make a dent in a single patrol sector. We need like an entire US Army corps on the border to see an actual effect, the US Army should create a special border guard corps and get rid of the ineffective NYPD clones in green uniforms.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Why would ANYBODY want to purchase crap off the streets from the south, that has been in WHO KNOWS how many bloody, dirty hands, with who knows what kind of additives when they could purchase goods made here, in the US for probably less money, and actual regulation? Would you buy BEER out of a milk jug thats traveled from south america from some shady guy off the street, or would you prefer a nice, sealed and fresh 6 pack from a licensed vendor? I'd gladly even pay a little extra for the sealed 6 pack personally.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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I'm and american-mexican not "mexican -american" like everybody else calls themselves. American first, mexican second and I think that this has gotten way out of control and Obama needs to onion up and close the damn border untill we can figure out a solution to the drug war. Enough of this open border mentality. My entire fathers side of the family is from Yucatan mexico and guess what, they waited their turn in line and became U.S. citizens. They got all their papers in order and did it the right way.

I really don't feel for any illegal alien boo hoo story because what they don't realize is that they have jumped ahead of people who already are in line trying to come the U.S. legally. My solution to the problem is to build some kinda of barrier on the border, put the national guard there, and send back all the illegals with criminal records! Done and done..... For those already here, you give them a timeline, say 2 years. 2 years to get their papers inorder, pay some kind of fine for breaking the law, and then they can wait their turn to citizenship. In mean time issue them some kind of I.D. and temporary work card. If in those 2 years they haven't completed their papers and paid the fine then guess what, back you go. Easy, simple, even a moron like me can figure this out.

Too bad our government officials will NEVER have the onions to man up and say enough is enough. i've been to mexico many time during the summer and you know what? they honestly don't give a damn about the U.S. so why sould we give a damn about Mexico? In times of economic turmoil we need to put our citizens first, then worry about Mexico.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Trojanman_18
Too bad our government officials will NEVER have the onions to man up and say enough is enough. i've been to mexico many time during the summer and you know what? they honestly don't give a damn about the U.S. so why sould we give a damn about Mexico? In times of economic turmoil we need to put our citizens first, then worry about Mexico.


It's not about onion size, it's about money being made. If it gets to a point where the companies hiring illegals go under, and they stop lining legislative pockets with money cuz they don't have any more, the border will close.

We could probably pretty easily send the cartels deep underground and dampen their brazen attitudes real quick using drones and missile strikes, but once again, somebody in a high place is making too much money right now. So Obama will send way too little to actuallly do the job, on OUR side of the border. It will make NO dent, and if this isn't COMPLETELY staged on all sides, the cartels are actually merging to make "the federation", which sounds like a batman movie but i guess it's happening. So, they will be much more organized and probably much more brutal. The question is whether it's all just a show to push an agenda.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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According to this the plan does not affect gun laws and does not re-instate the assault weapons ban...

White House unveils plan to fight border drug cartels

Maybe its still to come, but its not included in the above announcment that I can see...



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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And 100% of illegal aliens and illegal drugs found in Arizona have been traced back to Mexico.

So how about THEY help US once in a while.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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