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reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 01:31 PM by InSpiteOf
reply to post by SpadeofAces


Currently, the internet is key to globalization and the expansion of Capital Business. The actual network infrastructure wont disappear, but the public access to it probably will. ISP's are constantly working at ways to filter our specific traffic types and packets at large. Total information control is not hard from a technical stand-point, just look at China.

I think its better phrased, "The Internet as we know it, will come to an end" And its the "Internet as we know it" that Rockefeller is referring too.


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 01:37 PM by v3_exceed
To a large degree, the internet is comprised of business' that are co located within link providing facilities. As one of these businesses' I have received zero information from the powers that be about censoring our clients.

I suspect that the core method of censoring that will become the norm will be Google blacklisting or blacklisting on other search engines. Through this means they will be able to approve or disapprove the individual sites.

The beauty of this is that a new uncensored search engine will undoubtedly surface and until it too is censored we will again have free flow of information.

Each of us, in our own can help make a difference by not utilizing the services of the really huge companies. When you host your stuff, at one of the huge companies, you further the control they have over their part of the internet. By supporting a smaller local company you keep the level of communication the PTB need to have to maintain some control far far more expensive and diverse.

There is a reason the huge companies are undercutting the local small isp or hosting provider. That is to starve them out. If the local company is allowed to starve, then when there is no more freedom of the internet, you can't really complain, because you could have made a difference.

I'm not saying this to try and convince anyone to utilize my company, just their own local providers.
In the case of a free internet, BIG company = BAD.

Thanks for reading.
..Ex


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 01:39 PM by InSpiteOf
reply to post by v3_exceed


If i could find a reliable cable net provider in my area i would gladly take it over rogers. But from my understanding, regardless of the company Rogers still owns the backbone.

Control the infrastructure, control the flow of information.

[edit on 23-3-2009 by InSpiteOf]


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 01:45 PM by reugen
reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Mr Rockefeller, a more severe THREAT to national security and the wellbeing of United States are the misbehaving banks and financial firms on Wall Street. I think he just fired a M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank in a greenhouse.


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 01:45 PM by InSpiteOf
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Many large companies not only control the software side of the internet, but also the lines, server racks, and processor banks required to run it. Like I said, Control the infrastructure, control the flow.


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 01:48 PM by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by InSpiteOf


Yeah but who really controls the infra structure? We do.

Does that Rockefeller know how to splice cable? I doubt it. They use us, our intelligence, our physical strength, and our technical know how to enslave ourselves. All we have to do is stop working against ourselves. This isnt a hopeless situation. Unless we let our feelings of hopelessness make us queue up and get in line.

These "elite" dont know how it works, cant create it, cant repair it. We do, we can. We just need to see where our own self interest lies. And it isnt with them. Unfortunately, humans are slow to see where their self interest does lie, until something happens which makes it crystal clear.

Again, they are utterly and completely dependent on us. We are not dependent at all on them. They are living off of us. We not only could easily live without them, we would live better.


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 01:48 PM by Albertarocks
reply to post by mike dangerously


There's absolutely no doubt about it! The Rockerfeller/Rothschild cabal is horrified by the internet.

The internet is just as powerful a weapon for the "free" people of the world as guns are... as long as the internet itself is "free". We have to make it abundantly clear to our ISPs that any attempt to start to censor the internet will be met with real trouble. It will start off with seemingly harmless, slow little steps just like all the other sneaky changes they have gotten us accustomed to (like taking vaccines full of live and harmful viruses that would have never otherwise gotten into your body). And like sheep, we just accept it! Well I sure as hell don't accept it. I personally simply don't let anybody stick a needle in me for any reason, ever... period.

In Canada there are three major internet providers, Telus, Rogers and Shaw. Telus and Rogers are openly admitting that they think internet censorship is a good idea and should be instituted "for the surfing safety of our children". Jesus, cut me some slack here!

On the other hand, as far as I know Shaw is not willing to participate in internet censorship. At least that's the word I got from a woman who works in their head office and knows the president of the company by casual conversation only. She says he's a straight up guy with huge morals and just isn't the type of guy to interfere with the public's freedom. But what's unknown, is how much freedom he has to stand solid in favor of the Canadian peoples' rights.

For obvious reasons, Shaw is my provider. If they're not yours... make the change and send a very powerful message to your current provider. Your freedom hangs in the balance.



reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 01:54 PM by InSpiteOf
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Thats a little reductionist, dont you think?

I mean, when you boil it down, you are correct. We build the racks, we lay the cable, we hit the enter key. But there is a strict system of control in place and enforced by many powerful (police, security, paramilitary) forces. If we could all rise up as one, then we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. But i think its pretty obvious there are many of us who would rather tow the party line than reject it.

I would love to see it happen, a truly free exchange of information and idea's. But under the current set-up, its doubtful.

Cudo's to you for your idealism though.


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 01:57 PM by sayiamu
reply to post by mybigunit



The straw that breaks the camels back indeed. We see posts here asking where we draw the line in the sand. Right here folks...

ahhh it all starts to make sense now... Today for some unknown reason I let my radio stay on FOX after Imus was over (man Imus is really more painful to listen to now than ever as Alzheimers/dementia steps in) and Glenn Beck comes on. He played clips of Maher calling him out about his FEMA camp bit. Glenn Beck then states that (paraphrasing) "all I said were that we were going to look into the FEMA camps and try to debunk them. We are still looking at it, but our general conclusion was DON'T GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM THE INTERNET." ....

yep NOW I see where he was going ..... especially when I remebered hearing Beck CLEARLY say "I tried to debunk the FEMA camps ... but I couldn't"...... and now that has turned into "The Internet is Bad"..... Just another wolf in sheeps clothing... but I digress ....

keeping the thread on topic .... THIS THREAD SHOULD STAY ON THE FRONT PAGE AS A REMINDER UNTIL THEY TAKE ATS AND THE LIKE AWAY FROM US....

WHICH IS COMING.

THIS is our line in the sand. When should the resistance "stiffen-up" ? when we cannot communicate with like minds anymore? When we are only getting information that the MSM deems appropriate? yes.

truly a frightening thread.


[edit on 23-3-2009 by sayiamu]


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 02:02 PM by 0010110011101
Originally posted by InSpiteOf
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Many large companies not only control the software side of the internet, but also the lines, server racks, and processor banks required to run it. Like I said, Control the infrastructure, control the flow.


This is already the case.

They already do control the infrastructure, so if they are not already controlling the flow, why not?


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 02:08 PM by v3_exceed
In truth, the BIG providers do own the links, however it is the nature of the internet to be resilient. The whole purpose of this kind of switched network is that if one link goes down, the packets are rerouted to different switches until the packet reaches its destination. So I think the huge companies could slow it down, but not stop it altogether.

Many co location providers operate a multilink connection (called BGP). And in Canada it is true the big 3 are Shaw (VAC) Telus (TAC) and Rogers. There has also been a large influx of additional providers like Peer1, Bell and Allstream.

The additional providers are probably leasing space on TAC or VAC lines. In Canada, these lines aren't really owned by the Telcos. A company called Ledcor ran the fibre in the 70's at their own expense. The fibre is then leased to the telcos by Ledcor. I'm not sure how its done in the states.

The problem with the telco's running their own fibre isn't the cost of the fibre, it is the cost of obtaining a "right of way" with the farmers. Since the whole thing is regulated by the Canadian CRTC just putting huge filters on, wont really help.

So, except the CRTC, which isn't really telco friendly as they are the regulatory board, just censoring has to happen at a different level. They could demand censoring at the CRTC level, but there would be a lot of noise from the public at large.

In any case, by supporting your local companies, you have a much better chance of dealing with a person who values your support, and will more likely speak with you rather than against you.

Thanks for reading.
..Ex
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