Have to disagree with your views on the special tax on the AIG bonuses. The problem is that the US government gave the go ahead for these guys to give
these bonuses to begin with. Now they want to take away these bonuses?
Now what does this mean in the future? If the government wants to take away your money, because they don't feel that you deserve it, they can with a
special tax? This is unamerican and fascist.
I think that Dodd needs to pay these bonuses himself. After all he was the one that put the legislation into the bill to begin with that allowed for
these bonuses to be paid out.
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Homer and Martin reveal a new element to the show - Debates, then AIG bonuses and The House's reaction. Martin wonders if the British Government will
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from the Government? Martin reveals there are gaffs when recording the show. And a Homer rant to finish on the treatment of our military.
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reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 11:49 AM by Freedom ERP
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But was the House and Senate aware that bonuses were going to be paid? And how many Americans were aware that after bailing AIG out, the management were still looking to get their bonuses.
I have to agree with Homer and Martin that the House has got it finger on the pulse on the US people on this one.
And who were the Representitives who voted against this. What special interests do they have?
But was the House and Senate aware that bonuses were going to be paid? And how many Americans were aware that after bailing AIG out, the management were still looking to get their bonuses.
I have to agree with Homer and Martin that the House has got it finger on the pulse on the US people on this one.
And who were the Representitives who voted against this. What special interests do they have?
reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 11:59 AM by whatukno
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If the house and senate weren't aware that these bonuses were to be paid they must not have read the bill. This legislation was designed explicitly so that these bonuses could still be paid out. Back in January we all knew these bonuses were coming.
Americans who largely weren't aware of these bonuses are outraged but they shouldn't have been surprised. It was covered on the news, unfortunately few paid attention.
I still disagree with Homer and Martin on this. It's akin to giving a drug addict their drug of choice then punishing them for using it.
Americans all over wrote and called and emailed their representatives demanding that they not pass this bill. The ones that voted against it in my opinion were the ones that really had their fingers on the pulse of the nation. They had the courage in the face of the federal reserve and the treasury department who were telling them the sky would fall if they failed to bail out these crooks to say "NO I won't bail out a failed business anymore."
Maybe we should elect people into our government that can read. It probably would help if our reps in Washington were to actually read the legislation they are ramrodding through the system.
But was the House and Senate aware that bonuses were going to be paid? And how many Americans were aware that after bailing AIG out, the management were still looking to get their bonuses.
If the house and senate weren't aware that these bonuses were to be paid they must not have read the bill. This legislation was designed explicitly so that these bonuses could still be paid out. Back in January we all knew these bonuses were coming.
Americans who largely weren't aware of these bonuses are outraged but they shouldn't have been surprised. It was covered on the news, unfortunately few paid attention.
I still disagree with Homer and Martin on this. It's akin to giving a drug addict their drug of choice then punishing them for using it.
Americans all over wrote and called and emailed their representatives demanding that they not pass this bill. The ones that voted against it in my opinion were the ones that really had their fingers on the pulse of the nation. They had the courage in the face of the federal reserve and the treasury department who were telling them the sky would fall if they failed to bail out these crooks to say "NO I won't bail out a failed business anymore."
Maybe we should elect people into our government that can read. It probably would help if our reps in Washington were to actually read the legislation they are ramrodding through the system.
reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 12:10 PM by Freedom ERP
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And I think whatukno, you have hit the nail on the head. How many of our elected officials read what they are voting on. And this questions the caliber of the people we are electing.
And I think whatukno, you have hit the nail on the head. How many of our elected officials read what they are voting on. And this questions the caliber of the people we are electing.
reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 12:13 PM by jam321
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or it could question the caliber/motive/intelligence/knowledge of the people electing our representatives.
And this questions the caliber of the people we are electing.
or it could question the caliber/motive/intelligence/knowledge of the people electing our representatives.
reply posted on 24-3-2009 @ 08:02 AM by Freedom ERP
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It is not fair to question the caliber/motive/intelligence/knowledge of the people electing our representatives. We have a limited pool of people to elect. Just think about the presidential elections. There were only 2 front runners and if I am correct (and I stand to be corrected!!) 4 other candidates.
We have the ignore the 4 other candidates. So the US people had a choice between 3 options in reality.
A democrat, A republican or not bother to vote.
If the US people had a choice of up to 10 serious candidates and elected a dud as president I could start to agree with your arguement but when in many cases in the US, the choice is limited to 2 people, what options do voters have. If no one votes, something will get appointed to the job, which seems far worst as there is not comeback. At least if you vote for someone and they fail you, you have the option to not vote for them the next time.
And what help do we give people to make a better informed decision on who they should elect?
Our candidates, it seems to me, will say just about another legal to get elected and promise the earth, because they know most of us will not be interested in calling them to account before the next election.
At least California bucked this trend
It is not fair to question the caliber/motive/intelligence/knowledge of the people electing our representatives. We have a limited pool of people to elect. Just think about the presidential elections. There were only 2 front runners and if I am correct (and I stand to be corrected!!) 4 other candidates.
We have the ignore the 4 other candidates. So the US people had a choice between 3 options in reality.
A democrat, A republican or not bother to vote.
If the US people had a choice of up to 10 serious candidates and elected a dud as president I could start to agree with your arguement but when in many cases in the US, the choice is limited to 2 people, what options do voters have. If no one votes, something will get appointed to the job, which seems far worst as there is not comeback. At least if you vote for someone and they fail you, you have the option to not vote for them the next time.
And what help do we give people to make a better informed decision on who they should elect?
Our candidates, it seems to me, will say just about another legal to get elected and promise the earth, because they know most of us will not be interested in calling them to account before the next election.
At least California bucked this trend
reply posted on 27-3-2009 @ 01:01 AM by zappafan1
Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by whatukno
But was the House and Senate aware that bonuses were going to be paid? And how many Americans were aware that after bailing AIG out, the management were still looking to get their bonuses.
I have to agree with Homer and Martin that the House has got it finger on the pulse on the US people on this one.
And who were the Representitives who voted against this. What special interests do they have?
REPLY: Dodd and Geithner both knew about this months ago. Then Schmucky Schumer said they (the government) would tax them at 90%. Typical for a Lib. Obviously Schumer hasn't read the Constitution, or just doesn't care. He wouldn't know a Bill of Attainder if it bit him on the butt.
Then there's old Socialist Barney Fwank (toothless because his boys like it that way), says he's going to get to the bottom of who is behind the mortgage crisis which started this whole ball of wax. Some nerve!!! Him (and Dodd) looking for the culprits is the same as OJ looking for the guy who killed his wife. Hey, boys!!! Look in a mirror sometime!
reply posted on 27-3-2009 @ 01:04 AM by zappafan1
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Actually, there was no republican representative, and the only true Conservative was Palin.
Actually, there was no republican representative, and the only true Conservative was Palin.
reply posted on 2-4-2009 @ 03:18 PM by Royal76
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Honestly: I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BONUSES. The government knew they were going out. They did this on purpose. Now they can grandstand and get everybody watching them try and hose these people. They are doing this so you don't notice everything else going on: The fact that the stimulus money went to banks and 60% of it was sent to other countries. The fact that by passing this law they will be able to control how much anyone is payed. The fact that they can fire the CEO of a private company now. The fact that if they did it to a big corporation they can do it to a small one. They fact that if we don't get off this road soon we could have a future where: The government fires who ever they want, tells any company how many they can hire, and how much or how little they can pay them. Wake up Sheep. Bah. bah.
Honestly: I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BONUSES. The government knew they were going out. They did this on purpose. Now they can grandstand and get everybody watching them try and hose these people. They are doing this so you don't notice everything else going on: The fact that the stimulus money went to banks and 60% of it was sent to other countries. The fact that by passing this law they will be able to control how much anyone is payed. The fact that they can fire the CEO of a private company now. The fact that if they did it to a big corporation they can do it to a small one. They fact that if we don't get off this road soon we could have a future where: The government fires who ever they want, tells any company how many they can hire, and how much or how little they can pay them. Wake up Sheep. Bah. bah.
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