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Originally posted by converge
Anything John Lear says is useless for the serious study of the UFO phenomena.
I have actually said very little about flying saucers.
My subjects are usually:
A Navy submarine base in the Nevada desert.
A breathable atmosphere on the moon.
A civilization on the moon.
The secret base at Sandia.
A high speed train from Sandia to a Las Vegas hotel.
Ten U.S. secret space stations orbiting earth with directed energy weapons one of which was used to destroy the World Trade Center.
People living on Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.
A 4th astronaut killed in Apollo 1.
No planes on 911.
A shadow government composed of Nazi/Masonic/Dod/militaryindustrialists.
Originally posted by Majorion
So in essence, John never claimed to be an expert in the field of UFOs
I see him as a guy who focuses mainly on lunar and solar system anomalies and such.
Originally posted by converge
Bottom line is that John Lear has never once provided any evidence to back up his claims.
Originally posted by Majorion
So in essence, John never claimed to be an expert in the field of UFOs, ..
Originally posted by Majorion
Most of the ufologists I've seen provide no evidence other than either their own personal opinion ...
... he believes that there is an artificial craft in the rings of Saturn.. he references a book called "The Ringmakers of Saturn" by Norm Bergman (I think his name is)
I don't think he's trying to deceive or con anyone. Whether you agree with him or not, he's telling the truth as he sees it.
Originally posted by converge
Isn't that exactly the same thing you've just criticized about most ufologists? Lear is claiming something based on a book someone wrote (someone's opinion)?
I respect your belief that John Lear is not deceiving anyone, but I will not give him the benefit of the doubt anymore.
And what exactly does telling the truth has he sees it mean? For example, what do you think of John saying that ATS is being run by intelligence agencies?
Originally posted by converge
And what exactly does telling the truth has he sees it mean? For example, what do you think of John saying that ATS is being run by intelligence agencies?
I find him quite a sad chap actually.....harmless and polite(ish) but sad.
Originally posted by nerbot
I don't think he's an expert in anything except manipulating his audiences.
Originally posted by YourForever
Perhaps I could say the same about you, nerbot.
John is an expert in quite a few things
Originally posted by davidifty
Majorion - are you JL?
Originally posted by davidifty
Anyway, I listened to a C2C show where it was Richard C Hoagland disagreed with John's theory of an atmosphere on the moon. Richard points out the fact that because stars do not twinkle when they disappear behind the moon is evidence it has no atmosphere?
R C Hoagland (imo) is a credible person, however even if JL was just 1% correct...thats enough for me (to a certain degree). I think you get my point.
Its JL work and RCH work, threads and videos that brought me to ATS. If that works for a few then GREAT.
Originally posted by nerbot
He WAS an expert pilot but doesn't fly anymore.
Originally posted by nerbot
Please enlighten us as to what he is an expert at/in, other than BS and storytelling.
Originally posted by Majorion
Yes, it's unfortunate isn't it?.. what people will say behind his back..
you know, he posts at Open Minds Forum.. if anyone has something they wanna say.. go say it to his face over there.
Originally posted by converge
No disrespect but I've never seen you come in the defense of anyone else in the UFO field whom people talk "behind their backs" here on ATS; and the things said in this thread about him, are nothing compared to some of the things that are said of other people.
Originally posted by nerbot
I don't think he's an expert in anything except manipulating his audiences
Originally posted by converge
And besides they aren't out of line. This is a discussion forum, this is a thread about John Lear, so I think his claims and their validity are much on topic.
Originally posted by converge
But why this adoration of John Lear? And this is not just directed at you Majorion. Yes, Lear was probably a great pilot but what does that have to do with the validity of his claims?
Originally posted by converge
Or that ATS is being run by the intelligence agency?