GOP predicts doomsday if Obama budget passed

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


That would suck man, I would be SCREWED lol.
I doubt the world will wait for me to get my degree before it falls apart though

Her's a wierd coincidence...
Bush had said, america will wish they had let him (bush) back or stay as president, it was someting along those lines.. he said.
WOnder what bush knew and how things are unfolding? hmmm indeed

reply to post by David9176


Yea, I'm gonna have to agree with you. This makes absolutely no sense at all. I am getting more and more certain that Obama is controlled by the same greedy bastards that bush was controlled by. Everything that has happened has been so orchestrated that it makes me sick. I am getting very worried about what our once great country will become. Fascism is fascism no matter what way you spin it. Imagine if we took 1 percent of the trillions of dollars the fed has printed and handed out to each citizen in the u.s. Talk about stimulating the economy. Im no expert but I just don't understand why we have lobbyist in the white house making policy decisions for us. Our government is definitely not for the people anymore, its for the scumbags who paid for the election...

reply to post by iamjesusphish


The only thing that really makes sense to me now...the reason behind all of it...is the federal reserve.

Since it's a private bank that we have no control or transparency over...they can do whatever the hell they want as there is no legislation to stop them.

The American people have no power over their own currency.

Ron Paul was/is right.

End the Fed.

If America wants to stay or should I say become a free society again, we need to let the markets, home values, and businesses correct themselves and keep government out of it!

The only way that we are going to arrive at an economy that works is by letting it work naturally. If you went belly up and lost everything, well that's that. If other people invested or deposited along with you, well, that's that. If your home has dropped in value and you can't afford it, well that's that. Let them keep dropping in value until someone can actually truly afford to buy it. If there is no money left to lend, well, that's that, get to work, take care of who you can that you love and matters, and earn and save some money instead. That's that. If you lost some entitlement that comes along with you being stupified and molly coddled with too many drugs, well hopefully when your head clears, because there are no more drugs, because the people couldn't afford to buy them for you any longer and get them to you through a corrupt fraud laden system, you will still be able to work and that's that. If not, you better hope someone who is working loves you enough to see your fed and can get those drugs. And that's that. If you have no place to live, and no where to go, well you had better try to find yourself a warm, safe enough place to bed down for the night, and no matter how hungry or disgusted you are the next morning you better be up and at it with a tin cup in your hand look for some charity from your fellow human who just might empathize with you, and spare you something because they have a job, and you better be looking for one yourself too, or someone who can help you get one and that's that.
However more many banks, businesses, services have to fold along the way to correct the imbalances in the system, that really is the only way the system is ever going to balance. Naturally!

It's harsh, it's cruel, it's tough, but people just need to wake up to the fact we have stretched every reasonable resource of this planet to the maximum and beyond.

It can not sustain artificially every human that comes into existence that artificially needs sustained.

Ultimately it is going to come down to one or two things, and that is what is really going on.

Is it going to be government selection, of who, why and what prospers and thrives in the future, or it is going to be natural selection were the luck of the draw, karmic fate, a person's own, apptitude, skills, talent and willingness to find, not be given a productive use for them, puts them to the most productive use to ensure and maintain a truly fair society, where there are no funds or avenues to be exploited and corrupted, or unscrupulous do overs, financed off the backs of those forced to contribute to the poor fiscal management and planning of ineffecient and corrupt enterprises, that do nothing but drive the markets and natural balance out of whack in the process.

Its going to be a hard, hard road either way you, we, choose to go. The only difference is one way you get to make the choices on an even up and up playing field. The other way you don't get to make the choices on a slanted and tilted dishonest playing field.

I would put more faith in the future on the former and not the latter.

reply to post by David9176


Yes RP is generally right on with most of his stuff, but not all. People think that since the fed is called the federal reserve that it is part of the US government. i am glad that some of these people are waking up but im afraid its too little too late.

[edit on 23-3-2009 by iamjesusphish]

Bah, I am disappointed at the people suggesting that it would save money to stop payments to the disabled and student grants.

After all the job losses, all some of us have left is leechin' off schools.

Err... anyway.

I wish that we would have done something about the illegal immigrant problem, honestly. It is bad enough, we funded them all coming over here for the paychecks for reproducing... But now that the economy is going downhill, crime rates are getting worse (Not just where I live?)...

And if there is an all-out collapse, you know how secure that makes me feel, just knowing that my neighbors don't know any English and are loyal to another country?!

I have faith in Americans!!! .....Not Mexico (and her people).

Funny how some in the GOP blame Obama rather than the real problem.. (Our entire economic system). But, no really, lets divert attention from the real problems to fear monger the entire country. How being and acting like real professionals and politicians for once. The bailouts and everything else involving the economy that has transpired in the last few months and years has done nothing but prolong our problems.

Enough bailouts. Enough "temporary fixes" that only work in theories and in the minds of "experts". We need permanent solutions to our permanent economic problems. The only way to do that is to completely overhaul and reform our entire economic system. Ron Paul has been saying it for years. Because of the way our economy works and operates it can never sustain itself in the long-term. Inflation will continue to get worse, The value of the dollar will continue to decline, We will continue to print trillions of dollars from thin air, and pretty soon our children will be left with the mess left over after the politicians were too cowardly to do anything meaningful about it.

It might just take a "doomsday scenario" for our country and our politicians to finally look back in a few years time and realize that something should have been done years ago (NOW). This is a one shot deal. But lets just twist the knife already in the backs of the American people a little longer. Whatever can fix the economy "for now". The way I see it, the real cause of this "doomsday scenario" will be lack of any permanent solution to our economic problems and the insistance of some to focus on petty, stupid B.S. that doesn't matter (I would prefer a solution that doesn't involve the North American Union, thanks).

Enough with the personal attacks, the histrionic silliness about fascism and communism, and all the idiotic commentators and pundits that insist this be about the obama administration rather than the real cause of the problem. The problem involves us, the way our economy operates, and our politicians making this about petty, stupid B.S. instead of working together to find permanent solutions. "OH NOES, Obama is 3 months in, the world is going to end". I wish people would just get it together. We need to be fixing these problems, not freaking out about personal opinions and doomsday scenarios.

-ChriS

You know what I find funny?(and this is just me talking, I wont speak for anyone else). I find it funny that during the elections, when I asked Obama supporters "Why are you voting for Obama?"..besides the normal "he aint Bush" response...the second response was "He will fix our Economy, because he is a democrat, and thats what democrats do".
Here we are.

Originally posted by Common Good
You know what I find funny?(and this is just me talking, I wont speak for anyone else). I find it funny that during the elections, when I asked Obama supporters "Why are you voting for Obama?"..besides the normal "he aint Bush" response...the second response was "He will fix our Economy, because he is a democrat, and thats what democrats do".
Here we are.

Hey they were partially correct,looks like Obama will fix the economy for good,how inept must a person be before some people realize what he is doing,I feel sorry for the young folk,this is not good

I dont know if this is relevant to the thread, but its the same scenario here is Australia.

Todays newspaper headline reads:

Treasurer Wayne Swan hints at further stimulus packages.

TREASURER Wayne Swan has hinted there will be a further stimulus package in the May federal Budget, despite collapsing revenue.

Basically he is telling Australian people that they will continue to throw their money into this economic black hole. So like the U.S, Australia too seems hell bent on sending itself broke.

So the party that says if you don't spend trillions on Halliburton, Exxon, and other GOP companies you are anti American are calling spending on AMERICAN CITIZENS wrong? Right, yeah, makes sense. Give 250billion to Halliburton, you're a patriot. Give 2,500 to an American citizen, you're anti American Socialist Terrorist Facist Commie Gay MSM and uh, need some more buzzwords used by the GOP.

reply to post by Common Good


The guy's been president for 2 months...

..and people are expecting him to do it with his hands tied behind his back.

I think the spending is quite excessive...but this is merely the continuation of the trend for the past 8 years...borrow borrow borrow...

Nobody can do anything with nothing to begin with...if he just sat there and said, "nope, sorry, I'm just going to leave this alone this year, we don't have the money", we'd be hearing the exact same people and politicians complaining about how irresponsible he is.

reply to post by madhatr137


I keep hearing things like he's been president two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, over a month etc.

Are we going to be sitting here six months from now and saying the same thing?

FDR was thrust into office under worse conditions and performed far better in his first 100 days.

It almost seems that the current administration is hellbent on spending the nation into economic oblivion.

It seems like they are hell bent on destruction of this country, doesn't it?
It looks rather obvious that they are all a bunch of drunks on a spending spree.

They are doing it on purpose.

Originally posted by madhatr137
reply to post by Common Good

 

The guy's been president for 2 months...

..and people are expecting him to do it with his hands tied behind his back.

I think the spending is quite excessive...but this is merely the continuation of the trend for the past 8 years...borrow borrow borrow...

Nobody can do anything with nothing to begin with...if he just sat there and said, "nope, sorry, I'm just going to leave this alone this year, we don't have the money", we'd be hearing the exact same people and politicians complaining about how irresponsible he is.

The "the guys only been president for 2 months" line is about as old as his presidency.
He has been running for president for how long? 2 years? How long has this financial crap been going on? You all say 8 -10 years, so WTF were the dems doing in the backround? They OBVIOUSLY didnt see it comming, and if they did, than this was all orchestrated because I dont see how you can run the nation for that long and NOT come up with a plan to fix it before it got out of hand.
He swore(and quite arrogantly at that) during his campaign that only he and the democrats could fix it(btw the dems have been in control of Congress for the past 2 years so all spending went through them(cant blame it all on Bush)he has Geitner on his team who "cant be replaced cause theres nobody that can do his job"
"If we dont push this package through immediately, there will be major consequences"..they do...it takes him almost 4 days to sign it off.
This guy promised the Entire world, well.......he promised them the world.
As far as I am concerned he hasnt been on the job for only 2 months, hes been on the job for over 2 years.
I can go on about the 8 years of Bush too, hell I didnt vote for the guy, Im not a republican, but I know when its time to handle Important things, and when its time to play the blame game. Its not time for the blame game.
He can sit back and laugh about our situation all he wants to while Americans and people around the world are struggling to make ends meet, but you think for one second I am or anyone else for that matter are just going to sit back and watch their whole lively hood vanish in front of them without criticizing the man in charge? I know theres sheep out there, but I am not one of them. Are you?

reply to post by MikeboydUS

FDR was thrust into office under worse conditions and performed far better in his first 100 days.

Were you there for that or are you basing that off of history? Who knows how Obama's handling of this soup sandwich of an economy will be viewed in history? It will have to play itself out first.

It still amazes me how partisan people can be on this issue. I don't doubt that our economy is about to face the apocalypse but it is hardly fair to put the entire blame on Obama. Our entire government is to blame for this mess. The GOP is hardly innocent and it is ridiculous for them to blame the new administration for our demise.

reply to post by Karlhungis


I am basing that view on facts.

I know both parties bear responsibility, but at the moment the ball is in the democrats court. If McCain was President and messing up I would still be making the FDR comparison.

Originally posted by David9176The main problem with gardens is that people living in cities can't do it at all.

Not true at all! A lot of my friends living right in the heart of NYC have gardens. They are called "container gardens" and they put them on their verandas and such. Google "container gardens." Basically you grow veggies and fruit in regular plant pots. Or those nice round tubs that you use for ice and drinks work great ($5 at Target). Tomatoes, cukes, zucchini, peppers and herbs work fantastic in those things - better in my opinion than regular in-ground gardens (and I speak from experience).

"eventual federal bankruptcy"

Why mince words?

We are already bankrupt and operating at a deficit.

The only reason it hasn't hit harder is the Fed just keeps selling T-bills to China or running the printing presses overtime.

Make no mistake though, the country is bankrupt...

They should say, "eventual collection of assets due to federal bankruptcy." In other words, when are they going to give California to China for repayment of bad debt?