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Deadly plane crash at Tokyo airport

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posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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Deadly plane crash at Tokyo airport


edition.cnn.com

A cargo plane landing at Tokyo's Narita airport in Japan burst into flames Monday, an airport official confirmed. Strong winds may have played a role in the crash, said Masaru Fujisaki, an airport official. The status of the pilot and co-pilot was not immediately known.

The plane crashed at 6:50 a.m. (5:50 p.m. Sunday ET), according to Japan's Kyodo news service.

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[edit on 3/22/2009 by tothetenthpower]

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[edit on 3/23/2009 by semperfortis]




posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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Hmm wow two plane incidents in the same day, kinda eerie.

Seems as though we are getting into these situations more and more now, how can it be?

Are people so shaken up by the current state of affairs that airports are beginning to lose their edge? Have the financial cut backs cause by the financial crisis be attributed to some of these incidents?

~Keeper

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[edit on 3/23/2009 by semperfortis]



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:05 PM
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warning

this shows the accident



FEDEX MD-11 bounces , breaks its nose wheel bounces again and rolls left and bursts into flames.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:07 PM
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Awesome thank you for posting the video, very usefull.

I appreciate the input, what are you thoughts on the matter?

~Keeper



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:07 PM
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Interesting post! i think that perhaps companies are feeling pressure from the worldwide collapse of the economy. But i'm not sure it's related to these accidents. One good thing is that it was not a passenger plane, that would have been a great tragedy. Human life is the most precious gift we have. Being alive is so precious!



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:10 PM
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Pilot error? from what is saw, the angle of descent was weird. That's why the bounce occured.
Hope we'll have an update on the real cause...



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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wow....now thats a really bad landing. Looks like nothing more than pilot error. Will be interesting to see how they call it.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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as i pilot, i say... WHY DIDNT HE ABORT AND GO AROUND?

everyone has a rough landing every now and again especially if winds are bad. may be it was something technically went wrong like a gear collapsed, but i think this one from the video looks like a case of pilot error.

it never hurts to abort and go around again.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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i agree, he should have hit the power or floated that first big bounce out instead of forcing the nose down so hard post bounce....

look at me judging this guys demise and my flying experience includes mostly Microsoft Flight Simulator lol.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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looking at the video again it looks like he had a hard landing and then froze up with fear.

it appears he flared again and went way to high in a desperate attempt to save the landing, or he decided to go around again and forgot the most essential part of the procedure... adding more power.

very sad either way.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:37 PM
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i feel the same way. i was in a very crazy landing once and let me say when it happens sometimes people dont know how they will react. i dont think we should feel bad judging the accident as learning from others mistakes is one of the best forms of learning.

whenever i get my flight instructors liscense im going to have my students watch a whole heap of videos on youtube involving accidents.

nothing makes it more clear why you should not do certain things than seeing a perfectly good airplane burst into flames. it is a lesson you wont forget next time you are coming in for a questionable landing.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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I wouldn't judge him too harshly yet. He may have encountered some unexpected event on short final. It's entirely possible he hit a microburst that caused them to hit harder than expected, and over corrected after hitting the runway.

Let's wait for some kind of accident report or more information before we crucify the poor crew.

Edit:

Initial reports are saying that there were high winds at Narita at the time of the landing.

[edit on 3/22/2009 by Zaphod58]



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:54 PM
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RJAA 222238Z 30019G32KT 9999 FEW030 12/M03 Q1002 WS R34R RMK 1CU030 A2959


edit:

heres the last 4 hours worth

RJAA 222300Z 30018G29KT 9999 FEW030 13/M04 Q1002 WS R34R NOSIG
RJAA 222238Z 30019G32KT 9999 FEW030 12/M03 Q1002 WS R34R RMK 1CU030 A2959
RJAA 222230Z 30018KT 9999 FEW030 12/M03 Q1001 WS R34R TEMPO 31020G30KT RMK 1CU030 A2959 2218 MOD TURB BLW 500FT ON FNA RWY34R B767
RJAA 222200Z 31026G40KT 9999 FEW020 12/M02 Q1001 NOSIG RMK 1CU020 A2957 P/RR
RJAA 222130Z 32026G40KT 9999 FEW020 12/M02 Q0999 WS R34L NOSIG RMK 1CU020 A2952 P/RR
RJAA 222108Z 31025G35KT 9999 FEW020 12/M01 Q0998 RMK 1CU020 A2949
RJAA 222100Z 30013G28KT 260V330 9999 FEW020 13/M01 Q0998 NOSIG RMK 1CU020 A2948
RJAA 222041Z 26012KT 210V300 9999 FEW020 12/02 Q0998 RMK 1CU020 A2948
RJAA 222033Z 32016G26KT 9999 FEW020 11/03 Q0998 RMK 1CU020 A2947
RJAA 222030Z 32017KT 9999 FEW020 12/02 Q0998 NOSIG RMK 1CU020 A2948
RJAA 222000Z 33012KT 9999 FEW020 11/05 Q0997 NOSIG RMK 1CU020 A2946
RJAA 221930Z 32012KT 9999 FEW020 13/06 Q0997 NOSIG RMK 1CU020 A2944

[edit on 22/3/09 by Harlequin]



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 07:58 PM
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I tried to translate the video but my Japanese is not that good. If it was a Japanese pilot, to miss a landing would cause him to loose face within the company. That cultural ideal has caused a few other incidents that have taken lives. Just a thought!

Zindo



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 08:01 PM
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confirmed all crew are dead.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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reply to post by Zaphod58
 


good point



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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reply to post by Harlequin
 


gusts of 40 and moderate turbulance would not be fun in a cessna 172 but i would think those big jets could handle that. regardless those winds probably did not make the situation any better. i wonder if they were crosswinds?



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 08:10 PM
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From the video it seems like a pilot error, but who knows.

I am sorry to hear that the crew is dead, that's not very pleasant. I also wonder what kind of information they will have about what happened.

I guess with the crew dead there really isn't a way to see if it was a pilot error is there? Other than black boxes I would assume.

~Keeper



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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I watched that video twice and the left landing gear was intact when that right wing jumped into the air. I don't think the collapse of that left landing gear caused that wing to get more lift. It looks like crosswinds from their right hit that wing and it got a huge amount of lift from the forward and rear flaps that looked to be deployed! Couldn't see if he deployed the spoilers by that video!

Zindo

[edit on 3/22/2009 by ZindoDoone]



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 08:19 PM
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reply to post by TheRepublic
 


Max crosswinds for the MD-11 are 31 knots. But even if they weren't crosswinds, there could have been microbursts, or other wind related events over the end of the runway.




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