Kroft to Obama: Are you punch drunk?

reply to post by greeneyedleo


Ha Ha... that's worth a chuckle.

reply to post by kinda kurious


Wow, support a man? who in his very short time in office spent nearly triple the amount of money President Bush did, an we still have three plus years of this joker in office? Will we have a country left by the time he's done?

reply to post by dubiousone


Happy to have a conversation on the issues, as I think most folks on this thread are doing. How about you start with listing a couple of competent things that have come out of this administration other than pap fodder for the ultra left, like closing GITMO (where those nice dudes going by the way? Oh, thats right. I probably should have had that little detail mapped prior to shutting the place down) or the stem cell deal which is a non issue as most of the promising research comes from adult stem cells.

Now the gent may be up to the job and is just having a bit of a bad stretch. The problem is that it does not appear that he can get anything right.

You might also want to list the promises he made during the campaign and how he's doing keeping those while you're at it.

Its going to be a very easy 4 years for Leno, Stewart, SNL, Letterman, not to mention Limbaugh. Material will be plentyful

I'm a Republican & I voted for Obama now I wish I hadn't because, he has lied & parried around issues & has snuck evil into legislations that were passed & in my opinion has failed his 90 day trial & he & his whole administration should be removed from office. I'm going to the Tea Party here in Melbourne Florida on the 15th of next month with printed fliers, from links I have followed from here & will encourage all there to tell our State Government that Florida should become a State, that declares its Sovereignty. I have several issues that I will talk about along with handing out fliers of literature so that we the people can take back our Government, from the fools that have siezed our Country. By the way since I have started all of this here in Melbourne our phone has been & is now tapped. I also plan on joining the NRA which I've never been against but have never joined. I also plan on buying myself a gun or two or three.

The markets are down 1/4 since the day Obama took office. They are reacting to his policies and his team. The markets operate on one thing and that is confidence. There is a confidence problem with this administration.

Several significant promises made by this administration have been broken.

- No earmarks - nope
- full transparecy in government - nope
- 5 days of opportunity to review the bail-out bill prior to having congress vote on it so that citizens could reach out to their representatives and let them know what they thought about it - nope
- no lobbiests in the administration - nope

Some of you guys seem like you were born yesterday, have you forgotten about what happened under Bush? The stock markets were doing bad under BUSH at the end. Why were they doing bad? Because of the BANKING and credit crisis. That happened irrespective of who was in office, to say its Obama's fault for a down stock market is ridiculous.

Do you know what prompted this latest upsurge to the stock market? When CITI Bank posted a profit that quarter, after that news report the stock market went up about 300 points. Was that Obama's doing? Nope. The banking health helped to spur confidence in the market and gave hope after the horrible outcomes of other financial institutions.

Confidence is vital to the stock market, yes. But the lack of confidence and uncertainty in the BANKING sector is what caused all this, not a lack of confidence in Obama.

And all those promises are the same things Bush did wrongly. He didn't even mention not doing those things, he just did them. I'd like to see someone at least acknowledge what their intentions are. Bush said he wanted a minimal foreign policy and didn't believe in policing the world, and look how that turned out. Iraq war for many years.

Some of you guys need to stop watching Fox News.....

His diplomatic skills are pretty shaky too, it seems.
DVDs? Come on.

Guys, it really isn't that important. It's a present for crying out loud. Obama said he'd be open to talks with some of the countries that Bush refused to do, at least he'll be using his diplomatic skills.


For those talking about his inexperience. Sure, he doesn't have much but experience or not, we'd still have the same problems that we're having now. You look at the other choice, Mccain and Palin, and that was no better. Mccain has a 50/50 chance of dieing while he was in office. Palin who has about 1/10th the experience of Obama (lawl) would become president, now that would be scary.

[edit on 23-3-2009 by ghaleon12]

Is Pres. Obama going to 'feel bad' for you guys when a head of lettuce is $15?

Is he going to 'feel bad' for you when you're renditioned for having a Ron Paul sticker?

Does he 'feel bad' for all of the troops he's taking out of theatre, and putting RIGHT back in Afghanistan?

Will he 'feel bad' for you when your land is confiscated because you didn't buy your garden permit?

Did he 'feel bad' when he pressured democrats to vote for the first bailout bill?

How about when he accepted $100,000 of your money from AIG?

This has nothing to do with 'Anti-Obama' and everything to do with our freedom to live our lives as we please. You can sit there all day long listing how much 'better' things are since Bush is gone, but having the Clintons back in charge is no goddamned picnic.

If someone could start a thread listing campaign promises and how many he's fulfilled I'd happily read it. However this would require some of you to take your blinders off.

I can only hope those few 'hold-outs' are only here to troll. I don't really want to believe that there are people out there still believing in the biggest lie of all.

Originally posted by ghaleon12
have you forgotten about what happened under Bush?

Have you? Bush inherited a problem from Clinton. Then with Bush as POTUS the stock market went to a RECORD HIGH. Then, when it was clear that Obama was the crowned prince of the media, the markets tanked.

Confidence is vital to the stock market, yes. But the lack of confidence and uncertainty in the BANKING sector is what caused all this, not a lack of confidence in Obama.

Actually, it's both. There is no confidence in what the Obama administration has planned for the economics of this country.

It's a present for crying out loud.

It's diplomacy and it's yet another straw on the camels overburdened back.

Obama said he'd be open to talks with some of the countries that Bush refused to do, at least he'll be using his diplomatic skills.

Let's be clear - Obama has NO diplomatic skills.
DVDs to an incoming visiting head of state?
He wants talks with 'moderate' taliban?
He has no skills in that area.

I voted for Obama and though am not very happy with some of what I see am not ready to have the man impeached.

I am having a very hard time with the total incompetence of his advisers. After receiving such a thoughtful gift from the PM he sends someone out to get DVD's????? This is a screw up that never should have happened, don't they have someone to handle the diplomatic protocol in the WH????

The letter to France is so bad that a comment is unnecessary.

As I have sat and thought about all of this since the election with my "new eyes" I see things far more clearly. Whether you are pro or anti Obama, his rise to prominence and power are hard to believe. Most of us here on ats know that those who appear to be in power are simply figureheads in the larger scheme of things. Since falling down this rabbit hole and doing months and months of extensive reading and research I have truly lost all faith in government and the way things are going with this presidency is just sapping whatever hope I had that things in this nation will ever improve.

This financial mess has been cooking ever since they canned the gold standard during the Carter admin (I am pretty sure it was Carter). When finances turn into nothing more than a glorified casino placing bets on bad investments and using computer generated trends to asses value can we really be surprised at the mess we are in. I really don't think anyone can solve this, certainly no one that was put up by the parties! It took years of mismanagement and outright fraudulent practices to get us here, there is no way ANYONE will solve this in 90 days let alone 4 years~

I am the first one to call out a racist, I have absolutely no tolerance for that, but the criticism Obama is facing has nothing at all to do with race. Perhaps blaming hip hop for his success is a bit of a stretch, but overall the POTUS is open game for everyone and knows that when they take the oath.

One week people complain that he is not giving hope and saying too many negative things about the economy and the next week he is too flippant. Until the day he turns the reins over to the next admin this is his life. red

[edit on 3/23/2009 by redhead57]

Originally posted by orangetom1999
mybigunit,
You have some serious issues here in what does not make good nonsense. What is happening now you cannot blame on the "religious right" and it makes your presentation here very weak.
The religious right are not in the seat of power now. What is your problem or is this the very best you can do??

Hmm the only thing weak in my statement is the term "right" in "religious right" for the religious loons have big parts in both parties the Evangelicals in the right and the Jews in the left. This idea we can spend all sorts of money telling people how to live their lives, the war on drugs, the war on prostitution, the holy war against the evil Muslims, and all the other nanny/warfare/welfare/police state agendas that have slowly bankrupted us in the past 30 years. I think government needs to get out of peoples lives both here and abroad and let us keep the money we earn and spend it how we like as long as what we do doesnt infringe on another liberties or pursuit of happiness.

reply to post by Krollspell


Ummm...no.

Have you not been reading anything the past 8 yrs., or perhaps perusing the TV channels? There has been, actually, quite alot of bashing of Mr. Bush.

People have everyright to be wondering what Pres. Obama is up to. I know I do pretty much everyday this past week. I don't think the world is going to come to end because of it, but I do admit to being a bit concerned.

I was hoping this thread would take on a different form. But it seems to have devolved into the same pointless exchanges that polluted this forum before the election.

I have seen it all in here. From the zealots who confuse every criticism for some kind of personal attack, to the pro's who twist everything into some kind of racial offense. From the indoctrinated who feel that bringing up Bush's legacy can be somehow relevant to the OP, to the 'hopeful' who insist that anyone BUT the president is responsible for the recent events in national policy.

Perhaps the most shocking was the person who insists that what many refer to here as the "left/right' paradigm are detractors from people adhering to our national 'values'.

Once, long ago, I pointed out that the Chief Executive Officer of the Federal Government does not 'develop and institute' plans and processes... his party does that. What we are witnessing here is the Keystone Cops bumbling and scuffling of the parties (both of them) trying to appear the heroes, while not upsetting the applecart of those to whom they are beholden for their futures. Any of them would switch parties in a heartbeat if it served their political careers.

There is only one ideology at work here: Protect the Central Bank, because they own us, and we fell for their scam hook, line, and sinker....,

by them I mean the politician celebrities and intellectual elite.

They sell themselves to us as graceful, thoughtful, sensitive, leaders.... problem is they are so damn stupid that they bought into their own sales pitch, and now they haven't a clue as what to do, so they have dedicated themselves to fixing the blame elsewhere, as if they had just arrived yesterday...



[edit on 23-3-2009 by Maxmars]

Let me tell you something about lies. Its a LIE that you can expect things in your nation to be comming up roses . You cant. The economy is in peices all over the globe, NO ONE has avoided massive problems in this regard so all your whining on that score is irrelavent.
Its a LIE that capitalism and democracy are tools which genuinely mean the people control the power. Unless you are ignorant, blind , or otherwise incapable of veiwing reality you have already accepted that and moved on.
The TRUTH is that all you can choose is who is screwing you next, and your nation chose Obama. So cram your complaints, you picked him , now deal with him and stop being so damned immature about it . Get REAL for the love of God !
And by the way , thank God you didnt pick that rusty old war dog , or his pet skirt to do the job. Closet Nazis should never be given that much power.
Get on with it , just get on with it. Put up , shut up. Good lord, my parents were in the womb when London and the UK got blitzed during the second world war, and not a single person back then would have considered whining on like this , and they were dying in thier hundreds , burning bodies in the streets , broken buildings , people trapped under hundred year old buildings , entire families ended for all time, and you know what? They did it with thier chins up. Have some bloody backbone.

reply to post by ghaleon12


Obama IS the banking sector. It is his job to fix it. Confidence in the administration's plans is what is required to solve this problem. He is the President of the United States. Housing plans, troubled asset plans, bank bail-out plans are all integrated and they are all on his plate.

As far as the promises go. You are right, Bush did not have transparency. He had too many lobbiests in his administration. He did all of those things and just did not talk about it. He just did it.

There is a big difference. Obama RAN FOR OFFICE stating he would not do any of these things. Remember "CHANGE"?

Also, the reason I originally posted this thread was due to the offensive way he was behaiving during this crisis. Here is a gent who used the word "crisis" a dozen times in every speach. Now that he's at the helm, its now not a big enough problem to keep him from watching the NCAA tourney.

There are two kinds of Presidents. Guys who really get into policy and who love the nuts and bolts of it. Clinton was that kind of President. The other is a big picture guy, who charts a theme and a direction. Speaks to the American people and delegates the nuts and bolts to senior staff. Reagan was that kind of President. Obama clearly wants to be a Reagan type of President but there is a problem. He has no team that appears to be competent in executing plans and plays insufficient attention to the plans that are being put forth.

The "stimulus" package was essentially delegated to Pelosi and Reid. Then when folks become outraged by the pork in it, he becomes outraged. He's outraged by the AIG bonuses, yet his gent at Treasury approved it.

What this country needed and did not get was someone who would take office and acknowledge that this problem was created over a period of time. Democrats used the banking sector to perform social engineering. Republicans focused too heavily on deregulation (although much of that happened under Robert Rubin during the Clinton administration). We needed the President to rise above that and put forth a purely stimulative program and put his massive expansion of government agenda on the back burner. He did exactly the opposite - a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.

As far as the diplomatic stuff, it is important. It is critically important. Whether or not you or he like it, other leaders are measured in their own countries by how they get treated by the President of the United States. Gordon brown was humiliated by Obama and is still getting the heat in the press. He reaches out to Chirac, who has always been anti-American and stiffs Sarkozy who is the most pro-American president that France has had since DeGaule. He sends this amaturish video to Iran and they tell him to stick it and essentially invite him to the opening of their reactor at the end of the year. Whether or not you like it, it is important and why they have an office of protocol at the White House. I live in France and he's getting hammered over here. "not up to the job" "maybe Hilliary would have been a better choice".

The reason it is a very big deal is that 1 - it is quite easy to be respectful and 2 - it is shameful to treat friends in such a manner.

He's also reached out to Gorby and met with him, but has not met with Putin yet. He has time to have the worthless Jimmy Carter over to the White House, but can't spend a half hour with Gordon Brown?

At some point you need to get beyond your hatred of Bush (he's out of office by the way) and have an objective view of what is happening right now. These dudes look like the Keystone Cops.

The thing we all need to be concerned about is this administration becomming a parody.

Did you ever go out on a date with someone that you thought was the greatest, and then later in the evening you started to wonder what you ever saw in them, and by the end of the night you just wanted to go home?

This is the situation that the mainstream media is currently in. They brought Obama to the dance and they promoted him above all others. They had the thrills up their legs, spoke in hushed tones about him, and told us what a historic figure Obama was.

Now that he is in office and has been stumbling around aimlessly, the media is now wondering what they ever saw in him. They are starting to worry that we will remember who brought Obama to the dance. So, they are starting to turn on him.

If Obama doesn't get his act together soon, his date is going to leave him standing alone on the dance floor. If they decide to turn on him, it's going to get ugly. IMO, it will be much worse than what they did to W and Cheney.

reply to post by TrueBrit


Get off your high horse. If it was not for the complaining American's you'd all be goose-stepping on that island of yours. American's are not going to sit down and simply feel that "oh we voted for this gent, we'll have to suck it up". Not only do you vote for someone in this country, you vote for an agenda and as suite of policy. The American people voted for a center-left president who seemed to have the stuff to rise above the noise and lead us in a different direct. We did not vote for the agenda that is getting jammed down our throughts at the moment.

Well back to the laughter, I watched it several times

www.freedomslighthouse.com...

It is bizarre and out of place.

Only thing less popular then putting money in the banks is putting money in the auto industry

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

His laughter was joyful.

He can hardly contain himself.

Or else he is stoned.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


The link appears to be either broken or misdirected.

It took 8 years (and I admit, probably longer than that) to rip things to shreds.

And there are people here who have given the guy less than three months to try and patch it up.

As Ron Simmons would say.....


Damn


Patience is a virtue.

The right and left still slinging mud at one another, while the Federal Reserve runs rampant and THEY are the ones destroying the economy. Not Bush or Obama. Ok one, or both of them, may be "in on it", but I mean when are you people ever going to learn that this is exactly what they want. Dems and Reps b***ing at one another for no reason. They want people so pissed at "the other party" that they fail to reconginze the true scam of it all.

Wake up and quit buying into MSM mumbo jumbo. It's time to get rid of the Federal Reserve, and replace our currency with a DEBT FREE currency, and the majority of the debt and economic problems will go away.

Originally posted by dolphinfan
Get off your high horse. If it was not for the complaining American's you'd all be goose-stepping on that island of yours.

Battle of Britain - not an American in sight. After that, they were never coming here.

I see people from the US all over the board "dispensing" advice to other parts of the world.

Maybe part of the problems the US is facing at the moment is that it doesn't listen to advice from around the world.

So before you jump off on the rhetoric, maybe you ought to consider the meaning behind what Truebrit has written there, because what he/she is saying is, quite simply, that tough times require people to be tough. I thought that was the American way?