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reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 02:16 PM by chise61

reply to post by lee anoma

I'd hardly consider young men ages 17 & 18 children.

If you read the article you will see that the sentence of 25 years that they may receive is not fot setting the cat on fire. It is for the charge of 2nd degree arson because they set the building on fire and people could have been killed. One of them also broke into another apartment and beat a sleeping person with a cane while demanding money from them.

reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 07:30 PM by lee anoma

Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by lee anoma

I'd hardly consider young men ages 17 & 18 children.

That's fine and relative.
I do.

I realize now that the headline is misleading, but thank you for pointing to the other details. I clicked the link but could not find the story so I was going by what I read here.

What I found with my own search was:

2 NYC teens charged with cruelty after cat is set on fire

Prosecutors say two teens have been charged with animal cruelty. They're accused of breaking into a vacant apartment in Brooklyn and setting a cat on fire.
NEW YORK —

Prosecutors say two teens have been charged with animal cruelty. They're accused of breaking into a vacant apartment in Brooklyn and setting a cat on fire.

The Brooklyn district attorney's office says the cat was doused with lighter fluid. The burned animal was found alive but had to be euthanized.

Eighteen-year-old Angelo Monderoy and 17-year-old Matthew Cooper also are charged with arson and burglary. Prosecutors say they could face 25 years in prison if convicted.

The names of their attorneys were not immediately on record.

The apartment also was damaged by the fire.
Seatle Times

Nothing about an assault on a man at all. The arson seemed related specifically to the cat not that they tried to burn the building down even though that could have been a consequence of the cat attack.

Maybe it was in the original Fox article you read but it is not available any longer.

In any case I still do not advocate 25 years and a few rapes for these teenagers as was my point in response to what I was reading here from many posters.

All that would create IMO were more hardened criminals for the future.

- Lee

EDIT: wording

[edit on 29-3-2009 by lee anoma]

reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 07:54 PM by dodadoom

reply to post by lee anoma

Thats fine and relative. Thanks for you post!

Either way they need serious help. Agreed?
As does entire generations(it seems)that have
never learned right from wrong.
Or is this normal and just some kids playing around?
And you all wonder why I picked this username?

reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 10:20 PM by lee anoma

reply to post by dodadoom

Is that sarcasm in repeating what I said?

I'm not sure, but you did read what I said?

I already said in my first and second post that these teens needed help more than severe punishment. No their behavior is certainly not normal, anyone should see that.

I don't know if you are agreeing with me or trying to convince me of my own point that you didn't get from what I said, but in any case I...agree with you.

I know of a little girl that cut the heads of kittens and tossed them in the river.
Turns out she was being sexually abused. Didn't stop everyone from calling her a cold blooded monster before attempting to analyze her actions.

I don't subscribe to the "throw our children under the bus" mentality.
I think they are a mirror more than anything.

- Lee

reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 10:24 PM by Shakezoola

Personally, If It was up to me, I'd have them held down and burned to death.

People like that DO NOT deserve to breath for another minute.

Prison is to good for them.

reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 10:32 PM by DrumJunkie

I just can't understand where people keep getting this 25 years for a cat thing. There are other charges. Put the burning cat aside for a minute and read the list of charges. The arson charge is a pretty hefty one. They should consider themselves lucky they were not charged for the attempted murder of anyone in the building at the time. Even if they get the full brunt it's not just about the cat!It was a real bad thing. but they are getting punished for much more than that.

reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 10:35 PM by logician magician

"Killing cat's is the first step to serial killing!"

"Smoking marijuana is the first step to harder drugs!"

.....

A CAT'S LIFE IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS A HUMAN.

How do YOU know this?

The same reason people don't go to jail for burning ants or cockroaches with magnifying glasses.

Just because you like the little kitty doesn't mean it's better than head lice.

reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 10:45 PM by SGTChas

Now this is symptomatic of the reality perception problems of Americans; save the whales, hug the trees, morn for a cooked stray cat, and kill unborn babies – even set free a doctor who for 5000.00 will pull your baby almost all the way out moments before birth and execute it. It is said that Himmler was a cat enthusiast too; had a Polish servant shot for allowing his cat to run outside and get hit by a trolley in Berlin; hey that’s it, shoot the suckers; nothing too bad for such evil against ‘a living thing’. I wonder how many of responses of outrage are coming from good ‘abortion rights’ advocates?

[edit on 3/29/2009 by SGTChas]

reply posted on 30-3-2009 @ 01:22 AM by chise61

reply to post by lee anoma

Yes i see that the link is no longer working, if you google it just as it is written in the thread's title you will get the OP's article. I won't post the link because i think we have to post external links differently now and am not sure how to do it yet.

They face charges of 2nd degree arson, 2nd degree burlary, and aggrevated animal cruelty.

17 year old Cooper was also recently charged with assault and burglary in a different incident, in the same building, when he and another person broke into an apartment and beat the sleeping tenant with a cane while demanding money.

They knew people were in the building and should not have been trying to set anything on fire in an occupied building.They are both old enough to know what could have happened had the fire spread, and didn't give a second thought to the lives of the people residing in that building.

I don't advocate rape for them either, however i do not advocate them being allowed to roam freely in society in search of their next victim.

Just curious, when exactly is it (at what age) that you no longer consider them children?

reply posted on 30-3-2009 @ 03:03 AM by DrumJunkie

reply to post by chise61

I am in the same mind set you are. While I am a cat person I don't see that as the major issue. They are charged with arson and B&E. Sure the cat thing was really bad. But it's not the big deal here I don't think.

In many states at 15 you can be tried as an adult. These kids are not children. If at 18 you can get killed in the military then surely at 17 you should know right from wrong. I don't think there's a switch that we flip on a kids 18'th birthday that all of a sudden make them aware doing things like these kids are charged with is wrong. It's obvious they didn't care if the building caught fire. They had to know when yo light up a living thing it's going to take off running all over the place. Burning hurts. and we have no way of knowing if the cat was taught to stop, drop, and roll. Anyway, soaking anything with lighter fluid it's going to burn at least until the fluid is burned up. Rather these kids were really stupid or they just didn't give a crap. I'd say it was a mix of both.

AS to the gateway thing...WE all know Mothers Milk and/or baby formula leads to everything.

reply posted on 3-4-2009 @ 08:33 PM by SpacePunk

reply to post by Solomons

If it were my cat, dog, etc... I wouldn't want them to get 25 years. I'd much prefer a shorter time, a month, a year at the most. That way, my wait for them to get out of the safety of prison will be shorter.

reply posted on 3-4-2009 @ 09:35 PM by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by calihan_12
Ok ... murderers of human life have gotten away with less than 25 years in prison, and yet some immature teens are gonna go to jail for 25 years for killing a cat?

Im at a loss for words.

[edit on 27-3-2009 by calihan_12]

I think both acts should get at LEAST 25+ years. It's not just the crime you punish, it's the depravity.