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Secret Patriot Act II and possibly 111 Destroys What is left of American Liberty

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posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 02:21 PM
Will this bill be extended to include bill S 277
Total Police State Takeover
The Secret Patriot Act II Destroys What
Is Left of American Liberty
By Alex Jones

Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) told the Washington Times that no member of Congress was allowed to read the first Patriot Act that was passed by the House on October 27, 2001. The first Patriot Act was universally decried by civil libertarians and Constitutional scholars from across the political spectrum. William Safire, while writing for the New York Times, described the first Patriot Act's powers by saying that President Bush was seizing dictatorial control.

On February 7, 2003 the Center for Public Integrity, a non-partisan public interest think-tank in DC, revealed the full text of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003. The classified document had been leaked to them by an unnamed source inside the Federal government. The document consisted of a 33-page section by section analysis of the accompanying 87-page bill.

*Note: On February 10, 2003 I discovered that not only was there a house version that had been covertly brought to Hastert, but that many provisions of the now public Patriot Act II had already been introduced as pork barrel riders on Senate Bill S. 22. Dozens of subsections and even the titles of the subsections are identical to those in the House version. This is very important because it catches the Justice Department in a bald-faced lie. The Justice Department claimed that the secret legislation brought into the House was only for study, and that at this time there was no intention to try and pass it. Now upon reading S. 22, it is clear that the leadership of the Senate is fully aware of the Patriot Act II, and have passed these riders out of their committees into the full bill. I spent two hours scanning through S. 22 and, let me tell you, it is a nightmare for anyone who loves liberty. It even contains the Our Lady of Peace Act that registers all gun owners. It bans the private sale of all firearms, creates a Federal ballistics database, and much more.

The bill itself is stamped 'Confidential ö Not for Distribution.' Upon reading the analysis and bill, I was stunned by the scientifically crafted tyranny contained in the legislation. The Justice Department Office of Legislative Affairs admits that they had indeed covertly transmitted a copy of the legislation to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, (R-Il) and the Vice President of the United States, Dick Cheney as well as the executive heads of federal law enforcement agencies.

It is important to note that no member of Congress was allowed to see the first Patriot Act before its passage, and that no debate was tolerate by the House and Senate leadership. The intentions of the White House and Speaker Hastert concerning Patriot Act II appear to be a carbon copy replay of the events that led to the unprecedented passage of the first Patriot Act.

There are two glaring areas that need to be looked at concerning this new legislation:

1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be more at home in Communist China than in the United States. The fact that Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot Act, insuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening members of Congress that if they didn't vote in favor of it that they would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House's own definition terrorism. The move to clandestinely craft and then bully passage of any legislation by the Executive Branch is clearly an impeachable offense.

2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship.

I challenge all Americans to study the new Patriot Act and to compare it to the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. Ninety percent of the act has nothing to do with terrorism and is instead a giant Federal power-grab with tentacles reaching into every facet of our society. It strips American citizens of all of their rights and grants the government and its private agents total immunity.

Here is a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.

SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.

SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to in

[edit on 22-3-2009 by wonderworld]

posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 02:24 PM
Isn't this news from 2003?

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posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 02:33 PM
Obama's 'Patriot' Act No, we're not talking about Barack Obama's opposition to the post-9/11 antiterrorist law. We're referring to the Senator's support for something called the Patriot Employer Act, which deserves more attention as an indicator of his economic agenda.

Along with Democratic co-sponsors Sherrod Brown and Dick Durbin, Mr. Obama introduced the bill in the Senate in August 2007. Recently in Janesville, Wis., he repeated his intention to make it a priority as President: "We will end the tax breaks for companies who ship our jobs overseas, and we will give those breaks to companies who create good jobs with decent wages right here in America." ACLU: Obama State

Secrets Claim Sets Bad Precedent
HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER WARNS OF REPERCUSSIONS AS OBAMA MAINTAINS BUSH DEFENSE IN RENDITION CASE Human rights and civil liberties groups reacted with both outrage and incredulity upon learning that President Obama's Justice Department had decided to maintain its predecessor's invocation of the state secrets privilege in Mohamed v. Jeppesen DataPlan Inc., a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union against a Boeing subsidiary accused of helping the CIA carry out extraordinary renditions.

Ben Wizner, an ACLU attorney who is currently working on this case, argues that by not pushing back harder against controversial Bush administration policies, Obama is leaving the door open for future executive branch abuses of power.

posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 02:35 PM
reply to post by nasdack24k

Read on it's part of "Son of Patriot" or Patriot act 3 being proposed?

[edit on 22-3-2009 by wonderworld]

posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 03:25 PM
Is the Stimulas bill Obama's Patriot act?

Where is the ACLU? Where all the people who claimed Bush was taking their freedom? Those who claimed the Patriot Act was the beginning of a Police State?

(perhaps The Civilian National Security Force) Initiating huge Spending Programs,, all the while continuing to turn his back on the Constitution and liberty.

The Serve America Act, first introduced in the 110th Congress and reintroduced as S. 277 .The way I see it is that the Patriot Act, S.277 and HR1388 are all the same? I

I admit Obama has flip flopped on the extension of the Patriot act. I want answers too. If the Patriot act is not reinstated by December 2009 it will be dissolved, however there are parts of it that will not.

Senate bill S 277 seems to be more about the auditing of businesses in the financial industry. The link is below. It seems that there are more involved than only them.

Obama voted FOR the renewal of the Patriot act. See link below.

No discussion of the emerging American police state would be complete without a mention of last year’s Republican and Democratic National Conventions. The Republican National Convention were arrested being charged with “Conspiracy to Riot in the Furtherance of Terrorism,” and are literally being held accountable for the actions of other individuals. .

Rahm Emanuel stated recently “It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us.

President Obama and his aides say they don't want to waste a crisis. That's a cynical way to exploit a national emergency. Under Obama, feds may still snoop library files.

President Barack Obama's nominee for attorney general has endorsed an extension of the law that allows federal agents to demand Americans' library and bookstore records as part of terrorism probes, dismaying a national group of independent booksellers.

He supports renewing a section of the USA Patriot Act that allows FBI agents investigating international terrorism or espionage to seek records from businesses, libraries and bookstores.

If not renewed by Congress, the provision will expire at the end of 2009. The target of the search does not have to be suspected of terrorism or any other crime. A permanent gag order that accompanies each search prohibits the business or library from telling anyone about it.

Opponents of the Patriot Act provision have lobbied Congress to require that agents seeking such records obtain grand jury subpoenas, based on evidence of wrongdoing, and defend them before a judge if the record-keeper objected. So far, their efforts have failed.

Words matter, as Obama said on the campaign trail. But when it comes to his detention and counterterrorism policies, his actions are speaking louder. No More 'Enemy Combatants' -- But Is Obama Merely Rebranding Bush's 'War on Terror'.
Reforming the Patriot act. Is the Stimulus Bill the Patriot Act of the Obama Administration? Is this conspiracy or fact?

As I read this, I was mostly nodding in agreement. But Obama's evolving views on corporate patriotism have got me wondering. Can a man who grasps the value of markets economy and shows some deference to economic laws really believe that this this new proposal, is a good idea?

[edit on 22-3-2009 by wonderworld]

posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 07:15 PM
I love being a Moron by posting outdated threads. I do wonder how S277 HB1388, and the patriot act fit together.

I guess we will see if this bill expires in Dec. 2009. Perhaps we will have the Patriot act 3. This Obama Civilian National Secuity force is BS! Not too patriotic if you ask me.

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