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If it was me, I would insist that all minors be released before any negotiations can begin. Children should not be used as political prisoners.
Britain-based Save the Children organization revealed facts described as "shocking" related to incarceration conditions of Palestinian children in Israeli occupation jails for political reasons, pointing out that the most disturbing phenomenon observed by international organization was that Israel arrests children and issues sentences against them harsher than others.
According to the organization, the IOF troops kidnapped 6,000 Palestinian children since the beginning of the Aqsa Intifada eight years ago, and there are currently more than 320 children detained in Israeli jails, adding that the IOA detains on average about 700 children every year.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by IAF101
Facts or Proof ? You think the pathetic news articles you presented here as Proof or Fact ? It would be asinine to assume so.
As it is to assume that people are going to take the view of a self-affirmed Israel apologist/Zionist-supporter with any shred of credibility, when talking about Israel's contributions to the peace process.
At least I'm referencing what I'm saying, instead of just pulling it out of my rectum and presenting it on a platter.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Yeah, yeah, yeah... the Mainstream Media is all bunch of no-good, liberal, terrorist sympathisers, so which sources would you take seriously?
Ehud Olmert? Tzipi Livni? The words of IDF?
Who all have it in their best interests to blame absolutely everything on Hamas and absolve themselves of any wrongdoing, and to keep prying eyes away from freakishly, Nazi-like tactics used in Gaza.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Oh thank you for making it clear you were a fanatical Zionist!
We are all in your debt.
Nobody on this thread could have guessed. Your so open-minded and rational and display a stunning sense of compassion.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Please stop quoting history when you have no knowledge of it.
Hitler came to power via emergency powers (the Enabling Act) granted to him after he STAGED THE REICHSTAG FIRE, and blamed it on alleged "Communist" elements within Germany and proclaimed a state of Martial Law.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
The German people NEVER elected him as Chancellor and they never had the chance to elect another political party before he abolished them all, and turned Germany into a dictatorship.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Stop equating the actions of the government so directly to the citizenry, unless you also presume every Israeli citizen is a war criminal by virtue of the actions perpetrated by the IDF on direct orders from their government?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
I know the IDF may present a good case for exterminating civilian populations in warfare (i.e. something along the lines of Hamas= every Civilian) but down here on Earth, that's shared by both left and right-wingers as a war crime and total miscarriage of justice, even in chaotic warfare.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
I corrected your above quote to reflect what you actually meant to say, since you are, as you claim, "a man of your word, who doesn't mince them".
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
I'll take your whackjob logic and say: "The Israeli people deserve every rocket attack that lands in Israel for making the wrong choice and supporting their government's criminal, military actions, which have resulted in over 1,000 Palestinian deaths."
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
When's the last time you took a look at a map?
No need to put it in quotes, once the Israelis cross the Palestinian authority border they are illegally occupying another country.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Yeah that's why they're organising massive "We're Sorry" rallies all across the United States this year, in order to exonerate themselves of the travesty of re-electing George Bush twice and to apologise for the Iraq War.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Yeah APART from the 60% or so of the population who protested all over Washington against Vietnam,
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Oh our "mighty" sense of responsibility sure did keep us from bailing out on Iraq; the Bush Administration's responsibilities to the Petroleum Industry and their neck-deep-in-Oil Republican friends like Dick Cheney prevented us from leaving Iraq until we've sucked them dry of any black gold.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Yeah nobody but me believes in this, expect 4 independent survey groups who all concur with their "statistical hearsay":
www.alertnet.org...
www.huffingtonpost.com...
www.projectcensored.org...
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Yes. "Elected".
The same way President Obama "chose" Rahm Emmanuel to be White House Chief of Staff, and didn't do it because he was bowing to overwhelming pressure from Jewish Lobbyist groups
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
This IS premeditated. That's what you, my tightly blindfolded, Zionist friend, fail to realise.
The Knesset had the Gaza Offensive in the works and on the shelves since 2007, desperately baiting Hamas and waiting for them to step up their attacks in response to constant Israeli aggression so they could use it as justification to launch another collective punishment operation just in time for the 2008 Israeli elections, to garner support for the right-wing parties.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Firstly, Hamas is not recognized as a government by Israel.
Yeah and?
So this gives them to right to waltz into the Palestinian authority and do as they please?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Not recognising a legitimately elected government is one thing, not recognising basic human morality in warfare is another.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Just because they see Hamas as an illegitimate government doesn't mean they can wipe the Palestinians off the map.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Hamas doesn't view Israel as legitimate either, does that give them the right to kill Israeli citizens too?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Hypocrisy seems to be the mantra of your bizarre logic.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Grow up.
And 50% of the American population isn't obese, they're just "well-rounded".
Twist and spin the terms around whichever way you like, but if it quacks like a duck... then guess what?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Just the like Nazis were well within their God given rights to round up every Communist, Jew, Gypsy and Slav in Germany and send them to concentration camps because they were all collectively responsible for setting the Reichstag ablaze.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
I suppose you consider the American colonial militias who waged a long campaign to free America from the British monarchy terrorists as well, no doubt?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
No one else in their right mind, in the world asserts the right to kill the civilians of another country for electing a particular government who's foreign policy they disagree with.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
What was Caesar's quote again... "The conquered emulate the conqueror".
People like you are just helping me to realise this especially applies to the case of the Jewish population of Europe who suffered at the hands of the Nazis, and their subsequent brutal actions after founding the state of Israel.
The oppressed will resist. That's not Islam, Hamas or the Palestinians talking; that's human friggin' nature.
Originally posted by The Godfather of ConspiraOf course they'll do whatever's within their power to stop their children and land being taken away by an illegal occupying power.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
What should they be doing Mr. Armchair General?
Bending over and taking it like a man? Waving Israeli flags?
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
The same reason the people of Gaza don't need to subjected to the collective punishment of the IDF, for the actions of a military wing of Hamas they have absolutely no control over.
Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
They're certainly not worth 1,500 Palestinian lives any day of the week.
14 dead Israelis. 1,500 (or more, we'll never know) dead Palestinians.
How can you possibly rationalise that? You call that unfair?
Hamas doesn't even have 1,500 members within it's ranks. 1 Israeli life is never worth more than any other Palestinian life.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Well, sounds like you are both even, because Israel is an illegal government which Hamas does not recognize. Israel too was born of terrorist groups, as opposed to the Palestinians who were forced into terrorism, because of how Israel was born through terrorism…
You reap what you sew!
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
By the way I was born in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, of Irish/English/Polish ancestry and I don’t really recognize Israel’s right to exist,
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
first and foremost for the political deceptions involved in the Balfour agreement, and furthermore because the Zionists broke the treaties that allowed for their immigration and peaceful settlement, by using terrorism against the lawful British authorities and the indigenous Palestinians.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Alright now, did Israel give land to the Palestinians or not to for their own state?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Because if they did, they aren’t Israel’s borders, and that would be an issue between Gaza and Egypt who share that international border, now if they didn’t actually cede Palestinians the land for a self governed state then yes, they would be Israel’s borders but it would have just exposed yet another Israeli/Zionist lie to go along with about 100 years of nothing but lies.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Yes I do believe they expected retaliations in the hopes of exposing mentalities, predilections and lies like the ones you have done such a great job hastily explaining. I personally think, because I have personally witnessed, Israel loosing more and more grassroots support every day and I think Hamas is playing your predisposed ever so predictable responses and reactions like a fiddle, to finally cut Israel off from the financial and military support that allows them to break every promise, conduct terrorist campaigns, murder international diplomats, steal land and abuse human rights. What a pity that Hamas or anyone would take objection to such behavior let alone risk life and limb to try to see that it stops?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Interesting analogy, of course by those standards anyone on the loosing end of a political struggle deserves to die…so if the Jews lost and suffered in the Holocaust it was deserved?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
After all the Jews who decided to stop supporting the German state that they lived in after the Balfour Declaration and made direct international appeals to Jews throughout the world doing business with the Kaiser’s government and funding their war effort, who then later used their control of the German State’s Central Bank to grin the German War Machine starved of funding to a halt, so England could win on the European Battlefield and go conquest Palestine and to defeat the Ottoman Turks who ruled it so Jews could immigrate into Palestine, and of course the Jews that once again used their control of the Central German Reserve Bank to force Germany to accept the bankrupting and humiliating terms of the Treaty of Versailles, negotiated in the very home of the Lord Rothschild the Balfour Declaration was personally addressed to, and the Jews who then tried to usher Communism into the German State in the economic chaos left by the treaty, might have kind of then deserved the retribution the German State meted out to them, according to your philosophy of kick the dog expect it to bite you?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I just so love the insane and perverted double standards employed by Israel and it’s supporters in every last repugnant and vile thing they do! It really reaffirms my faith that cesspools will always exist.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Thankfully the lack of civilized manners, social norms, honor, and diplomatic skills that don’t center on political extortion and financial manipulation will no doubt as they always have throughout history leave Israel in ruins and the Jews of the world looking for another outhouse to turn into a cesspool. You certainly have done an exemplary job at making the Middle East a beautiful, tranquil and wonderfully safe place to live. Keep up what you call the good work!
Pretty soon no one will recognize Israel’s right to exist. And of course as you say, thank yourself!
Originally posted by Terapin
do you think Israel would end their aggression,
the system of Apartheid,
illegal occupation of Palestinian territory?
Israel is attacking fishermen near the West Bank, where Hamas is not active,
When the jews in Nazi Warsaw ghettos fought back, they were called Freedom Fighters. This is the exact same thing that Palestinians living inside the Gaza concentration camp are doing. Fighting against oppression, for their very survival.
Bishop Desmond Tutu
Nelson Mandela
1600 or 16 million it doesnt matter. Those 8 lives are to Israel worth more than all the Arab lives on the planet.
I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart from the practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain -- especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight without a Jewish state.57
Wrong, its you reap what your sow!
Also you are wrong that we are "even". Israel is not Hamas. Israel is recognized by the UN, EU, the US, Russia, etc. Also, unlike Hamas, Israel is not a terrorist organization.
Israel was born of persecuted people who realized quickly that the British were untrustworthy in their claims and wouldnt hold to their word. They used force and violence to drive the British and their colonial mindset out of Israel after the Jews had been back stabbed by the British in some pathetic attempt to hold on to another colony. After the British fled, the Arabs decided to annex the entire region and massacre the Jews. This led to the war in 1956 where the Jews fought 5 Arab states and defeated them to form the state of Israel through blood and sacrifice.
Palestinians on the other hand are the useless refugees that no other Arab states would take back after their failed invasion of Israel.
I couldnt care less who you are and where your from or what you think.
Lawful British authorities ??
What is that ? The British were the first to break the Balfour agreement by creating the state of Jordan. Next they continued to pervert even the spirit of the agreement by not relinquishing control of the region to the settlers and siding with the Arabs against the settlers.
No, not for their own state but rather to govern themselves independent of Israeli control.
It would be a lie if they said it was to make a separate state for themselves. They never said that. The border between Egypt and Gaza is Israel's border as well. Gaza is merely a self governing territory, not a state of its own in any way shape of form. Israel has never said that they were to be an independent state with borders. The only lie is believing they said otherwise.
Please spare us your wet dream of how Israel is being exposed as some conspirator and some villain! Your warped understanding is quite predictable for somebody who has deep rooted bigotry against Jews to the extent they would support flagrant terrorist actions against civilians. Such bigoted and dubious arguments I've heard plenty from racists and the paranoid.
Unless you have some concrete facts to substantiate your fantastical allegations of "lies" and such, it is all merely slander and propaganda.
No, again you are incorrect. I said, that people are responsible for the actions of those they put into power. I never said they deserved to die. As for the Jews of Germany, many of them aware of the Nazi government moved to other region of Europe or accepted the bigotry that came along with Nazi rule. A few remained in the hope that Nazi rule would pass and accepted their fates as second class citizens.
As for the facts, they are fantastical and incredulous as with all anti-Semetic drivel put out by the Nazi's where the Jews were secretly colluding to bring down the German state for world domination or some such ludicrous agenda. If this were really the case why all those Jews not vacate Europe after the Balfour declaration and why did they stick around for the Holocaust ? The reason quite simply is because there was no grand conspiracy and no grand agenda as your nazi propaganda would allude. And if it were true they would have deserved the ostracism and bigotry that followed but before that can you prove that it was true ?? Without proving any of it to be true it is clear that they didnt deserve the Holocaust.
As opposed to the insane and perverted double standards of Nazi bigots ?? I agree cesspool will always exist. They exist within the blatantly bigoted from whom your champion.
Alas, with there being fewer and fewer people of your kind, your predictions of doom and gloom for Israel and Jews world wide are rapidly fading away. Thanks, in part to Mossasd, Yad Va Shem and people like Simon Wiesenthal etc people with your beliefs have their days numbered.
Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Terapin
You make some good points, however...
1) Hamas broke the cease fire by firing rockets and mortars into Israel.
Israel "responded" to the attacks and it built up to the attack on Gaza.
[edit on 3/24/2009 by mrmonsoon]
So if someone disagree's with your opinion, they are a zionist sock puppet?
This post is about the Hamas terrorists, Israeli victims of their terror and Egypt helping stop weapons and bombs getting to Hamas terrorists.
"give up your personal uninformed propaganda" Personal attacks are not TAC and should not be allowed in any post-PLEASE remember this.