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911 facts even Alex Jones doesn't discuss...

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posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 03:09 PM
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Maybe you care to provide what mepatriot seems to not want to:

quoted by seekerofYour 'exclusive' reports have the vectored intercept aircraft coming out from which bases? Fuel loads? Consumption rates? Distances? Length of time of intercept flights taking off from the time that the verification process and intercept orders were issued and transmitted to the inceptor bases?



as quoted by SkepticOverlord
How far from relaxed pilot not on alert, to flight-suit-ready in a fueled and armed fighter jet?

How far from startled air traffic control/NORAD to alerting the commander of the relaxed fighter pilot?



The assertion that you claim William is reference to what?
Again, no one within the staff cares if you and others want to talk about 9/11 and the events surrounding it till your blue in the faces. The issue is as SkepticOverlord mentioned earlier today and I mentioned in another thread yesterday.....a special thread was made for that SOLE purpose, with virtually every thread within ATS related to 9/11 and such events within it. The thread was created for the discussion to be held within it and thus allowing for re-re-re-re-re-re-hashed topics or even supposedly "new" evidences to be presented. It was created for, as quoted:

From a pure usability standpoint, it's much more effective to have a mega-thread focused on intense discussion of a singular topic, than dozens of short threads that skirt subordinate issues of that topic.

Thread Closings


So your point is what?


seekerof

[Edited on 21-4-2004 by Seekerof]




posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by browha

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
July 17, 1996. TWA 800 took off from JFK Airport on Wednesday evening, July 17, 1996, and exploded a few minutes later over the Atlantic Ocean, near Long Island. Swiss Air 111 took off from the same airport on Wednesday evening, 9/2,(9+2=11) 1998, and went down in flames into the Atlantic Ocean off the province of Nova Scotia, Canada. The number of weeks between these two accidents is exactly 111, the same as the Swiss Air flight number. Tuesday 9/11 2001


Anyway..
What relevance is the aircrash?

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I think they're trying to show the relevance of the numbers here.... the flight numbers and the number of weeks between the two and the date..



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 03:22 PM
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i'd just like to say google isnt a very good deep research tool. it only indexes popular sites, ie, sites which have been hit lots. this is obviously a narrowing cascade effect of information referencing. i'd recommend you seek other search tools to complement google.



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by innkue
i'd just like to say google isnt a very good deep research tool. it only indexes popular sites, ie, sites which have been hit lots. this is obviously a narrowing cascade effect of information referencing. i'd recommend you seek other search tools to complement google.


google is your best friend, just need to know how find what you want



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 03:36 PM
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It seems obvious whats going on here.
I can 'debunk' the official story every bit as well as some people seem to be 'debunking' the theory.
What FACTS has the gov produced to support their claim? Where is THAT thread?


as quoted by SkepticOverlord
How far from relaxed pilot not on alert, to flight-suit-ready in a fueled and armed fighter jet?


Well, considering thats THEIR JOB, and in so much as it is THIER JOB im sure they train for 'rapid response'.
It goes beyond reason to think that they were sleepy, or needed fuel in their planes, or any of the other ASSUMPTIONS. What you really need to ask yourself is whats norads explenation.
Oh, they themselves dont have one??
Thats odd.



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by aware
What you really need to ask yourself is whats NORAD's explenation.




I have waited to here one. Why didn't NORAD do anything? They have responded within minutes in other scenarios but not this one. This took hours, even though it was the most important thing they could've stopped.



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 03:45 PM
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My pleasure, Mepatriot.

Here is my favorite 9/11, summed up. This is a list of things that happened on that day, it also has a page of events leading up to and occurances afterwords.

www.unansweredquestions.net...

This link has been posted befpre on other threads, but Ill gladly post it for you for quick reference, so you have a better source of links should the "nay" crowd wish for links proving this and that.

This site is great, as it doesnt veer into some of the crazier theories, it simply lists the facts, and links to the news and govornment sources it got its information from. Id bookmark it, because it has links to other places and such that can be very useful for anyone desiring the truth behind 9/11.

www.twa800.com...

And there is a site for TWA flight 800 research, rpoviding an entire archive and library, including press releases from back then, that clearly show that it did not simply explode due to a bad fuel tank.

I have long been looking for a link between 9/11 and flight 800, because something about the two tradgedies makes me think one might have been a predecesor to another, or there were some thick common threads.

Have fun reading them, they provide alot of info to help arm you with those who still believe the govornment side, essential weapons to have in battling the "debunkers".

Keep of the suspicion and paranoia, it shall serve you well as it has me!





posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 03:49 PM
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Thanks Skadi! REally helpful. I have never been able to get the connect between flight 800 and 9/11 out of my head, I will have a look at the site



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:06 PM
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Well I didnt read all nine pages, so this may be redundant, but did want to throw in a link...

www.tbtf.com...


CNN is listed, as the 110th floor resident. Although maybe not the actual 'HQ' as we all know that is in Atlanta. But a NY office maybe?



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by smirkley
Well I didnt read all nine pages, so this may be redundant, but did want to throw in a link...

www.tbtf.com...


CNN is listed, as the 110th floor resident. Although maybe not the actual 'HQ' as we all know that is in Atlanta. But a NY office maybe?


Been shown that it was a 200 square foot room (my dorm room is a bit less than 200 sq. ft, and it is no office
). Surely not big enough to be an office. What it was most likely is a small technical room for their transmitter on the buildings roof.

[Edited on 4-21-2004 by Esoterica]

[Edited on 4-21-2004 by Esoterica]



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:11 PM
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smirkley it has been cleared up:

CNN had 200 sq feet of space leased in the North Tower, enough for their antenna It was an Unmanned Technical Station with no employees. It was not an office or newsroom or headquarters of any kind.



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:20 PM
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Can someone answer this question:

At what point did any of the aircraft sqwak the distress code on their IFF or make a declaration over the radio?

If someone can point me to the text of the radio traffic or proof of what the transpoders were transmitting I would appreciate it.

As far as answering the question about the fighter pilots not getting to the scene on time I will say this. The closest thing to compare them to are firefighters. Firefighters sometimes get to a fire too late to do anything other than let it burn itself out, yet no one blames them for not doing enough.



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf Hence seekerof, why William is incoorect in is assumption that we have concluded anything.
I never said anything has been concluded at all! Who's putting words in my mouth?!



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:36 PM
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I am sorry the link did not work...

That is a MAJOR PROBELM with internet research, You absolutely must make hard copies of anything on the net that is important, as I have done. I apologize for not having a scanner, but as addressed before, I can probably get something scanned through my wife's employer's scanner at school, if somebody demands proof that I am not making up evidence. (This can not be done until Monday, as the school is locked up for April recess until then.) So, what does anyone demand to see proof of?...I'll make a list, if I have the hard copy I will attempt to scan it.

Remember too, the 200 SF thing could very easily be planted information. Unless someone shows me a hard copy print off with the date on it from September, 2001 or before, IMO, IT HAS NOT BEEN DEFINITIVELY SHOWN AS OF YET THAT CNN DID NOT HAVE A MAJOR OFFICE OF SOME SORT ON FLOOR 110.

RE: The lack of interceptors. That has been rehashed here on ATS aplenty. I DID NOT RAISE IT ON THIS THREAD, as this thread is for new 911 materials only. Do not come to me (as some already have) asking for proof on this topic. I would submit Col. Donn de GrandPre's name (USAF-ret.) who would be an excellent source of information on that topic.

For what it's worth it is my firm belief that the Pentagon object could/should have been intercepted.

[Edited on 21-4-2004 by mepatriot]



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by mepatriot
RE: The lack of interceptors. That has been rehashed here on ATS aplenty. I DID NOT RAISE IT ON THIS THREAD, as this thread is for new 911 materials only.
Things can be added.
For what it's worth it is my firm belief.
Thats all any of us go on when we are with out proof.



So, is this all the misinfomation you want to spread? Or is there more?

[Edited on 21-4-2004 by SpittinCobra]



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:47 PM
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Does nobody have any information as to whether or not the folks involved in the 9/11 disaster could have tried to get out on the roof? I seem to remember a cell call transcipt something to the effect that the route up from the floors above impact to the roof had been blocked with debris. I do not have that document in front of me though. What does anyone else recall?? TIA.

It looks from the news chopper video footage as though a rescue attempt by air could have been made (with large military transport choppers, for example) on the upwind side of the smoke plumes.

[Edited on 21-4-2004 by mepatriot]



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:53 PM
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I will say this ....when this happened i remember seeing live footage of people on the roof and kept saying to my self why doesnt somebody with some cahones land a copter on that roof and get those people off !!!!



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by mepatriot Remember too, the 200 SF thing could very easily be planted information.
Planted for what purpose. The 110th floor of the north tower is right under what was the most dense collection of transmission antennas in the north east. Certainly there was a need for a lot of floor space devoted to radio equipment and the like. Face it... your claim went from HQ, to NYC HQ, to NYC Office, to broom closet pretty quickly. 200 square feet is not an office.

IMO, IT HAS NOT BEEN DEFINITIVELY SHOWN AS OF YET THAT CNN DID NOT HAVE A MAJOR OFFICE OF SOME SORT ON FLOOR 110.
It certainly has. You just deny it because it doesn't fit into your contrived story.

For what it's worth it is my firm belief that the Pentagon object could have been/should have been intercepted.
Could have and should have certainly. The people in the seats at the controls at the time simply were unable to fathom this type of attack... we're unable to think that way. There are dozens upon dozens of issues of concern related to 9/11. I experienced the attacks first hand, and the weeks of aftermath here in NYC. Due to the unfortunate issues of far too many websites posting fallacies about the events, there are a lot of confused people looking down the wrong paths attempting to find some kernel of truth. The CNN closet on the 110th floor is not related to any kernel of truth. We viciously debunked your claims to lay open the very real possibility your research is incomplete and inaccurate. This is how real research and peer review happens. One line, often repeated throughout history, and made famous by a real conspiracy, rings true now, and into the future, "follow the money". (And one bizarre character from ATS about 9 months ago) There's no money to follow in the CNN closet on the 110th floor. There's no money to follow in the passenger manifest on the airlines. There's no money to follow in inaccurate numerology around the number 11. Time and time again, history has taught us one reliable fact about all conspiracies that end up being reality... the money trail tells the tale. If you want to expend your energies on this topic in a constructive way that may return results, learn from history and alter your angle of approach. If there is a conspiracy to be found, money will be involved, and the trail will lead you to your answers.



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by mepatriot Does know one have any information as to whether or not the folks involved in the 9/11 disaster could have tried to get out on the roof?
Yes. The intense thermal updrafts from the heat made it impossible. Not to mention the crowded roof surface didn't have a landing spot, and the smoke made it impossible to see with clarity. New York 1 (the local version of CNN here) ran a story on the pilots of two police helicopters who made repeated attempts to get close enough to lower rope ladder or a line. It just wasn't possible.



posted on Apr, 21 2004 @ 05:01 PM
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I have offered you enough proof to show that CNN had a transmitter antenna and room consisting of only 200 square feet on the 110th floor of the north tower of WTC.

worldtradeaftermath.com...

www.newyorkrelief.com...

www.jsonline.com...

www.pebbleford.co.uk...

here's more
www.netfeed.com...

www.fybush.com...

no offense mepatriot, but you need to get over the CNN conspiracy part of your claim...you may carry on with the rest of your issues, but this one really should be dead now.



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