Bart Sibrel on Coast To Coast AM last night: Wow! Just... Wow!

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

LOL -- looks like you've got your own posse who are following your every utterance and showering your explanations with stars -- 9 stars in 10 minutes. Very impressive!

I noticed that too. I wonder what kind of conspiracy that alludes to?
It's so contrived that it makes me wonder about the whole thing. They almost had me leaning to the official story but now the BS meter is cranking up.

I feel ya.

It is almost as if you know to take a harder look when it is so important to attempt to bury it doesn't it?

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Yeah, you guys are absolutely right. It's a conspiracy that people give me stars. And I get paid millions a year to post things on here to try to distract people.

I wonder what kind of conspiracy it is when people give posts dozens of stars in a few minutes and it has already been ripped apart.

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Wow, so because MANY people agree with his post, there must be some posse lining up to star him regardless of what he says?

Notice that your very own post regarding it has 4 stars at the moment, so you got you own posse then too huh?...how cute...

Originally posted by Phage
Before the Apollo program:
The Mercury program put 6 astronauts beyond the atmosphere, 4 of them into orbit.
There were 10 Gemini missions, putting 20 astronauts into orbit.

Apollo 7 was an Earth orbital mission. Apollo 8, 9, and 10 orbited the Moon without landing.

Is it really that easy to ignore history? With this level of ignorance it's no wonder people can believe Sibrel and his ilk.

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We sent six flights to the moon without one time even sending an unmanned ship to the moon and back (that landed). When our men touched foot on the moon (supposedly), it was the first we had a clue what the moon's surface was like. They say there was talk of dust a mile thick, that the ship would sink into moon dust from eons of moon dust landing on the moon.

Maybe NASA was willing to send men to the moon not knowing anything about what they would encounter and try to land them in that hting with the roofing paper and gold foil and the spider legs with the big pieplates at the bottom, but I am 100 percent certain nobody would actually agree to climb in that thing and fly it on down to the moon under those conditions (or any other conditions really).

I might not have been an A student in physics, but you just can't convince me anybody would trust that thing to land on the moon.

I guarantee you that if and when we ever do go to the moon, or maybe someday God will let us fly over on our angel wings to check it out, it will be NOTHING like we've been led to believe by the NASA hoaxters.

There are so many anomalies. The whole entire thing is an anomaly, just the fakiness of how the astroNOTs spoke and acted, not at all like men who were truly on the moon. Their voices were flat and bored and SCRIPTED. They had that nasal fakey way of talking like people do in the military when they are speaking to civilians. Flat and nasal and rigid and PROGRAMMED.

I correspond quite a lot with a physicist who assures me we did not go to the moon. Not only that he said we never landed any unmanned satellites or spacecraft on Mars either, or got anyplace near it.

Everything NASA does is lies. The shuttle is just to keep reminding people that when you get so far out from earth you become weightless, to make people think this is all Star Trekky.

It's all a mind control game to get us to accept interplanetary travel as being possible so they can spring their frankenstein monsters on us (the ones they've been breeding underground by mixing genes from all kinds of species, including demonic) and tell us they are aliens from outer space.

Pseudoscience. How convenient that they lost all the tapes and the plans for their miracle ships that performed a feat, SIX TIMES, that 50 years later cannot be duplicated and NASA tells us they don't plan to attempt until 2020 AFTER they have conducted more research, research they never did before the first flights, research they did not bother conducting during any of the flights, but NOW 50 years later they think are necessary.

We never went to the moon. Don't bother with the lame excuses about how they already did what they wanted to do the first time and now they want to stay longer and won't be going back until they can stay four or five days instead of only three days on the moon.

Three days on the moon. In that spider-legged contraption, with no place to go to the bathroom except in their suits. Three days. With radiation beating down and no atmosphere to shield them from it. With a temperature of close to 300 degrees F.

Yeah. Sure they did. They took their tomaguchi gigapet computer technology (which they didn't even have it

that

advanced, to get them to the moon and back, and even to accomplish a hook up with the "mother ship" launching off the moon in their spider legged roofing paper contraption.

And when the aliens come to get us, they will be flying in things beyond anything the shuttle can do with its obsolete parts they have to order off e-bay, because the U.S. does in fact possess amazing technology that will shock us when they pull the curtain off for us to behold it all. And they will offer all this technology, stolen from inventors topside who were bought off and/or murdered all these years, used in their underground military cities and breeding plantations where they torture kids and women and breed monsters, and tell us this all comes from our friends from Mars, the poor creatures who are the result of the Nazi test tubes, the ones that look like they are part animal, part human, part bug, and part lizard. And if we will just go ahead and believe that life is a total accident and that this is how evolution took place on Mars with these aliens, and if we will just get on with the New World Order and kiss up to these people and sell our souls and get microchipped and worship the state -- that we can have free energy and miracle technologies and sit down next to one of these creatures at dinner also.

This is NASA -- Nazi Association of Shyster Artists


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The Ranger and Lunar Orbiter missions provided necessary photographic and other data about the moon. There were a total of 9 Ranger missions and 5 orbiter missions.

These were followed by 7 Surveyor missions, 5 of which successfully landed and did not sink into the surface. After landing, Surveyor 6 used its engines to launch and relocate itself a short distance from its first landing point.

The Apollo missions were not carried out in complete ignorance. Unlike some of the statements made here.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

Wow, so because MANY people agree with his post, there must be some posse lining up to star him regardless of what he says?

Notice that your very own post regarding it has 4 stars at the moment, so you got you own posse then too huh?...how cute...

But his stars are gratis. Nobody paid anybody to click on the stars.

Do you know anything at all about how much the Pentagon and NASA spend for disinformation propaganda each year? Did you see Citizen Soldier propaganda commercials during the Super Bowl? Did you ever see all the papes of duplicated moon hoax debunking sites on Google you have to plow through to find the good sites on the moon hoax? Then they have Bad Astronomy, funded and sponsored by NASA. Then there's that Mormon guy with all his artwork and doctored NASA photos that they sponsor and use his art to promote themselves. It's just Disneyland, only not as well done as Disneyland, and much more expensive than Disneyland. But it's still brainwashing and fantasy just like Disneyland.

The government (ie the offshore Zionist bankster criminals) find it much cheaper to pay the media and Internet debunkers than to hire police and military right now to crush a public uprising that would result if the matrix of government lies and deceit were ever exploded.

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Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Except they still avoid the question as to how NASA could've "lost" 13,000 original tapes of EVERY Apollo mission. First they lie and say the tapes were found. When that deception is countered, they say only the Apollo 11 mission tapes were "lost."

I've answered this many times already on this thread, you just keep repeating the lie anyway having full knowledge of the truth. I said some of the telemetry tapes were found, then you distorted the truth by selectively quoting to make it seem like they weren't.

So quoting John Sarkissian of CSIRO is "selectively quoting?"

Apollo TV tapes: the search continues
by Leonard David
SPACE.com Senior Space Writer
posted: November 3, 2006

Vintage Apollo space missions tapes uncovered at a university in Western Australia are not what a team of experts are trying to locate.

"These aren't the tapes we're looking for," said John Sarkissian, operations scientist at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization's (CSIRO) Parkes Radio Observatory in Parkes, Australia.

Originally posted by ngchunter
Keep repeating that lie, maybe eventually someone sitting on the fence will believe you. I can only hope not.

Hope you don't mind if I (and others) believe the Associated Press quoting Goddard's Richard Nafzger and NASA's Stan Lebar instead of constant lies and disinformation from ATS' professional debunkers:

NASA Searching for Moon Landing Tapes
NASA launches official search for more than 13,000 original tapes of Apollo moon missions

WASHINGTON, Aug. 16, 2006

(AP) Red-faced because the best pictures of its glory days are missing, NASA said Tuesday it was launching an official search for more than 13,000 original tapes of the historic Apollo moon missions.

What's missing are the never-before-broadcast clear original videos _ not the grainy converted pictures the world watched on television more than three decades ago.

The tapes aren't lost, insists the NASA official put in charge of the search. But he doesn't know where they are.

Most likely they are somewhere at the sprawling Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., which misplaced the tapes originally. But they also could be stored somewhere else.

The original video, taken directly from the moon and beamed to deep space network observatories in Australia, has never been seen by the general public or even NASA officials.

The entire world watched fuzzy, ghostlike images of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walking on the moon. But only a handful of technicians saw the good stuff live, sharp enough to see Armstrong's reflection in Aldrin's faceplate, said Stan Lebar, the retired Apollo television camera manager.

"The quality ... is two, three or four times better than we ever saw," said Richard Nafzger, a senior engineer at Goddard who on Tuesday was put in charge of the search effort.

The original tapes played 10 frames per second in Australia, Nafzger said. But television needed 60 frames per second so each picture was repeated six times and "you'd see ghosting," he said.

Until Tuesday, the search for the tapes was a spare-time deal and retirement hobby for Nafzger and the 81-year-old Lebar _ not anything organized. Now with news reports of the lost tapes and NASA wanting data for its new lunar missions, the agency ordered a search of its cosmic attics.

Nafzger hopes the hunt can be wrapped up in under six months with five workers and a bit of travel. Stored in more than 2,000 boxes, each tape lasts only 15 minutes. Everything from all 11 missions - from launch to splashdown - is on the videos, Lebar said.

There are 15 reels (three boxes) for just Apollo 11's stay on the moon, Lebar said.

"It's the whole history of the entire mission, of everything that went on," Lebar said.

And they're somewhere, but no one knows where...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Salt of the Earth

 

The Ranger and Lunar Orbiter missions provided necessary photographic and other data about the moon. There were a total of 9 Ranger missions and 5 orbiter missions.

These were followed by 7 Surveyor missions, 5 of which successfully landed and did not sink into the surface. After landing, Surveyor 6 used its engines to launch and relocate itself a short distance from its first landing point.

The Apollo missions were not carried out in complete ignorance. Unlike some of the statements made here.

Were any of these unmanned flights able to come back to earth and land in the ocean?

Answer: No.

We sent men to the moon without one time ever landing anything on the moon, even a 10 pound bowling ball, on the moon and bringing it back first.

You do know the government lies. A lot. Don't you?

Remember 9/11? Remember the JFK assassination? Do you know anything about the USS Liberty?

The government is in the lying and scamming business, and it is plain and obvious they are geering up for a FAKE ALIEN INVASION.

But you NASA guys here will all fall for it like a ton of bricks. Why don't you just go get your microchip now and get it over with.



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Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
We sent six flights to the moon without one time even sending an unmanned ship to the moon and back (that landed).

Awfully arbitrary criteria combined with disinformation. We landed on the moon already with unmanned probes. We knew what the surface was like because we studied it there with unmanned probes like Surveyor I already linked you to.

you just can't convince me

That much is obvious.

There are so many anomalies. The whole entire thing is an anomaly, just the fakiness of how the astroNOTs spoke and acted, not at all like men who were truly on the moon.

Yeah, like we should trust you as an expert on what astronauts sound like... They sounded just like they do today. Go watch some NASA tv. Again, by your logic the shuttle is a fake.

I correspond quite a lot with a physicist who assures me we did not go to the moon. Not only that he said we never landed any unmanned satellites or spacecraft on Mars either, or got anyplace near it.

I feel bad that someone else filled your head with this silliness. By the way, amateur astronomers have spotted probes as they crashed into the moon at the end of their mission.
cosmonut.org...
Not to mention amateurs who spotted the deep impact probe hit comet Temple 1.

Everything NASA does is lies. The shuttle is just to keep reminding people that when you get so far out from earth you become weightless, to make people think this is all Star Trekky.

Wrong again. Once again a fundamental failure to understand basic physics. The reason you're weightless in orbit is because you're in perpetual free fall around the earth. Distance from the earth has nothing to do with it.

If you were being intellectually consistent and honest you'd have to conclude that the space shuttle is a hoax by your logic.

Pseudoscience. How convenient that they lost all the tapes and the plans for their miracle ships that performed a feat, SIX TIMES, that 50 years later cannot be duplicated

Oh it will be, but better than before.

research they never did before the first flights, research they did not bother conducting during any of the flights, but NOW 50 years later they think are necessary.

The reasons why have already been explained to you. Your choice to ignore it is your own mistake.

Three days on the moon. In that spider-legged contraption, with no place to go to the bathroom except in their suits.

They had a waste collection system external to their suits.

Three days. With radiation beating down and no atmosphere to shield them from it.

Nor does the ISS have an exterior atmosphere...

With a temperature of close to 300 degrees F.

Hence the gold foil and water evaporator system.

Yeah. Sure they did. They took their tomaguchi gigapet computer technology (which they didn't even have it

that

advanced, to get them to the moon and back, and even to accomplish a hook up with the "mother ship" launching off the moon in their spider legged roofing paper contraption.

Yes, it worked, it still works, you can test it with the real guidance software yourself:
nassp.sourceforge.net...

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Exactly, stars are free..everyone's opinions also cost nothing, a star is a sign of agreement of an opinion, nothing more.

Which is why I'm suprised at the amount of people jumping up and down about one post getting lot's of stars.

Who cares?

As for the rest of the stuff you're saying, well..again it's just an opinion

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
Were any of these unmanned flights able to come back to earth and land in the ocean?

Answer: No.

That was never the mission plan. What you fail to admit is that long before we landed on the moon, we practiced rendezvous in earth AND lunar orbit, as well as safely reentering earth's atmosphere directly from the moon.
nassp.sourceforge.net...
The hardware and software works perfectly as described by NASA.

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Yawn:
www.spacecraftfilms.com...
It's all there, save for the slow scan pre-conversion of apollo 11. The original data for all other missions are backed up in multiple libraries and archives.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Vintage Apollo space missions tapes uncovered at a university in Western Australia are not what a team of experts are trying to locate.

"These aren't the tapes we're looking for," said John Sarkissian, operations scientist at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization's (CSIRO) Parkes Radio Observatory in Parkes, Australia.

Perhaps what you failed to notice is that they DID recover VINTAGE APOLLO SPACE MISSION TAPES, just not THE pre-conversion apollo 11 footage whose ONLY copy lay somewhere in the other lost tapes. Contrary to what you insist, they did find some of the missing tapes, just not the ones they're trying to find.

Also in the story you selectively quoted and didn't link to:

The story that is now making the rounds, Sarkissian added, refers to copies of one-inch magnetic tapes recorded at the Carnarvon station in Western Australia. They contain data from Apollo 11's Early Apollo Surface Experiments Package (EASEP)-a set of scientific instruments emplaced at the Apollo 11 landing site by the astronauts.

Ooops, looks like they did find some of the missing tapes.

By the way, perhaps you should read this correction posted in wikipedia in 2006:

Correction — August 13, 2006
This article incorrectly reports that magnetic tapes of first moon landing and five other Apollo missions are missing. This is erroneous. Only the magnetic data tapes containing the recorded transmission from the moon's surface are missing. The data on these tapes includes the original slow-scan TV signals, plus voice and telemetry data of the first Apollo landing. The originally broadcast conversion of the slow-scan recordings of the landing are preserved at the National Archives.

en.wikinews.org...

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Originally posted by ngchunter
We landed on the moon already with unmanned probes. We knew what the surface was like because we studied it there with unmanned probes like Surveyor I already linked you to.

These probes crashed and burned and we could never even bring one back, not one.

Originally posted by ngchunter
The reason you're weightless in orbit is because you're in perpetual free fall around the earth. Distance from the earth has nothing to do with it.

So just send people up in low orbit and impress everybody with their weightlessness and people will think these guys are out near Mars someplace. It's just a propaganda ploy.

Originally posted by ngchunter
If you were being intellectually consistent and honest you'd have to conclude that the space shuttle is a hoax by your logic.

No, it's as you say, free fall simulating weightlessness, so it's real but it's also just for effect, for propaganda effect that is. That's the only purpose it serves.

Three days on the moon. In that spider-legged contraption, with no place to go to the bathroom except in their suits.

Originally posted by ngchunter
They had a waste collection system external to their suits.

Oh, NASA has a new story on that one then. The old story was they had special absorbent material.

Three days. With radiation beating down and no atmosphere to shield them from it. With a temperature of close to 300 degrees F.

Originally posted by ngchunter
Nor does the ISS have an exterior atmosphere... Hence the gold foil and water evaporator system.

Excuse me? Were the astroNOTs also wrapped in gold foil? And what's with the water evaporator system? You mean the lame story NASA says about discovering water on the moon, frozen in the shadows, and using that to help cool their backpacks?

Originally posted by ngchunter
Yes, it worked [the primitive computers], it still works, you can test it with the real guidance software yourself:
nassp.sourceforge.net...

Oh, they have software plans for the hookup with the mother ship that didn't get lost? They should hang on to that, put it in a safe or something. Maybe keep it down in one of their DUMBs.

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LOL -- looks like the Zaphod58 star posse realized that they overplayed their phony enthusiasm and have backed off.

And thanks to the NASA moon hoax defenders who doth protest too much, they've propelled this thread to the front page of ATS!

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth

These probes crashed and burned and we could never even bring one back, not one.

A few crashed but most were successful. They soft landed and send their pictures back to Earth.

Apollo 12 landed right next to Surveyor III. I know it won't mean much to you but here's a cool photo.



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Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
Were any of these unmanned flights able to come back to earth and land in the ocean?

Answer: No.

Originally posted by ngchunter
That was never the mission plan.

Right. Not necessary to test out bringing an unmanned anything back from the moon. Just risk the lives of men by sending them up in a contraption made of roofing paper and gold foil with a hand drawn paper flag and 'United States' scotch taped to it. Worse yet, use the scotch tape to also hold the lunar lanader together.

How stuuupid do you really think we are?


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Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by king9072

Before and after the apollo missions, we never left earth atmosphere, yet during the apollo missions we travel SEVERAL HUNDRED TIMES FARTHER than we had previously travelled, or since have travelled.... then we land on a rock, and then take off and fly that same distance back home again.

What?

Before the Apollo program:
The Mercury program put 6 astronauts beyond the atmosphere, 4 of them into orbit.
There were 10 Gemini missions, putting 20 astronauts into orbit.

Apollo 7 was an Earth orbital mission. Apollo 8, 9, and 10 orbited the Moon without landing.

Is it really that easy to ignore history? With this level of ignorance it's no wonder people can believe Sibrel and his ilk.

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Beyond the atmosphere, is this right next door to the moon? No.

And wait, did I not say before and after APOLLO MISSIONS? I think that would include 7 which is claimed to have orbited without landing.

And forgive me, I didn't mean to say earths atmosphere, I meant right outside earths atmosphere - obviously its not debated that we made it into space and earth orbit. Forgive my mistake. But what doesn't change is that BEFORE AND AFTER APOLLOS (yes that includes APOLLO 7) we never went those distances and thats the point I was trying to make.

Whats my opinion on if we landed on the moon? I am not sure, but based on the fact that practically none of the "official stories" of any major event in American history add up and are undisputed, I am sure it didn't happen quite like they claim.

Also, from '70 - '09 how many men have we sent to the moon? Honest question..

You > me.

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Originally posted by Salt of the Earth

Originally posted by ngchunter
We landed on the moon already with unmanned probes. We knew what the surface was like because we studied it there with unmanned probes like Surveyor I already linked you to.

These probes crashed and burned and we could never even bring one back, not one.

They were SUPPOSED to crash, they weren't designed to return to earth, there'd be no point.

So just send people up in low orbit and impress everybody with their weightlessness and people will think these guys are out near Mars someplace. It's just a propaganda ploy.

You're missing the point, which is that your knowledge of spaceflight is sorely lacking to be making such wild claims.

No, it's as you say, free fall simulating weightlessness,

Oh really? Because until I said anything it was distance from the earth... so which is it?

so it's real but it's also just for effect, for propaganda effect that is. That's the only purpose it serves.

Actually it's quite useful for scientific research, but seeing as how you didn't even understand how microgravity works, I'm not expecting you to understand the research that goes on either.

Oh, NASA has a new story on that one then. The old story was they had special absorbent material.

False dilemna, it's not "either/or" - the absorbant material was for their 6 hour spacewalks... which incidently they STILL do. Once again, if you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd have to conclude that the shuttle and ISS were also hoaxes.

Excuse me? Were the astroNOTs also wrapped in gold foil?

No, they were wrapped in reflective white garments and had their own internal water cooling system.

And what's with the water evaporator system? You mean the lame story NASA says about discovering water on the moon, frozen in the shadows, and using that to help cool their backpacks?

No. I'm not going to spoonfeed you the truth anymore since you spat out the other bites in my face. Go read for a while if you want to learn the truth:
www.astronautix.com...
www.nasa.gov...
apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.co.jp...
www.foge.org...

Oh, they have software plans for the hookup with the mother ship that didn't get lost?

You can build the apollo guidance computer for yourself. The AGC was developed by MIT, not by a business that has since gone out of business. Knock yourself out.
klabs.org...

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Apollo 7 remained in orbit for 11 days, the length of a lunar mission. Apollo 8 - 10 circled the moon and returned. The only thing missing was a landing. How do suggest they "practice" that?

What exactly would have been a good plan of action in your opinion?
Leave Earth orbit then come back? Go a little further, then come back? Why? There isn't much between Earth orbit and the Moon. What would have been the point?



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