Thank you for the definition; two more questions. I've also read that Adam had two wives however I've read the first was Lillith - who rebelled and was/in cahoots with Satan... any background on that?

Also, if a watcher is an earthbound male spirit is it possible that they are in human form? I think from what I read previously in this thread you implied that they are not. I'm a bit confused by what a watcher is v.s. a spirit v.s. a fallen one.

Originally posted by wlfbreeze71
Thank you for the definition; two more questions. I've also read that Adam had two wives however I've read the first was Lillith - who rebelled and was/in cahoots with Satan... any background on that?

Also, if a watcher is an earthbound male spirit is it possible that they are in human form? I think from what I read previously in this thread you implied that they are not. I'm a bit confused by what a watcher is v.s. a spirit v.s. a fallen one.

From my own experience, the idea that Lilith is the first wife is one of her lies. Lilith should be counted among the daughters of men. The thing about Satan is confusing to me and I haven't determined whether Lilith acts alone or under the direction of another.

Lilith is the mirror reflection of Eve; her lower self. To gain power Lilith knows she must get Adam first before he meets Eve. Lilith as the first wife is the Truth...in Hell.

A Watcher can appear in human form, as is the case of Tamerlane. But, they are bound in darkness forever. They watch for an opportunity to crossover into an appropriate Vessel. From what I can gather, for a watcher to live on the earth in human form they have to send a human soul to Hell to replace them. If they do not, they cannot stay here.

Interesting thread with a lot of opinions. So here is mine. I would have to guess that that there are as many varieties of unseen entities as there are Living creatures. Since they are unseen it would have to be difficult to differentiate between them, and what they do. I would not take any action until the spirit does something harmful. We can only guess what the intent of a spirit is. I would not want to beat up a friendly spirit. It would be like attacking the easter bunny because he doesn't know how to talk. That is my two cents.

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So, what's the difference between a ghost and a spirit or are they the same things?

Also, if Lilith was a wife of Adam (and I think you said human) could that play into the 'watcher' theory?

And I happen to agree more with the idea that there are as many unseen varieties of creatures as seen... so I'm a bit confused if you (Huck) think that the only spirits out there are the opposite of our self... if you subscribe to the belief that there are 'watchers' then how could you believe their aren't other spirits that manifest themselves into our lives. Maybe I read too fast and I misunderstood what you were saying, if so I apologize in advance.

Thank you for the info on the definition of what a 'watcher' is.

Originally posted by wlfbreeze71
So, what's the difference between a ghost and a spirit or are they the same things?

Also, if Lilith was a wife of Adam (and I think you said human) could that play into the 'watcher' theory?

And I happen to agree more with the idea that there are as many unseen varieties of creatures as seen... so I'm a bit confused if you (Huck) think that the only spirits out there are the opposite of our self... if you subscribe to the belief that there are 'watchers' then how could you believe their aren't other spirits that manifest themselves into our lives. Maybe I read too fast and I misunderstood what you were saying, if so I apologize in advance.

Thank you for the info on the definition of what a 'watcher' is.

I have no idea what is the difference between a ghost and spirit...they might be the same thing. I only use these terms because we are familiar with them.

Look straight ahead...what you are seeing is a smooth surface within which everything you call real occurs. On the other side of that surface is the dark, pitch black realm of a billion terrors...Each and everyday they attempt to tear through that surface and spill into this world...it is the realm of the Watchers; Lilith is their mother and Queen. They are the Serpents because like a serpent it finds a way through things which are sealed off. To pass through these surfaces requires faster than light travel, wormholes or something. Most people have to wait for death.

Perhaps there is just as much variety on that side as on this one...I've only seen a handful of the things that live on that side. I've seen the Qilin in a dream and some funky looking black dogs. I only have faint memories of the place...but little information from that side is available in this world, as not many people venture there.

I don't know how they first breached the surface...apparently it is possible to communicate across the barrier which separates our worlds, but I only have one theory regarding the physical breach. It involves a woman conceiving while menstruating.

I really don't know how to explain it...but I think Genesis did an adequate job. The Watchers are the offspring of Adam (sons of God) and Lilith (daughters of man). Lilith is Eve's reflection and is strongest in the third part of Eve.

From my own experience everything I have encountered in life is to teach me something about myself. Its about understanding who, what, why, when, how about you, not about someone else. I would imagine that if you are encountering spirits, ghosts, shadows, demons,etc. that they are yours and belong to you and you to them. That the world and what you perceive are ultimately your own creation and not someone elses.

If you call them, they will come.

There is so much violation of free will and universal law going on now more than ever that it doesn't surprise me one bit that this is happening to increasing amount of people who have invited nothing into their lives.

I do not know how to assist you in any way as I am no expert, and certainly not in comparison to yourself. I know though on a basic level it always helps to stand in your true self, and to not project any fear. I think that is all I can contribute to this.

But, I am not surprised this is happening to so many people now.
Be In Peace.



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Grigori? We've been studying Stregheria, haven't we?
If you have a watcher looking over you, then that is a good thing!
Although I dought it is one, as there are only four, and by some accounts, eight.
If it is evil, then it's definately not a Watcher.
I call the Watchers each time I am in ritual circle.
This is because I am Wiccan.
Hope this helps.
Blessed be!

What ever happened to project blue beam? Holograms and what not.