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Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 17

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posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
I'm with SpaceCowgirl on this one. It is one of the hokeyiest hoaxes ever perpetrated on humankind -- less believable perhaps than even 9/11, that two 140 storey buildings made of concrete and reenforced steel would fall at the speed of gravity because of a couple little fires, and another 60 story building (Building 7) would fall at the speed of gravity without being hit by anything.

Is this the same link?

nasascam.bravehost.com...

edit for spelling

[edit on 21-3-2009 by Salt of the Earth]



It should really be 110 floors and Re-inforced concrete and steel then again if you actually knew something about the subject! Plenty of other posts to talk about this.

Re Stars not on pictures EXPOSURE time, Moon LIT BY THE SUN so exposure times same as a sunny day on earth so if you have a manual camera set for picure during a sunny day point up at the sky at night and take a picture and see how many stars are on it.

Then once you see NO stars thats one part of your hoax theory DEAD!

[edit on 23-3-2009 by wmd_2008]




posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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I was looking through that site today and your link:

nasascam.bravehost.com...

has some of the best pics on it and funniest comments and in particular, this one:

"Many people query, (and they have good reason to), who was on the Moon to take picture of Armstrong as he stepped off the ladder. PAN's, with their usual idiotic replies, claim the camera was fixed to a pole on the LM itself. Camera/video experts claim the camera must have been at least 20 to 30 feet away to capture what we see in the frame. Anyone seen a picture of LM with a 30' pole, and camera attached to the end of it? No I ain't either, but who was on the Moon to take this video. It can't be the astroNOTS from Apollo 10 as they did not land on the Moon, (come to think of it neither did Apollo 11). Must be astroNOTS from the Apollo 10½ mission. Click on image to see the video."


The whole thing is laughable. Great link!



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 08:03 AM
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The biggest laugh for me is the movie camera filming the Lunar Module as it flies away from the moon to the earth. Hellooooo? Now who is still left on the moon going "Guys, this isn't funny, come back and get me now!"



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by spacecowgirl
The whole thing is laughable. Great link!

The camera was on the MESA package stowed inside the quad 4 bay that swung away from the LEM when armstrong pulled a cable while stepping down the ladder. You're right, it's laughable; that people assume there's no explanation possible without doing the slightest bit of research, relying completely on their confirmation bias.
www.apolloartifacts.com... - a copy of the hinge that triggered the MESA's swingout motion can be seen here.

[edit on 23-3-2009 by ngchunter]



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by spacecowgirl
The biggest laugh for me is the movie camera filming the Lunar Module as it flies away from the moon to the earth. Hellooooo? Now who is still left on the moon going "Guys, this isn't funny, come back and get me now!"

The film typically shown of the LEM liftoff comes from apollo 17 - no such film exists from apollo 11 because it relied on the lunar rover to receive remote commands from houston to pan the camera up at the moment of liftoff. The camera operator had practiced the manuever on earth using an artifically generated 2 second delay for his commands. Even then it wasn't till apollo 17 that he timed it just right to capture the liftoff. As you can see, the lunar rover has a nice big high gain antenna that made this operation possible:
upload.wikimedia.org...
Once again, you allowed confirmation bias to create a problem for apollo in your mind that would have been dispelled with the slightest fact checking.

[edit on 23-3-2009 by ngchunter]



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by spacecowgirl
The biggest laugh for me is the movie camera filming the Lunar Module as it flies away from the moon to the earth. Hellooooo? Now who is still left on the moon going "Guys, this isn't funny, come back and get me now!"




Ever heard of a thing called remote control!



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by ngchunter
reply to post by spacecowgirl
 


Hmm, funny how in the second picture the astronaut is holding the experiment we see deployed in the first picture. I don't see any proof that these two pictures were not recorded at the same location. Let me guess, some conspiracy theorist watched an edited produced video where random footage from apollo was used, and they showed part of that particular hill and then came back to rest of the footage later after showing some rover footage.

Why would it be ludicrous to think we went to the moon? Even amateur astronomers saw the spacecraft in transit to the moon.
www.astr.ua.edu...
Some even recorded the radio transmissions from the spacecraft while it was orbiting the moon using some heavy duty radio equipment:
www.svengrahn.pp.se...
(This was the radio dish used to record the above at the University of Florida:
www.svengrahn.pp.se...)

[edit on 21-3-2009 by ngchunter]


Here is a way that they could have used to fake moon landings:

1. the Saturn V rocket takes off with the astronauts on board.
2. a little while exit from the atmosphere, the capsule with the astronauts is fired from the rocket and enters orbit.
3. the spacecraft continues to the moon, passing the Van Allen radiation belt.
4. During the flight to the moon, the astronauts send their voice to the spacecraft, which is sent back to Earth. The world thinks that the transmission is from the spacecraft. The radio signals from the Astronaut capsule are not caught by earth Radio operators because they are directed signals.
5. upon arrival to the moon, the show begins. A set of actors in a Nevada studio play their roles, pretending to be the astronauts. The encoded video signal is sent to the astronaut capsule in orbit, where the astronauts review it and add the audio track. The audio is sent to the moon, and then back to Earth together with the video signal.
6. The capsule 'returns' to Earth, and the astronauts are safe and sound back to base.



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 06:03 PM
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Or even easier than that. They actually went.



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by masterp
Here is a way that they could have used to fake moon landings:

1. the Saturn V rocket takes off with the astronauts on board.
2. a little while exit from the atmosphere, the capsule with the astronauts is fired from the rocket and enters orbit.

It's IN orbit immediately after launching before they leave for the moon. People witnessed the spacecraft through the TLI event - if they "fired the rocket" prematurely to leave the S-IVB behind it would have been immediately obvious:
www.astr.ua.edu...


3. the spacecraft continues to the moon, passing the Van Allen radiation belt.

What's controlling the S-IVB's TLI burn if the command module is gone? The former CAN NOT do a TLI burn without the latter. More importantly, you get ONE restart with an S-IVB and just enough fuel for a TLI. That means it could never enter lunar orbit.


4. During the flight to the moon, the astronauts send their voice to the spacecraft, which is sent back to Earth. The world thinks that the transmission is from the spacecraft. The radio signals from the Astronaut capsule are not caught by earth Radio operators because they are directed signals.

No one notices the command module still in earth orbit? More importantly, what happens when the S-IVB reaches the moon? It crashes, because the S-IVB isn't even close to having what it takes to enter lunar orbit. You need the command and service module for that.


5. upon arrival to the moon, the show begins. A set of actors in a Nevada studio play their roles, pretending to be the astronauts.

If that were the case, the backdrop wouldn't show 3d parallax from real mountains (cross eye stereogram:
i14.photobucket.com...)
(unless you're saying they did it outdoors, in which case the mountain ranges wouldn't match with later probes mapping of the landing sites: www.youtube.com...)


The encoded video signal is sent to the astronaut capsule in orbit, where the astronauts review it and add the audio track. The audio is sent to the moon, and then back to Earth together with the video signal.

Back from what? The crashed S-IVB?


6. The capsule 'returns' to Earth, and the astronauts are safe and sound back to base.

If that were the case the astronaut capsule shouldn't appear to be returning from the right location, in other words, TEI didn't occur so they shouldn't be seen returning from cislunar space, but they were:
Apollo 8 returning to earth, right in the expected location and subtly brightening as it gets closer to earth:
www.astr.ua.edu...



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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So if the moon landings were real, how is the following video explained?



look at around 0:50...something impossible happens: the astronaut gets up without pushing his legs against the surface!

How do you explain that?



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 03:38 PM
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It's called 1/6th Earth gravity. Everything weighs 1/6th what it does on Earth.



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 03:39 PM
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Even with 1/6 of gravity, the astronaut should push a little in order to get up. The astronaut in the video clearly does not.


jra

posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by masterp
look at around 0:50...something impossible happens: the astronaut gets up without pushing his legs against the surface!


Watch his left arm. He's holding onto the other astronaut to help himself get up. It also looks like he pushed himself up with his right arm as well.



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by masterp
look at around 0:50...something impossible happens: the astronaut gets up without pushing his legs against the surface!


Watch his left arm. He's holding onto the other astronaut to help himself get up. It also looks like he pushed himself up with his right arm as well.


His left arm touches the other astronaut, but he does not push the other astronaut at all. If he did, the other astronaut would have been pushed back (due to physics).

His right arm stays still as well. He does not push against the ground with his right arm.



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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He is holding onto to, not pushing the other Astronaut and it does look like he uses his right arm to push. Loved the video makers spelling of exhaust (eggsauced)



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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Yes, he is holding onto the other astronaut with his left arm. But he does not gets up using his right arm.

Play the video in slow motion. You will see that he keeps going up long after the right arm has stopped pushing.

And he hits the maximum height, he is rotated to get into position.

This effect can only be achieved only if the astronaut is suspended with wires from the ceiling.

Another video which is clearer. At around 2:11, the astronaut is pulled up by wires.

www.youtube.com...


[edit on 26-3-2009 by masterp]



posted on Mar, 26 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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Let's watch the large and compound quotes, Folks.

It tends to kill the flow.

As well, Please don't quote the post immediately above yours.

If you must direct your comments, use the 'REPLY TO:' button.

Thanks





[edit on Thu Mar 26 2009 by Jbird]



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 02:44 AM
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Remember 1/6 th gravity on moon doesn't mean the Astronaut only has 1/6 th of his strength so it will take less effort to push himself up.Also because he is holding on to the other Astronaut that makes things easier again.
What will you say when NASA's LRO mission lauching soon maps the moon to 0.5 mtr rsolution/pixel and all the so called alien buildings etc that people on here claim exist turn out to be like the face on mars due to low res and over active imaginations!



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by masterp
 




Remember 1/6 th gravity on moon doesn't mean the Astronaut only has 1/6 th of his strength so it will take less effort to push himself up.Also because he is holding on to the other Astronaut that makes things easier again.


But he does not push. His arms do not move at all. And, at the end of the lift, the astronaut is rotated so as that he can stand in a vertical position.

It is not possible to push with his fingers, because the suit is very heavy (heavier than a person).



What will you say when NASA's LRO mission lauching soon maps the moon to 0.5 mtr rsolution/pixel and all the so called alien buildings etc that people on here claim exist turn out to be like the face on mars due to low res and over active imaginations!


I will not say anything, because it is irrelevant to the current item of discussion.



posted on Mar, 27 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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The Apollo EMU's weighed about 180 lbs. (including the PLSS)
Astronaut weighed...say 180 lbs.

180 + 180 = 360 pounds
360/6 = 60 pounds. 60!

I can push myself up on one leg. I weigh 165 pounds. Thats 2.75 times what the astronauts weighed on the Moon with all their gear. And they were probably in better shape than I am. (and he does use his right arm)

[edit on 3/27/2009 by Phage]

[edit on 3/27/2009 by Phage]



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