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Originally posted by wiredamerican
Reasons for school shootings?
I got an answer for you.. They are from forcing introverts do participate in an extreme extrovert educational process.
I could not disagree with you more and think that perhaps the exact opposite is a major source of the problem. In society today there is an assualt on boys. This can be validated through a variety of statistics. Drop out rates, drug and alcohol abuse, criminal behavior, college graduation rates, on and on
In today's schools, they simply don't want to deal with a spirited boy. They consistently look to feminize young men, which is why there are so many boys on perscription drugs. Anti-depressants, mood elevators, anti-psychotics, you name it. I have three sons and therefore, through interaction with other familys know of numerous normal boys who's teachers brought in the parents and told them that their child needed to be on some kind of drug. I have a daughter as well and anyone who has a child of both sexes can tell you. Boys and girls are not the same and that difference is very stark in the grammer school years. Schools today want boys to sit quietly and behave like girls and it is simply not going to work. It is not genetically supposed to be that way. One other way to look at this problem is through this prisim. Take a normal, spirited boy and force him on a cocktail of mood elevators, anti-depressants and keep him on them for years. Due to the nature of these drugs and the way the medical industry operates, he is likely to be on many different cocktails over the years. Not only are his parents allowing his maturing brain to be permanently altered and not for the better, he is being told that he needs to be on drugs for what? For being a normal kid? Now that kid begins to live within his own mind, every day when he takes his meds he gets validation that something is wrong with him (while else would he need to take the meds anyway). Some percentage of these kids snap.
Who's fault is this? The parents. You can blame the school for pushing the drugs on familys, but it is the parents who are to blame. If a
teacher told me to put my kid on drugs, I'd tell them to get stabbed.
Again, I don't feel that this is the responsibility of the schools. This is a family issue, plain and simple. Take responsible for your kid. Go ahead and put yourself out - meet his friends. Meet their parents. Restrict what he/she does on-line. Better yet, only let them go on-line in a public place in your house. Go ahead and be a jerk - look in his room. Violate his/her privacy. You have a right - no you have an obligation to know what is going on in your own home. Just about all of these kids have secret lives that "nobody" knew about. In some of these cases, the parents should be held criminally responsible.
I am also sorry. If your kid is a geek or extremely introverted, you have a harder job as a parent, as does a parent with a child who is not very bright or a child who is extremely bright. It is your responsibility to seek ways to help that child adapt. Maybe its a different activity. Maybe its martial arts, maybe its going to a private or charter school. Whatever it is that needs to be done to be an effective parent, it is your job to see that it be done. It is also your job to raise them in such a manner that they can face the world with out a chip on their shoulders and laden with envy.
I am sick and tired of folks blaming society for every thing that does not go well in someone's life and how cruel the world is.
Originally posted by Dinamo
reply to post by rawsom
why does everything have to be complicated.
I was bullied at school, we had elitists in class, we had school fights...
But that is growing up.
i didn't know how to use guns until military and had war in my country when i was teenage. maybe normal parents with no guns in front of me?
maybe answer is parenthood with guns in house. teach a kid that guns are normal, let him hunt. And then hire 50 psychologists to find why did he kill all bully imbecils in school.
Originally posted by rawsom
Are you actually serious about this stuff? These things are highly emotional and if you are just trolling, I suggest you stop it or start another thread. We are actually having a quite civilized conversation here.
Originally posted by RedCairo
Although I believe SOME degree of 'secret experimentation' goes on, I have not seen any 'evidence' (besides 'people ranting') to convince me that
a) mind control is 'everywhere, EVERYWHERE I tell you!' or
b) schools are 'nothing but mind control laboratories' (at least in the official way, as opposed to ANY cultural framework qualifying as such).
I also don't necessarily think that just because one guy shoots a president that this is necessarily for any of the same causes that a child shoots his peers.
As a teen I nearly murdered my stepmother. That would have been SO well deserved. Only knowing I didn't deserve prison kept me from it. But shooting my schoolmates, or the president, is a wholly separate thing.
It wouldn't be fair to assume that just because a similar tool is employed (a gun) that the reasons for people doing very different things are the same.
I think it seems kind of hysterical to assume that every gradeschool is a mind control lab. I consider my child's former gradeschool to be run by ordinary people, influenced and miseducated by the system they came from and returned to perpetuate, but I think projecting normal social issues upon some grand overlord conspiracy seems a little over the top.