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Barack Obama sends video message to Iran

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posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 01:55 AM
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Originally posted by Majorion

With all due respect, do you have any supporting data for this claim, or any evidence?



The only 'proof' of this is from one report from 2007. The fact that no journalists were allowed to record, photograph or videotape the briefing or the materials makes it so much more believable


I honestly hope Obama is sincere in wanting to build a better relationship with Iran..they really could be a strong ally with the west if we stop threatening to obliterate them every few months.


Originally posted by WhatTheory
B) The U.S. would not use a nuclear bomb as an offensive weapon unlike Iran.


Tell that to Japan



[edit on 3/20/2009 by pstiffy]




posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 01:58 AM
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reply to post by WhatTheory
 


2 nukes in japan


in fact , US is the only country to use them



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
B) The U.S. would not use a nuclear bomb as an offensive weapon unlike Iran.


OMFG!


Well, I hate to tell ya buddy but you did... twice! I'm also gathering you didn't know that in the weeks prior to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese tried continuously to surrender... but the US would have NO part of it. Not after all the effort that went into making those bombs. The US wanted to make a statement and it was done offensively.

By all means, don't believe me. Check out the FACTS for yourself. It's called history!

Honestly! *shakes head*
 

I must ask. Were you one of the people that was hookwinked into believing that Saddam had WMD's? Well... it's the same shell game being played here now with Iran. As they say...

Fool me once, shame on you!
Fool me twice, shame on me!


IRM


[edit on 20/3/09 by InfaRedMan]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
A) The U.S. invented and was the first to have one.

And why does this make any difference?.. I doubt you would be saying the same, if it were Iran whom first invented these globally threatening weapons.


Originally posted by WhatTheory
B) The U.S. would not use a nuclear bomb as an offensive weapon unlike Iran.



The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuclear attacks near the end of World War II against the Empire of Japan by the United States at the executive order of U.S. President Harry S. Truman on August 6 and 9, 1945.


Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki


Originally posted by WhatTheory
Do you read? Because this is common knowledge and there has been numerous articles regarding this.

Well you seem to be a much more trusting person than I am. Apparently, either you don't read much yourself (other than titles from a Google search). Or, you would trust anything your government tells you..


U.S. military and intelligence officials tell ABC News that they have caught shipments of deadly new bombs at the Iran-Iraq border.


EXCLUSIVE: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran?

I have highlighted in bold the part which you claim is 'evidence'. To me, that is hearsay. Not evidence. But either way.. the U.S has no right to be in Iraq with respect. A simple Google search will yield much results for you;

www.google.com...



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by Majorion
You know something, I'll never understand why people dub Obama as the anti-christ and what-not.. look how he tries his best at open dialogue, and an attempt at peaceful resolution. It may not work, but at least he tries.. and everyone can bear witness to that. If this policy of openness and diplomacy continues, then I foresee the next 4-8 years as a time to remember and cherish. Let's just cross our fingers and hope that Israel can learn a thing or two from President Obama.


Is that why we are sending 30,000 soldiers over to Afghanistan? because Obama is going to attempt peaceful resolution?...

I have noticed that lately, since about February this year there are massive deployments of military personnel from the National Guard of several states, which for some reason are the largest deployments of national Guard forces since WWII. In February Wisconsin send 3,200 National Guard Troops to the last 10 days of training before being send to Iraq. Next month Wyoming is sending almost 1,000 National Guard soldiers to Iraq, the largest mobilization of the state's history. The mobilization will also be done from 3 other states as far as I know.

Through the Obama administration "peaceful resolution" many brainwashed Americans will fall for the Obama administration to try to disarm the American public, and then the facade will stop.

Obama wanting to disarm America, meanwhile China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela and other countries keep arming themselves is just opening our borders, and telling our would be enemies that we are more than ready for the invasion of the Eastern powers, which of course have many similarities to the Obama administration policies which are also leftist.

The message that Hillary Clinton gave to the world, and to the Chinese government is clear. "no Human Right is more important than the economic crisis, Climate Change or any other crisis" in other worlds any crisis created by the governments is an excuse to opress the Human rights of every person on this planet...

During the Clinton years we sold half of our soul to China. During the Obama administration the other half of our soul, and our liberties will be given not only to China, but to the leftist ideology of the bankers who want to implement a World Government full of Socialist programs, and goals.

Get ready for the United Socialist States of America.



[edit on 20-3-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 02:32 AM
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Iran hasn't trusted the US since America organised a coup de tat to oust a democratically elected government 30 years ago and replace it with a dictator. The US supports Israel unequivocally, a nation built on terror and the only nuclear power in the region.

I don't doubt they want to develop nuclear weapons, but given the history of the region, can you really blame them?



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 02:43 AM
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Why do people keep throwing out the word "Democratically, Democracy" etc around without knowing what it means?

I also find it fascinating that so many people around the world twist around history, meanwhile trying to defend nations whose elite's main purpose is the elimination of Capitalism, and everything that has to do with freedom from tyranny.

Anyway, I wonder why so many Iranians are pro-American meanwhile the Iranian elite, and it's fanatics are anti-American and not to mention hate Israel.

But worry not, with president Obama in office we will be disarmed, we will open our arms to the Chinese, Russian, Iranian, and Venezuelan governments and will even work with them to implement a world Socialist system...

[edit on 20-3-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 02:45 AM
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People said the same thing would happen under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan and so on, yet it didn't. And how do you equate capitalism with freedom? Are you saying that the only people that are free are those that live in Capitalist systems?

[edit on 3/20/2009 by pstiffy]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by Majorion
You know something, I'll never understand why people dub Obama as the anti-christ and what-not.. look how he tries his best at open dialogue, and an attempt at peaceful resolution. It may not work, but at least he tries.. and everyone can bear witness to that. If this policy of openness and diplomacy continues, then I foresee the next 4-8 years as a time to remember and cherish. Let's just cross our fingers and hope that Israel can learn a thing or two from President Obama.


Openness? Ha ha ha

The anti-christ is the one who puts the 7 year peace treaty together so he is following the anti christ M.O. to a tee



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by pstiffy
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


People said the same thing would happen under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan and so on, yet it didn't. And how do you equate capitalism with freedom? Are you saying that the only people that are free are those that live in Capitalist systems?

[edit on 3/20/2009 by pstiffy]


The last time we had a Capitalist system of Government was what?? the 1950's



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by WhatTheory
B) The U.S. would not use a nuclear bomb as an offensive weapon unlike Iran.


OMFG!


Well, I hate to tell ya buddy but you did... twice! I'm also gathering you didn't know that in the weeks prior to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese tried continuously to surrender... but the US would have NO part of it. Not after all the effort that went into making those bombs. The US wanted to make a statement and it was done offensively.

By all means, don't believe me. Check out the FACTS for yourself. It's called history!

Honestly! *shakes head*
 

I must ask. Were you one of the people that was hookwinked into believing that Saddam had WMD's? Well... it's the same shell game being played here now with Iran. As they say...

Fool me once, shame on you!
Fool me twice, shame on me!


IRM


[edit on 20/3/09 by InfaRedMan]


You're drop dead wrong son, watch the PBS documentary by Ken Burns called "The War" and learn the truth. We told them what we could do, they didn't believe it. We considered dropping one off the shore so they could see what this could do but they most likely would have thought it was an oceanic volcano and we only had two of them. The Japanese were the most determined soldiers and REFUSED to be taken alive in most cases. Weeks leading up to that day, the Japanese were'nt trying to surrender. They DIDN'T Beleive that was a Bomb when it hit.

Nothing like that had ever been seen or done before. So we did it again.

The second time, they believed it.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:21 AM
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Care to elaborate on what you mean by "people" not understanding "democratically or democracy"? I can only assume you are referring to my post, as it precedes yours and has the word "democratically" in it.

How was the 1951 election in Iran not democratic?



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:26 AM
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Humanizing the omnipresent irrational terrorist enemy?
Going a route that avoids bloodshed and destruction?
Looking the Hawks in the eye and saying "your way isn't producing any results"?

Better ask JFK how not following the game plan works out.

In my book it is a bold and refreshing move.
I hope they listen.

- Lee



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:29 AM
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Sweet, sweet luvin'!

Iran welcomes Obama overture


A top advisor to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has welcomed US President Barack Obama's olive branch to Tehran but urged him to back his words with concrete action to repair past mistakes.

"We welcome the wish of the President of the United States to put away past differences," Mr Ahmadinejad's press advisor Ali Akbar Javanfekr said in reaction to Mr Obama's message at Nowruz, the Iranian New Year, in which he urged a resolution of differences and an "honest" engagement with Tehran.

"But the way to do that is not by Iran forgetting the previous hostile and aggressive attitude of the United States," Mr Javanfekr said, after being read extracts of Obama's statement.


Makes you want to hug someone, no?



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by Common Good
Im sorry to break up the love fest, but do any of you really think achmadenijad is going to listen to this and say "hey, he has a point, we will now lay down ournucleor capabilities, and do everything that you say because you worded it so nicely". give me a break.
The agenda is already set in stone, and this message is not for the Iranian people, but for the American people to let them know that he is 'trying'.
I dont buy into the hype and thats all this is, hype.
Hate me all you want in the following posts, but I dont think this is going to help at all. Just my two cents and I dont think the American people should fall so easily for this type of proaganda. While his words are elequent, his actions will speak much louder, and so will Irans.
As far as the troops go, hes not going to pull them out, they are there to stay and anyone who believes otherwise are just fooling themselves.
Like I said, its not for the Iranians, its for the Americans.



The point is to gain popular support from the populace, even Christopher Walken could have told you that...

The Trillion $$$$$ worth of bombs and bullets have not worked in Iraq now have they?

But then again maybe we need to spend eleven Trillion!



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
EXCLUSIVE: Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran?

U.S. Presents Evidence of Iranian Weapons in Iraq

Those are a few links but a quick google search will yield you much information.


While I don't doubt Iran has supported shiites in IRaq, to be honest proof of finding weapons from Iran is hardly cause to start a major war. There were various weapons found in Iraq to have been used by insurgents that were manufactured from a number of countries....including weapons made in the United States.

There are hundreds of thousands of weapons (or more) lost or sold on the black market that made their way into Iraq.


Weapons Given to Iraq Are Missing
GAO Estimates 30% of Arms Are Unaccounted For

The Pentagon has lost track of about 190,000 AK-47 assault rifles and pistols given to Iraqi security forces in 2004 and 2005, according to a new government report, raising fears that some of those weapons have fallen into the hands of insurgents fighting U.S. forces in Iraq. washington post


Estimates have the Iran weapons making up around 1% of the total cache found.


Doubting the Evidence Against Iran

ndeed, the U.S. allegations appear to be based on speculation, spurred by the appearance about a year ago of a new breed of roadside bomb in Iraq. Explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, proved effective at piercing American armor by firing a concave copper disc from a makeshift cannon, which transformed the slug midair into a molten jet of super-heated metal. Accusations that Iran was shipping the things into Iraq grew louder as U.S. casualties from the weapon rose. But no concrete evidence has emerged in public that Iran was behind the weapons. U.S. officials have revealed no captured shipments of such devices and offered no other proof. Time.com


If the evidence of direct Iranian aid to insurgents in Iraq is dubious, and weapons from other countries...including our own...have made their way into the hands of the insurgents, then how can anyone paint Iran as the sole backbone of the weapon supplies to Iraqi insurgents?

We can't even fully keep track of where our own weapons end up.

- Lee



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by pstiffy
Tell that to Japan


By offensive, I mean as a first strike weapon. Japan started the war so the use of the nukes were justified. We just ended the war with the nukes.

Come on now, I know you cannot be so disingenuous.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by Seany
2 nukes in japan


I guess I will have to repeat myself. SIGH.

By offensive, I mean as a first strike weapon. Japan started the war so the use of the nukes were justified. We just ended the war with the nukes.

Come on now, I know you cannot be so disingenuous.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan
OMFG!


Well, I hate to tell ya buddy but you did... twice!


Have any of you actual read a history book. ** Shakes head **


By offensive, I mean as a first strike weapon. Japan started the war so the use of the nukes were justified. We just ended the war with the nukes.

Come on now, I know you cannot be so disingenuous.

What's wrong with some of you here? Ya'll cannot be that dense.


[edit on 3/20/2009 by WhatTheory]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by WhatTheory
The U.S. would not use a nuclear bomb as an offensive weapon unlike Iran.

OMFG!
Well, I hate to tell ya buddy but you did... twice!

OMFG!
Well, I hate to tell ya buddy but we DID NOT!
We did NOT use those two nuclear weapons as OFFENSIVE weapons.
Japan attacked the USA. The USA did what it had to do to win the
war that was aggressed against it and to win with as few American
casualties as possible. DEFENSIVELY.


Originally posted by InfaRedMan
the Japanese tried continuously to surrender

that's dead wrong as well. I lived in Japan for three years. I've been to Hiroshima. I've personally seen what the Japanese intention was for the war ... to NEVER surrender. faux discussions from them were just military tactic distractions. The facts are all there in the museum. They did NOT want to surrender. The entire country, right down to the 6 year olds working in bullet factories, was one big war machine.

Jeeeze people .... you throw stones but live in glass houses. :shk:



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