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MadWorld: 'most violent computer game ever' launched on Nintendo Wii

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posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:14 AM
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Nope, it's not just the games unfortunately. It is our entire media-saturated culture that is eroding morality and traumatizing people. Have you ever wondered why you are compelled to create "warped and scary" stuff? Brainwashing on a massive scale, my friend.

It is not the simple portrayal of violence that concerns me - it is the depiction of violence with no consequence, dehumanization of the victim, and the marketing of these games and movies to children that upsets me. If you think children aren't affected by media, then you may need to study a little psychology.

I contend that human beings do not naturally take pleasure in the suffering of others, nor are they born with the desire to experience killing, torture or abuse, in reality or simulation. The 'conspiracy nut' in me can't help but notice blatant programming...everywhere. I've experienced it and have been fighting it my entire life. That is the role of media, and unless you have a very strong moral core and sense of self, you will succumb...and I don't mean that you will go out and shoot people - there are other factors involved in rampages, of course - but your view of the world will be distorted.




posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by the secret web
1 - If we should ban violent games, why stop there and ban everything containing voilence...the bible has some pretty violent bits
(Get my point yet?)


I get it. The problem isn't the games themselves.


Originally posted by the secret web
2 - Why do the more religious and leftish people fall for this type of games marketing bull time and time again? Each time they need to hype a game they pull this old stunt of getting someone from religion 'x' or organisation 'x' to say it should be banned thus increasing sales?


Good question. I don't have an answer other than most people wouldn't know enough of what happens to even ask that same question.


Originally posted by the secret web
3 - After years creating some very warped and scary stuff (and I freely admit this as its my job and I get paid for it), I am as creator and designer of such things closer than the end user. So why have I two well balanced kids, a wife and am a very well balanced normal individual? Should I not be running round with my backside hanging out shooting kiddies at the nearest school?


Now we're talking. No reason for you to go shooting anyone. I would say your children have been raised with Parents who have set safe boundaries, ensured the kids had a childhood, communicated with them as well as they could, who loved them and showed it daily, and, who most likely allowed age-appropriate games.


Originally posted by the secret web
4 - Why is it that society refuses to point finger fo responsibility at itself for time when some kid runs amok with a gun in a school? Why can't it be simply that society itself is at fault... that large sections of our youth are left feeling alientated and treated as 'outsiders' in a mentality where difference is not celebrated but frowned upon?


Well said. Society is at fault. The people are at fault for not stepping up and either saying, "No we don't want this sort of thing in our society" or, "I will be an effective parent in spite of what other parents and popular media may allow for kids."


Originally posted by the secret web
Kids that are different end up being sidelined and treated like crud by other kids, so is it a HUGE suprise when one day one snaps and thinks that 'enough is enough' and wants to 'show people' or make th suffer etc? Its not right obviously to do that, but often theres much more as a cause than simply 'little johnny played doom3 and ran round with a shotgun shooting kiddy winkies'


Little Johhny may have been playing pretty scarey games from a very young age. It is possible for Johhny then to become desensitized to violence as he grows up, which will also effect the pathways within his brain. If Johhny is in a dysfunctional family setting, as so many are today, and we then sit back and wait for him to waste away without real Love and Caring.. this could easily be the Johhny who shoots people.

The problem is not with the games. The problem is with poor parenting over the last 20 or so years, the breakdown of family, the push from all Media instilling stereotypes and social mores/desires, including the "gangsta mentality" that is insidiously behaving like a cancer in every culture it is exported too.


Originally posted by the secret web
5 - What gives any person the right to impose there will and beliefs on another? Don't like something like a game, book or tv show....then dont watch, read or play it.


Now this is what a sensible person would do, not allow their kids to play any game unsuited to impressionable kids, therefore only allow age-appropriate games according to the Ratings guideline.

Now how simple is that to do? Easy. Wish more parents would do this. Most I know don't even look at their kids games, they have no idea what the content is and they don't really care.


Originally posted by the secret web
I hate shrimps..does that mean I should start a campaign for them to be banned as I find them offensive to eat? lol


Yes. Yes it does


Ban Shrimps Now



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 06:40 AM
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As someone who has played and completed madworld, let me share my opinion of the game.

First of all - the game is not presented in any sense of realism. It is supposed to be a comic book styled game, and purely fictional.

Second - you aren't killing innocent people. You are killing people who are involved in a game where the point is to be the last man alive. In order to save the people who are not playing the game (and also cure them of an airborn virus they were infected with) you enter the game and essentially try to win the game, so that you can meet the creators and end it once and for all.

Yes, it is somewhat vulgar. Mainly the language. However - none of the violence looks real or feels real. In fact, I have been way more disturbed by other games (most notably godfather for the wii).

You actually play as a character named jack, a sort of rogue special ops person.

It's a pretty awesome game, actually. I admit that I really enjoyed it, although it was pretty short for my liking.

Just keep in mind - you are not killing innocent people. This isn't Grand Theft Auto, by any means. Nor is it Manhunt, or any other shooting game where the point is to kill people JUST to kill people. You are doing it because you have to, because you need to, and you are the right person for the job.

Personally, being a child that grew up with video games, I don't see how this particular one is any worse than some of the things I saw in movies or on TV at a young age. Now that I am an adult to I crave games that are mature rated? Not at all, and most of my friends don't either.

Most of the time the people screaming about such video games are the same people who have never played them, who have gambling or pornographic addictions, and really do not understand the meaning of "interactive entertainment."

Tons of movies and television shows are worse than this game, and all games for that matter, because they present their material in a very realistic fashion. They walk a fine line between fiction and non fiction, because the fiction is presented so realistically.

In japanese gaming culture, it is popular for game developers to break the fourth wall and remind you that you are playing a game. No More Heros is a great example of this, with the character talking to you if you stop playing for a bit and other cool things like that.

But alas. People are people. Everyone has different tastes. Some people love to look at violent movies and take it all in as just good entertainment. Some people freak out when they see nudity. Some people consider crap a bad word. So let people be people and let them do their thing as they choose. If games like these end up in the hands of children, just like movies music and books do, blame the parents and not the creators.

Compared to an eminem cd, or snoop dogg's doggy style cd...madworld is fairly tame. I mean it's all cartoon cell shaded and is in black and white for pete's sake.

People need to build a bridge and get over it.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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blaming video games for violence is like blaming marilyn manson on school shootings fact is parents dont like to take responsility for their own children so blame the problems of the youth of today on anything other than the fact they dont do the job themselves.

i love playing video games one of my favorites is destroy all humans, for anyone who doesnt know what that game involves, its an alien that kills and maims people, i love it its a funny game but i would never go and kill anyone because i know its just a GAME.
its the same with blaming music i love metal, marilyn manson is one of my favorites but i wont be found trying to shoot anyone.

if a person is disturbed then they will probally try to kill with out any game or movie or music to help.
people murdered and hurt people long before any games or such came out.

parents just need to get off there backside and raise there children not just let tv and teachers do it.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by Nox Vulpes
reply to post by the secret web
 


Nope, it's not just the games unfortunately. It is our entire media-saturated culture that is eroding morality and traumatizing people. Have you ever wondered why you are compelled to create "warped and scary" stuff? Brainwashing on a massive scale, my friend.



Well your about as wrong as you can get on this one, Its not brainwashing because:

1 - It's my job

2 - I'm very good at it

3 - As I've taught people in some of the biggest firms in the film and games industry then that makes me the brainwasher I supose if you want to be technical.

4 - I feel no 'compulsion' to do it all all, I do it for teh above reasons and that it is a style I'm known for. If I was asked ot do fluffy bunnies all day I woudn't bat an eyelid and would do it wihtout question as its my job.


Wayne...



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Tayesin


Yes. Yes it does


Ban Shrimps Now



Can we do it tomorrow please as banning shirmps today may interfer with mothers day here in england lol?

Seriously though, yes we're on the same wavelength I think. Yes ratings are there for a reason... they are put there to protect not just kids who may be tempted to play them but also the companies making them from truley massive lawsuits. The mind of a child is a precious thing and easily moulded...far easier than an adult.

Psychology is differnt from person to person and child to child. For example some people may suffer flashbacks at very loud bangs due to being in a war zone at some point in their life..while others may get angry at the sight of certain hair colours because of tramua as a child.

The games industry does need to start being a bit less in your face about the pomotion of 'this game is the uber-est most violent thing you'll ever play and give you nightmares for the rest of your life' stuff. That smacks of desperation to make sure the game makes a profit in my eyes. Although my feeelig is in the currect financial crisis we'll see more of this type of marketing (because that is what it is...a marketing ploy to sell copies..the more people protest the more hype it builds around what may well be a terrible game to play.)

If you really want a game to disapear from the shelves, forget lawsuits , press etc..just ignore it and dont mention it... games need word of mouth and publicity to sell in many cases.


Wayne...



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by loam
So, for a third time:

Our greatest evolutionary advantage has been the development of complex social structures, made only possible by our PREDOMINANT desire to interact with one another peacefully for personal and collective gains.

That is not to say violence is uncommon. But I flatly disagree that our success is because of it.

[edit on 21-3-2009 by loam]


That's it?? *That's* your counter to accepted books on sociology, anthropology, archeology and history? Your 'opinion' ?

Also, I never said our success as a species was down to violence -- I said that I believe it to be instrinsic to who we are and *helped* us get to where we are now.

You're a complete waste of time, mate.


[edit on 22-3-2009 by noonebutme]



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by N3krostatic
reply to post by Tentickles
 


True and hopefully the parents will have the necessary discretion to not allow their kids to play this. But realistically many will be able to get a hold of it.

Should not be on the market at all.


Right...so what excuses the Saw movies, Hostel, TURISTAS, and all the other goreporn movies lately?

What about Sin City? What about...oh...say, THE REST OF THE ENTERTAINMENT WORLD.

This is a place of open mindedness. You obviously dont belong here.



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 04:15 AM
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What's the problem? If parents don't want their kids playing this game then they shouldn't buy it for them. It's called parenting - unfortunately, in this era of child-worshipers, the concept seems foreign. They'd rather be their kids' best friend instead of their parent.



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 04:40 AM
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Why can't most people see that this is specifically designed for children?

It's not about what it should be, it's about what it is. Video games are what most children are experts at. So we're supposed to say "you're too young to play this one"? That will make them feel the need to play it more then ever. And TPTB know that.

Being "banned for children" has now made this game the "coolest" ever. Those in the child's world who have played it will be legends, those who own a copy will become royalty. To the point where other children will falsely befriend them, for just the chance at that one opportunity for a play.

Adults only, my butt!



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 04:42 AM
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Sim City is a great game. I wish there were more like it. I don't think technology is inherently good or evil, by the way. I just think it should be used more responsibly. What will you allow when we have total virtual reality games? Can you imagine your child be in an entirely convincing killing environment? How about, instead, VR puzzle games...or creative holograph software?



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 07:23 AM
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This game is violent because you kill a few people in a comic book style, but you admit you like Sim City? Hello you can kill thousands, millions if you're good, with one natural disaster! Send in a monster, create a tornado, and wipe out an entire city! Yeah, sounds real peaceful to me...



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by noonebutme
That's it?? *That's* your counter to accepted books on sociology, anthropology, archeology and history? Your 'opinion' ?


Actually, the more I consider your posts, it's a counter to your grotesquely incorrect view of the literature on the subject. The problem appears not just with much of it, but with your understanding of it all as well.



Originally posted by noonebutme
Also, I never said our success as a species was down to violence -- I said that I believe it to be instrinsic to who we are and *helped* us get to where we are now.


Actually, this is what you said:



We are, by all historical accounts, NOT a peaceful race. Our entire evolutionary existence is derived from us fighting each other in order to survive -- fighting for the best places to live, the best hunting grounds for food, the best mates for passing on the most successful genes, etc. We use violence and violence in competition as means to test ourselves, guage ourselves with our fellow social members.

...at the moment, that's what we are -- violent.

...

"Yes - people do spend more time engaging in violence than interacting peacefully".

...

And certainly at this time, the 20/21st centuries, it's been non stop.

Hence why I argue, that violence is a huge part of who we are as a species.



You seem confused by the point you want to make.



Originally posted by noonebutme
You're a complete waste of time, mate.


M'kay.

I agree with you. But I can assure you we both arrive at that conclusion by different means.


Have fun wallowing in ignorance.


[edit on 23-3-2009 by loam]



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 09:15 AM
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Sure thing, loam.



2nd



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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Adults are the only ones that can technically buy the game. Most game retailers will not sell M rated games to someone so young, so it would be the parents buying the game for them. If that's the case, than its between the kid and its parents.

By the way, i'm no kid, but i'm pretty smooth with FPS's



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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If you don't like violent video games whether it's children or adults playing them, then you're not thinking about it enough. As far as children go, depending on the age, they shouldn't be playing them. I started playing games like Doom and Duke Nukem at the age of 11. I turned out okay. I have no criminal record or do I get in violent confrontations other than trading insults. Now, if an adult wants to play these games, hell, I'd say it's just a release of stress. They're able to go in to a virtual world and do things they know they can't and won't do in real life. It's just an escape from the real world. I set aside about two hours a day to play some kind of video game whether it be WoW, Warhammer Online, Halo or some other type of game with killing or other objectives. And depending on how my day is going, I'll play a bit during lunch. It's just a way for people to escape the stress of reality.....and sometimes blowing people in to chunky kibble in a video game is rewarding....



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Why can't most people see that this is specifically designed for children?

It's not about what it should be, it's about what it is. Video games are what most children are experts at. So we're supposed to say "you're too young to play this one"? That will make them feel the need to play it more then ever. And TPTB know that.

Being "banned for children" has now made this game the "coolest" ever. Those in the child's world who have played it will be legends, those who own a copy will become royalty. To the point where other children will falsely befriend them, for just the chance at that one opportunity for a play.

Adults only, my butt!




I'm getting extremely tired of quoting the same information over and over in this thread for people who are too lazy to read the responses of others. As such, I'm just going to point you to my earlier rebuttal to these same points: Here



posted on Mar, 23 2009 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
... After searching, there was a wide distributed map for counterstrike (one of the, if not THE, most popular FPS in the past 5 years) that was an E3 convention setting... I guess that theory is blown.
[edit on 22-3-2009 by TwiTcHomatic]


Oh, well I guess that is. And I agree with you on letting parents do the parenting.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
I have played every "first Person Shooter" since the days of Rise of the Triad and Doom.... I have yet to climb a bell tower to vent my frustration.

Blaming violence on video games is an excuse for poor parenting.

This isn't really breaking news... this is borderline stupidity.


I agree. Video games are regulated just like every other type of media, from rap music to violent movies. They all come with a rating and age limit. Most of these game stores know that they can't sell certain games to children, just like how movie theaters won't let kids watch certain movies by themselves. If they do get their hands on it, it's because the parent either bought it for them. It's the job of the parent to be the adult and know what should and shouldn't be expose to their children. Frankly, in this world. Everyone wants to blame everyone else for their own screw ups. These kids that come and shoot up schools, isn't because they play violent video games. It's because dad didn't lock his gun collect correctly, or because no one was listening to little joey, when he was telling the adult that he was getting bullied and picked on. THOSE ARE THE REASONS. If you got anyone to blame its ourselves.

Yet we are so quick to point fingers are people for our own mistakes.



posted on Mar, 24 2009 @ 10:00 AM
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I recently found myself questioning the types of games and movies i watch/play...

I realised that over the years i had become completely numbed to the violence in games/films, I have played games for YEARS and like many others feel that watching 'henry:portrait of a serial killer' doesn't cause me to go outside and start gutting whores, but it has numbed me DRAMATICALLY to REAL violence.

To be honest, I hadn't noticed how numb I had become! It wasn't until i watched a REALLY, REALLY depraved and grim film the other day that it all fit into place. I watched the new french film 'the martyrs'...It is....shocking...I have seen most manky films on the list, cannibal holocaust, salo etc. But 'the martyrs' took the BISCUIT!!!

I watched that film with all it's gristle and I didn't close my eyes or hide away, and I managed the ordeal, and it was an ORDEAL, i've never felt so compelled to get through a film for the sake of it...

When I finished the movie I sat back in shock and awe, never had I seen such an eye opener. This film really pushed my personal envelope of what I could handle viewing, but once I had seen it...I didn't want to shoot people in fear2, i had no intent to drive people over in gta, I didn't want to watch arnie use a dude as a human shield in total recall, I wanted to watch happy, nice things, and paint pictures! Since that movie I HAVE still had the urge to watch a horror flick (there IS a time and a place and a reason why these films can be good and why they exist! And it isn't to brainwash you!), but i have had ABSOLUTELY NO desire to watch an 'action' flick or anything as similar!

why?

I feel that thanks to such a dramatic and disturbing film, in which a human life does MEAN something, it really puts you off watching a film in which people are killed constantly and without remorse. Hmmm I don't have the answer, you TELL ME!!!

I am REALLY keen on peoples responses and input as it is a really interesting topic for me at the moment.

Thanks for reading, I hope you can add something or at least understand my experience.

thanks again,

TGG



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