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MadWorld: 'most violent computer game ever' launched on Nintendo Wii

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posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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Taken from the comments section of that page:


One thing I do love about people pointing at games as a cause of violent crime is that they miss a very important fact. Violent crime has been on the decline since 1994
(www.ojp.usdoj.gov...).Homicide rates in all age groups has been on the decline since 1994, with the most decline seen in the 18-24 group (www.ojp.usdoj.gov...).One thing the graphs don't show is that there has been a small increase in crime over the last 2 years, but this is thought, by sensible people, to be caused by the economy

They never bring this up, because if they did it would destroy their case. The only disturbing thing is in this graph (www.ojp.usdoj.gov...). The purple line is the number of violent crime arrests, notice how it too has been decresting with the other lines. That should be going up.

If they are going to manipulate facts to say that games cause damage then I can too. The playstation was released Christmas of 1994, as was Doom 2. Therefore there is a direct correlation between violent video games increase in popularity and a decrease in violent crime.

I know that the real reasons are much more complicated, but if they want to simplify the facts and skew them to help themselves, then I will too.


This scapegoating is rediculous, being somewhat cynical I'd even go as far to say that as games on the whole are not part of Hollywood/MSM (read Zionist controlled) that there is a lot of disinformation and outright lies spread about them in an attempt to control and limit the information being sent to the masses.




posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by loam

I'll end this post with how I began in this thread:

I find it highly disturbing that ANYONE would enjoy playing this game.



Why do you find that disturbing? I don't understand why people find 'violence' or the fact that we humans glorify and exemplify violence so "highly disturbing"?

We are, by all historical accounts, NOT a peaceful race. Our entire evolutionary existence is derived from us fighting each other in order to survive -- fighting for the best places to live, the best hunting grounds for food, the best mates for passing on the most successful genes, etc. We use violence and violence in competition as means to test ourselves, guage ourselves with our fellow social members.

Of course we've moved on (slightly) since our primitive and tribal hunter/gatherer days, but violence and our predisposition to it seems to be innate to us, in my opinion.

I'm not saying it's one of our best qualities, but it's certainly one that has led us to our current state of evolution.

Perhaps 100, 500 years down the road we won't need to be violent. Perhaps societies will have more highly advanced, more highly evolved members that don't need violence to keep us safe, happy and coexisting.

But at the moment, that's what we are -- violent. And for someone to find that 'highly disturbing' is actually quite puzzling...



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 08:26 AM
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Welll...As most of us know one of the first majorly marketed violent games was in fact put out BY the US ARMY... ...So the gov't ect can "act" appalled all they like,but it was the very intent of the government to create these things to TRY and influence people to go that way...But its also true that no matter what form of entertainment ,be it movies,music,,art,games can ONLY "try",but in the end its left to each and every single individual in this world...and even if our world was completely devoid of any and all of this...we'd still be just as messed up...example???...100yrs ago,and thru-out the whole of time before that...LOL

...But more to my point...I find it curious how you can comment on "is this what we've come to"..."is this all were good for"...When in fact,your own nickname,and avatar photo are both quite "graffic and violent imagery"...I have NO problem with it...just like i said...find it quite curious... ...By the way,im guessing you stick to disney movies only???...LOL



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 09:22 AM
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Give it a rest man, it's just a game. If one cannot seperate reality from the virtual world, they seriously have mental issues in the first place.

Video games are not the reason kids go on shooting rampages in school, its society, the cliches, and most importantly BULLIES ...... not silly video games.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 10:10 AM
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In other news, a movie with vampires came out. Real vampires running around has gone up nearly 80,000,000% to... 0.

The L Word had a new season, new lesbian and gays coming out of the closet are up... because fewer and fewer people are bigoted aholes, not because of a TV show.

Medical crap is going on, ban House and ER and uh, Grey's Anatomy and General Hospital.

In other words, BS!

[edit on 21-3-2009 by JMasters]



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by noonebutme
Why do you find that disturbing? I don't understand why people find 'violence' or the fact that we humans glorify and exemplify violence so "highly disturbing"?


Apparently, then, this is one of those situations where you either do or don't.

I do.

You don't.

I'll leave it to others to speculate upon the reasons why there is that difference.



Originally posted by noonebutme
We are, by all historical accounts, NOT a peaceful race. Our entire evolutionary existence is derived from us fighting each other in order to survive -- fighting for the best places to live, the best hunting grounds for food, the best mates for passing on the most successful genes, etc.


You only believe that because of an apparently consistent diet of poorly written Hollywood scripts masquerading as science books.

Our species' success was not dependent upon our capacity for violence, but upon our ability to cooperate with one another.

No offense, but your version of humanity is the comic book version and simply wrong.



[edit on 21-3-2009 by loam]



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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What a foolish topic for ATS... seems better suited for "Mothers against Blah blah blah"!

That is, unless I’m misunderstanding N3krostatic and he/she is trying to say that there is some sort of super secret, mind altering, hidden kill program in the game which is magically "switching on" our youth to go out and kill 50 people lol… sorry is that what mean “N3krostatic”?

BTW your violent gun carrying death zombie Avatar could “set off” one of our younger ATS members and it would be all your fault! Maybe you should replace it with a nice picture of a flower, just to be safe. Just a thought friend.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 10:32 AM
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Yea video games don't kill people, people kill people. I can take a fork and jam it in my eye does that mean we should out law forks? It is up to the parents to keep an eye on what there kids are doing, also kids can't even buy M games, so if you the parent go and buy that game and let you kid play it, well that's your problem, but don't blame the game makers/creators


I would love to play that game lol, but I have been a fan of gory games my entire life. I was playing Mortal Kombat games when I was a kid
But anyways that's my 2c, the most gory game so what sounds cool



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by loam
You only believe that because of an apparently consistent diet of poorly written Hollywood scripts masquerading as science books.

Our species' success was not dependent upon our capacity for violence, but upon our ability to cooperate with one another.

No offense, but your version of humanity is the comic book version and simply wrong.


[edit on 21-3-2009 by loam]


Uhm... huh? What are talking about? What comic book versions? What Hollywood scripts?

I'm referring to how our species, or any species for that matter, has used violence as a means of survival and continuation. Hundreds of thousands of years ago, tribal groups of our ancestors killed others who invaded their territory, others were driven away from prime hunting areas. Sure, we eventually learned that cooperation was a more 'civilised' means of advancement. But I was suggesting that violence (has?) had it's place in our evolution and led us to where we are now, hence why it's so ingrained into much of our culture, the world over.

And it's not just humans -- this is just a fact of survival.

I'm not sure where you got comic books and Hollywood references from - I'm talking about the books I read when I was in uni.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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I have played first person shooters since they came out. I did not allow my son to play untill I thought he was mature enough to play and we played togeather. Personally I play to vent my daily frustrations in life to keep me from wanting to kill someone. All SANE people can tell the difference from games and reality. Stop blaming games and blame the players for their own actions when the do something stupid in the real world. Grrrrrr!



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 12:20 PM
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As far as violence goes I am more concerned with funniest home videos, real people getting hurt. Some guy ruptures a spleen and the whole audience goes into hysterics. Who should win this week’s prize? The guy who lost his spleen or the guy who lost a testicle?

I love the I am enlightened and above animated violence crowd. I think there is some kind of moral deviancy in non-gamers. They use the passive aggression and then deny they are aggressive.

I wonder if the game has a cheat to get more animated blood?

The only real crime in the gaming industry is the red ring of death….



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by noonebutme
Uhm... huh? What are talking about? What comic book versions? What Hollywood scripts?

I'm referring to how our species, or any species for that matter, has used violence as a means of survival and continuation. Hundreds of thousands of years ago, tribal groups of our ancestors killed others who invaded their territory, others were driven away from prime hunting areas. Sure, we eventually learned that cooperation was a more 'civilised' means of advancement. But I was suggesting that violence (has?) had it's place in our evolution and led us to where we are now, hence why it's so ingrained into much of our culture, the world over.

And it's not just humans -- this is just a fact of survival.

I'm not sure where you got comic books and Hollywood references from - I'm talking about the books I read when I was in uni.


Honestly. Educate yourself. You'll really learn to think otherwise.

Don't allow yourself to be spoon-fed with dribble.

Man's success arose as a consequence of his ability to organize. His capacity for violence is far less pronounced as a comparative characteristic.

Do you really think people spend more of their time engaging in violence than interacting peacefully with one another?


Originally posted by noonebutme
I'm talking about the books I read when I was in uni.


Incidentally, yes....I was talking about those comic books.



[edit on 21-3-2009 by loam]



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 01:29 PM
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Yes, the many years I put into study, earning my degree, MA then my PhD at Uni were a complete waste of time because the books were all propoganda. Everything I studied was a waste.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

So, you're one of those types who believes everything's a conspiracy and that all books in the educational system are lies and deceptions, perpetuated by the Illuminaughty ?


So what *are* the real, non-comic books? Which books will reveal the truth about human history and evolution? Give me an example.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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I don't have a problem with violent games. But, this game seems to be senseless violence.

I'm a serious gamer...I love games, regardless of how violent they may be(once the story is captivating, and the game play is immaculate). I popped folks in the head in GTA, I've broken people's limbs in Tekken...does it make me want to pick up a blade and gun and run rampant in the streets taking lives? No...I know what's real and what's not. What's sensible and what's not. What's fruitful & what's not.

When a game is rated Mature...it's rated for a mature audience. I have no problem with this. But, let's be real here.

The problem I have is...why are games like this being made? Why are they being pumped into the mainstream and brainstream of people. Games like these are negative...and provoke/feed negative energy. If someone can tell me how that is a good thing, I'll easily welcome the game with open arms.

Be real here people, most gaming companies don't give 2 hoots about who play their games. Once their games are being played, they're content. We all know the rating system is there solely for legal purposes. Kids acquire M rated games as easy as it is to get a gun in some parts of the world. The same goes, kids have access to R rated and Adult films nearly as easily as adults do. So, please, stop kidding yourselves. Hell, I saw my first pornographic film when I was 10 years old. That was in 1997. And, the internet, as well as technology and accessibility has grown quite a lot since then. Yes, the parents have their role to play...but c'mon, how many of you have done stuff you know your parents would not approve of, but have easily by-passed your parents? I'm sure everyone has. So, what makes this any different.

Kids are going to get their hands on it any way, so I say...why give them something negative to get their hands on in the first place? Why do we produce such crap for our generation and future leaders...knowing full well...they can access it when they please to? Oh...that's right, because they don't care. Once their pockets are fat and they'll laughing all the way to the bank, they're saying; to hell with your kids.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by loam

Do you really think people spend more of their time engaging in violence than interacting peacefully with one another?

[edit on 21-3-2009 by loam]


It seems that if one were to compare the amount of time in say, the last 2000 years mankind was engaging in violence compared to when it wasn't, I think I'd be inclinded to say, "Yes - people do spend more time engaging in violence than interacting peacefully".

And certainly at this time, the 20/21st centuries, it's been non stop.

Hence why I argue, that violence is a huge part of who we are as a species. I'm not condoning it nor suggesting it's the only thing we're good at. I'm only suggesting that it's 'normal' in the sense it's always been there and as far as I can see, it always will be.

Until some massive event happens that changes everyone's mindsets, or technology catches up to the point where commodities and posessions are no longer the ultimate goal in one's life [I'm not implying you or the general ATSer, I'm saying people in general], where people don't have to use violence as means to obtain/attain material goods or superficial seats of power, violence will always be there.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Don't mean to butt in really, but...are you serious?

Yes, not all history is a lie. But, I saw yur rant on violence and how it has helped us. Violence can help you. That's no lie. Fight...or flight. They both have their place! However, do we really need to create such senseless violence in games? It's not like we're defending our territory and fighting off the Huns, or the Eurpopeans who are coming to pillage our village and rape us of our resources. That's not the case here. There is a time and place for everything my friend. That goes for violence too. There is a time to fight, and a time to make peace and share love.

But, I see no time, and no reason to put such violence(especially as it's solely there for no other purpose, but just to be violent) into games that children can get with the snap of a finger.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 01:39 PM
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This type of scenario is one of the inherent risks you take when living in a Republic with constitutionally-protected rights. The game has the constitutional right to exist and be marketed. It is the responsibility of parents, not religion and/or governments, to control the material being subjected to the youth of this or any other country...period.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by N3krostatic

MadWorld: 'most violent computer game ever' launched on Nintendo Wii


www.telegraph.co.uk

Players in MadWorld use chainsaws, spiked clubs, daggers and spears to execute victims.

They can impale their enemies on road signs, fry them on electrical sockets and rip out their hearts.

A challenge called 'human darts' sees players pick up Madworld citizens and hurl them onto giant spiked dartboard.

Sega, publishers of the game, said it is "tipped to be the most violent video game in history".
(visit the link for the full news article)





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posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Concept X

Nothing has been proven to support a link between it and video games, infact i was watching an Interview with EA on the exact subject like 3 days ago about the PEGI rating system.


Yes, because a game manufacturer is a perfectly objective source of information about the possible negative effects their product might have on society.

I bet they are so ethical, and so unconcerned with sales and profit that we could just trust them to do and interpret all studies on the effects of video game violence and behavior.

Much like we can also trust tobacco companies word that cigarettes are not harmful to our health.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Originally posted by Concept X

Nothing has been proven to support a link between it and video games, infact i was watching an Interview with EA on the exact subject like 3 days ago about the PEGI rating system.


Yes, because a game manufacturer is a perfectly objective source of information about the possible negative effects their product might have on society.

I bet they are so ethical, and so unconcerned with sales and profit that we could just trust them to do and interpret all studies on the effects of video game violence and behavior.

Much like we can also trust tobacco companies word that cigarettes are not harmful to our health.


And tobacco companies are saying they ARE healthy...where?

Ofcourse they care the most about sales and profit but that still does not prove that violence and games are connected, there is still no evidence to prove it.

People use it as an excuse just like people who murder people and say "God told me too", thats all it is.

The only negative impact of video games is sitting infront of a TV/Computer and being unhealthy and fat, not mentaly disturbed...

Theres no way to tell that a person didnt have problems before he/she played a game, hence no evidence for connection. If theres some true hard hitting evidence out there someone please post a link to it.

[edit on 21-3-2009 by Concept X]



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