Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by miriam0566
Michael may be the only angel mentioned as an archangel but reguardless of that, there is believed to be at least 7 archangels
well, think about this for a moment. archangel is only referred to in relation to micheal. and it is ¨the¨archangel, denoting one, vs. the belief
that there are 7.
i would say that the evidence favors that there is one.
another tidbit is the prefix ¨arch¨. we say joker is batmans ¨archnemesis¨ because he is batman´s worst morst dangerous enemy. it denotes one,
not mas than one.
The prefix arch comes from the Old French arche and Latin arch, meaning to begin or to rule. It can indicate the chief or principal one
does this mean that other angels are not high ranking and powerful? not at all. revelations describes cherubs being in the very presence of the throne
of god. cherubs are extremely powerful and high ranking angels. i remember someone saying to me that its possible satan was a cherub.
but i think a distinction should be made between ¨archangel¨ and a high ranking one.
Maybe I misunderstood the place of Lucifer in the bible but my understanding is that He was an angel of the highest ranks but tried to overtake
the throne of God.
you need to read the context of the chapter, then you´ll realize its not talking about angels at all.
Isaiah 14 (relevant verses) with my commentary
 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them,
and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and
handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou
wast made to serve,
--- Isaiah is talking about isreal being released from their future captivity. soon they will be conquered by babylon, but isaiah is saying that it
will not be indefinitely.
 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
--- immediately isaiah identifies who he is prophesying against.
 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
--- no political entity is above god. and none can stop god´s commands. if god says that Israel will be free, then they will be free.
 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
--- babylon experiences prosperity and security
 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath
raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
--- all the enemies that babylon struck down eventually grow in power. we know from history that it is eventually cyrus of the medes and persians that
 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
--- this is the actual verse that describes babylon´s fall. one thing to note is that ¨lucifer¨ was never in the original transcipts because it is
latin for ¨morning star¨. why this verse renders it lucifer in english, noone is exactly sure. the other thing that is interesting is the use of the
word heavens. heavens can denote ¨heaven¨, but also at times denotes governments (new heavens and a new earth for example). ill share more on the
poetic language of this verse later
 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of
the congregation, in the sides of the north:
 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
--- nebuchanezzar tried to exult himself but was humbled by god for 7 years.
 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
--- we both know that hell is the grave or death. if this was satan, then his decent would have meant his death. but instead the angels in revelation
warn the earth that things will get worse, so satan doesnt immediately die. the church believes this refers to satan because they teach a fiery hell
that satan rules. they assert that this is when he is placed there.
 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake
 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
---¨is this the man that made the earth to tremble¨, man not angel. satan is not a man. however the babylonian kings were, and they did make the
earth tremble with their conquests. the verse also shows that people will worry about him less.
 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go
down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be
 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world
 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
--- again directly referring to babylon
this article gets into quite nicely. i dont like the source, but the information is the same.
it also gets into alittle detail fo how the babylon king is helal (god of the morning star) incarnate
the fact that there are other angels of the highest ranks, like your assumption of Michael being Jesus, I would have to assume as most
christians do, that at the least Gabriel was an archangel.
as i said before, there is no question of angels having higher ranks. but i highly doubt that they are archangels.
and there other problem with gabriel is that nowhere in the bible does it give any indication of his rank or strength. so to say that he is an
archangel is pure assumption.
I also heard something that Cherub angels and archangels were the same and that there are only four cherubs mentioned in the bible. Any
comment on that?
as i said, the prefix arch implies ¨principle¨. so usually one.
cherubs are a extremely powerful and so are seraphs. i tend to believe that the number is figurative, 4 implying universal symmetry. but i honestly
could be wrong. there could very well literally be 4.