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How to Destroy the Government in Three Easy Steps

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posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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How to Destroy the Government in Three Easy Steps


www.truthout.org

In 8 years, conservatives have effectively bankrupted many state governments and left the fed in shambles. And now citizens have to "make tough decisions" and share the suffering equally across the land (unless of course, you're part of that lucky 1% who co-opted the functions of government to serve their own ends ... they'll be cozy with their offshore bank accounts, golden parachutes and permanent tax holidays).

Are you a teacher who educates our future citizens? Too bad. You've got to tighten your belt. Manual laborer? Sorry, but that job can earn more money for our shareholders if it's done in Micronesia. Need a college degree? Prepare for indentured servitude because you'll be working to pay it off for most of your adult life. Health care? Ha! That's just a Ponzi scheme dreamed up by a bunch of socialists.

Ever wonder how conservatives did all this?

(visit the link for the full news article)



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[edit on 20-3-2009 by mrwupy]




posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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Movement conservatism and the far right has been saying for years now that they intend to cut the size of government to 16% of what it is now regardless of whether the majority want it or not. Their plan for doing this is to run up so much red ink that the state and federal governments will have no choice but to eliminate services.

You think the recession of 2000/02 was caused by Clinton's policies or 9/11? No it was created by Alan Greenspan. Remember the overheated economy? He kept raising interest rates to cool it down... what is a cooled down economy? A recession. Then it was talked up by the Republicans as an excuse to cut taxes for the highest income brackets turning a record surplus into a record deficit.

Remember in 2003 the GAO reported that even with the unprovoked invasion of Iraq and the recession... we would still have had a surplus except for those tax cuts.

And this (lets call it for what it is) depression was caused by collusion between Wall street and (mostly but not exclusively) conservatives in congress to gut 75 years of proven regulations that were put into place after the last one... and what is the end result...

Trillions in bailouts to the very people who caused this mess to begin with.

Think about it.

www.truthout.org
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 19-3-2009 by grover]



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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I think it's a good article and I have never thought for one second that all this happened by chance. However, I think it would be a bit ignorant to blame it all on "the Right" because I believe I'm not alone in thinking that both the "Left" and the "Right" are in collusion and are operating towards the same goal.

The whole Right/Left thing is really just there to keep us distracted, to keep us bickering and to give us someone to blame. It's the government that is at fault, the entire government, Republicans, Democrats and everyone in between. It's just different sides to the same blade.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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ooo so it was all the conservatives fault. are these the same conservatives that put california into a 40 + billion defecit? or would that happen to be the liberals?



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Boooooooo! thumbs down no Star or flag for you.

This reeks of the left!

These people need to get a clue and figure out its all of them not one side or the other.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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Another thumbs down and NO star for you!


When will people realize that WE ARE ALL being steamrolled by two different heads of the SAME snake???!!!????


Its not about right vs left, demo vs repub.


It's about the BIG eating the small. PERIOD.

[edit on 19-3-2009 by bismarcksea]



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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The liberal/conservative paradigm stains us all.

It happens here in Europe aswell..its a ploy,a divisive one at that.They want you all at each others necks,bitching and moaning about im a left and im a right..(snip)..look at the bigger picture,you have more in common than you think.


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posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 12:15 PM
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While neither party is innocent... the whole anti-tax, deregulation crowd are almost exclusively from the right and it is for the most part movement conservatives who have pushed for this agenda the hardest.

As for California actually the people did it to themselves with prop. 13 in the late 70's that capped property taxes and hamstrung the government with a required 3/4 majority to raise any taxes... but yes it is almost exclusively Republicans who have signed the no tax pledges and stand by it that do the most damage.

Regarding both parties I have always said that the only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that at least the Democrats try and kiss ya before they tell ya to bend over. With the Republicans its more akin to date rape.

[edit on 19-3-2009 by grover]



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Write a system that is capable of being hacked, and eventually the hackers can't resist their opportunity, and hack it.

As a computer programmer, I know that our government is a TOTALLY unsecure networked system. There are holes, everywhere. Leave the door open and the devil will walk in. Put the security of the whole system in the hands of People (80% of which are incapable of Piaget's Formal Operational stage of cognitive development) and you have a recipe for a hacker's stew.

M2C,
O-315

Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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If I have offended the right wingers here on ATS... then I have obviously hit the nail on the head.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 12:27 PM
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Geeze sounds like a bleeding heart liberal spewing his BS,yes here in Calif everything cost more because of the tree hugging liberals,and I guess Obama is a Republican too?,this OP has a skewed view of things



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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I will agree that the people who ran this Country from 2001 - 2008 are extremely nefarious individuals who have worked very hard to destroy the government and steal from the American public; however, I will not call them republicans any more that I would call the current leftist, socialist power structure democrats.

In reality, I think that the same people pulling the strings in the Bush administration are still pulling the strings in Obama's administration.

These people are fascists. Just because Obama is Black, doesn't mean he isn't being controlled by the growing Fascist movement in this country. I read a great book by Jim Marrs called Rise of the Fourth Reich. It is very informative, and I highly recommend it.

Think about it, fascism and socialism is the same creature with a different label. It’s all about big government, corporate control of the government/government control of the corporations, oppression of the working class (middle class is just a nice way of saying working class). In reality it’s all about rich and poor.




Fascism is a radical, authoritarian nationalist ideology that aims to create a single-party state with a government led by a dictator who seeks national unity and development by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest of the nation or race. Fascist movements promote violence between nations, political factions, and races as part of a social Darwinist and militarist stance that views violence between these groups as a natural and positive part of evolution. In the view of these groups being in perpetual conflict, fascists believe only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and have an aggressive warrior mentality by conquering, dominating, and eventually eliminating people deemed weak and degenerate.

Fascist governments permanently forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement. Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective nation or race (individualism, liberalism, representative democracy); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity (communism, class conflict, internationalism, laissez-faire capitalism, non-nationalist and class-conflict oriented labour movements); that protects and empowers people deemed weak and degenerate (egalitarianism) and that undermine the military strength and military ambitions of the nation (pacifism). They also oppose traditionalists and conservatives who may seek to preserve any of the the privileges, institutions and cultural values that fascism seeks to overthrow.

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Mixed economy

Fascist economies are typically in between laissez-faire capitalist and statist socialist economic systems. Unlike laissez-faire capitalist systems, fascist economies involve significant government intervention such as regulations, objectives, and nationalization of certain enterprises. Unlike statist socialist systems, fascist economies for the most part protect the right of private property and allowed significant independence for private free enterprise except in areas deemed vital to the national interest where private enterprise was not able to meet economic expectations of the state, in which such enterprises are nationalized. In Italy, the Fascist period presided over the creation of the largest number of state-owned enterprises in Western Europe such as the nationalization of petroleum companies in Italy into a single state enterprise called the Italian General Agency for Petroleum (Azienda Generale Italiani Petroli, AGIP).

Fascists made populist appeals to the middle class (especially the lower middle class) by promising to protect small business and small property owners from communism, and by promising an economy based on competition and profit while pledging to oppose big business.


en.wikipedia.org...

As you can see, our system of government and economic structure is quickly approching a Fascist system. We do not have a "dictator" in the traditional sense, but when the person we elect to replace the last figure head simply continues the same fascist policies of the last "adminstration" we have a dictatorship for all intents and purposes.

Obama may change certain cute policies from Bush (e.g. stem cell research, can't think of another "change") but the major policy of growing the government, nationalization of the banking system, continuing to wage wars in Iraq and Afganistan.

Obama is furthering the fascist agena even more with activities of forced volunteerism, encrochment on the 2nd amendment, nationalizing health care (I would love socialized health care as I do not have medical insurance, but I acknoledge that it is a fascist/socialist ideology).

To sum up, we do not live in a democracy, we do not live in a "two party" system. This is a fascist government/economy that is bent on control over the masses and they create these bullsh!t divisions amoung us by labeling us "democrats" and "republicans" or "Liberals" and Conservitives."

It suits them to have us arguing amoungst ourselves so long as we don't start watching them.

[edit on 19-3-2009 by finemanm]



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by grover
If I have offended the right wingers here on ATS... then I have obviously hit the nail on the head.


So, does that mean you are admitting to creating an obvious trolling thread?

If so, I would expect better of you than that.

And with all the obama negatives from less than 100 days in office, aren't you in the least concerned that your comments will end up as egg on your face?

Hint: if you really want to pursue this, better spray on the PAM (non-stick cooking spray) or real Teflon if you can get it.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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No I did not create an obvious or oblivious trolling thread I was pointing out that if I offended anyone on the right by this thread then I hit a nerve.

I mean this quite sincerely... there are those Republicans and conservatives that I do respect even if I disagree with them but the Republican party and by extension many on the right have been preempted by a movement that is simply using them to gain power. These movement conservatives know what their policies will and are doing to this country and they don't give a rats ass, all they are looking out for are the haves and want it all's. And yes there are those on the Democratic side who support them as well but they are no more representative of the left than movement conservatives are representative of the true right... yet the fact remains their power base is the Republican party.

They are traitors to both their party and to the nation and I also know that there are those on the right who see them for what they are.


[edit on 19-3-2009 by grover]



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 01:19 PM
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I am no Republican.

I do support a smaller government with no social services.

I do support a deep cut in taxes.

I do support bringing all of our military home and have them protect our borders.

I do believe that individuals can gut financial empires.

I do believe that a cut in taxes will improve the economy, and a rise in taxes will stifle it.


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posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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Grover, Grover, Grover ...

Have you been checking out the news since obama was elected? Have you read any of the top threads here on the Breaking Alternative News forum, or the Breaking Political News forum?

If you had, you would clearly see that what you post about - destroying the government - is happening, but it isn't being done by the Republicans. The "kool-aid" is or has already worn off for many of my more liberal friends. Here's to hoping that it won't take much longer for yours to wear off as well.




posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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I'm sure many of you have seen this... but I thought it bears relevance.

Right - Left ---- US form of government.




posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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I have no illusions about Obama... he's a politician and I haven't been enamored by one since I worked on the McGovern campaign... let me put it this way...

I have no faith in the Democrats but I have less faith in the Republicans.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by grover
reply to post by centurion1211
 


I have no illusions about Obama... he's a politician and I haven't been enamored by one since I worked on the McGovern campaign... let me put it this way...

I have no faith in the Democrats but I have less faith in the Republicans.


Good. You must know I feel the same (but slightly reversed).

Now we are getting closer to a place we both can operate from towards the same ends - which is getting this type of BS stopped.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 03:47 PM
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Yes but I really believe this...


I mean this quite sincerely... there are those Republicans and conservatives that I do respect even if I disagree with them but the Republican party and by extension many on the right have been preempted by a movement that is simply using them to gain power. These movement conservatives know what their policies will and are doing to this country and they don't give a rats ass, all they are looking out for are the haves and want it all's. And yes there are those on the Democratic side who support them as well but they are no more representative of the left than movement conservatives are representative of the true right... yet the fact remains their power base is the Republican party.

They are traitors to both their party and to the nation and I also know that there are those on the right who see them for what they are.



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