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Apollo 11 Armrstrong “These babies were huge, sir!”

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posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:37 AM
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Originally posted by Jools
reply to post by Phage
 


Hey Phage you are as fast with info as a 'fly hitting a windscreen'...but this particular info still 'old

1994/96...mmmmm

What about 2009 signals?



Multiple browser windows left open to various search engines with saved links, standing by in the task bar, and hotkeys to insert key words and to call them up, does wonders for "on the fly" responses. Its quite helpful finding research quickly.

This issue about the laser measuerment reflectors and if they were somewhat byond the technology of the time.

HeNe gas lasers were around since the 50's. Quite cumbersome, dangerous to operate, but quite effective, and some powerful enough to burn a hole through several inches of metal. Using mirrors and optics, these beams were directed towards the reflectors left on the Moon to conduct measurements of various sorts, mostly to measure the distance of the Moon. But they could also be used to detect seismic activity.

Though it might have seemed like the dark ages all those decades ago, they were not exactly working with sticks and stones in the late 60's and early 70's.



Cheers!!!!




posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by nine-eyed-eel
I remember hearing about the "ham radio ops hear hidden UFO moon transmissions denied by NASA" concept in the mid 1970s ...doesn't mean it's true but it has been around for a while.


Just about every ham back then usually recorded their activities on the ham radio with either reel to reel audio recorders or cassette recorders, some even using the old 8-track recorders.

Rest assured, there are some of them old ham buffs still around that recorded that stuff and are sitting on their prized collections of tapes.


Cheers!!!!



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:57 AM
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So is there an actual recording or official transcript where the "these babies are huge, sir" quote originates from?

The only official NASA transcript posted here has the music-on-the-moon text alright, but not the one above.

As long as there's no official source to verify this could be made up by anyone.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by errorist
So is there an actual recording or official transcript where the "these babies are huge, sir" quote originates from?

The only official NASA transcript posted here has the music-on-the-moon text alright, but not the one above.

As long as there's no official source to verify this could be made up by anyone.


I doubt that NASA is going to let loose of original, unaltered transcripts just as they have not released any of the original unaltered audio recordings.

The only reliable source would be to locate one of these old ham operators that recorded those transmissions. They are out there, they just have to be found.


Cheers!!!!



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by Jools
Very interesting thread- thanks. I have a problem with this firstly:

If some kind of music was heard by Apollo 10 crew- presumably by radio transmission? Wouldn't SETI or Radio Telescopes be picking such stuff up nowadays?

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Good point.

And yes - The various radio telescopes around the world have indeed reported the same whistling noises of varying tone and amplitude.

Music it is not. Not in the sense of separate instruments playing distinct harmonics.
The transcript mentions a whistling sound (like musik).

The radio whistling received by the radio telescopes have been attributed to "radio stars" - e.g. stars that emit in the radio band.

When I was young and had just read stories about the HAM operators that picked up those very interesting Apollo conversations I tried hunting down some of them. Often in the books and articles they were referred to as HAM radio amateurs, but sometimes there were call signs mentioned.
Unfortunately I didn't get a certificate for "proper" multi band HAM radio, but I had friends who did. My then physics teacher in school had a huge array of radio equipment at school and he tried to help track them down.
Needles to say I(we) never found any of them.

So I have now come to the conclusion that those old books that so readily quoted secret sources inside Pentagon, NASA, JPL, Presidents Office, Groom Lake reverse engineering technicians etc. - well, they were mostly just a load of lies.

I distincly remember some satellite photos I got from NASA on the advise from a book. In the book was mentioned numbers and dates of a specific set of satellite pictures (I think this was a book on the "Hollow Earth"). I got a number of glossies from NASA and a hand written note saying "Man, You've been had".
I think I still have the pictures and the note somewhere in my junk piles.

What also strikes me is when people are quoted (with a name) as having had a sighting and they later are tracked down and clearly states that "they never said that", those people are almost always excused with "The Black Men have gotten to them". I think that sometimes the person quoting them are lying.
I have some very recent personal experinces with the Mytomania (Münchausen Syndrome) of the press totally twisting facts less than two hours after they were presented with them. Even to the point of twisting them further and further during a few hours where their story got more and more embellished.

No - I don't trust people claiming they got this or that evidence from a reliable source.
I want to see footage of the person handing over said evidence. And I want the camera to pan from person to evidence without having been cut.
Then I MIGHT trust it.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by observe50
Well, I know I have been telling you the Grey's are within our Moon for a long time.

There is alien life all over our Solar System.

Hasn't it ever made you wonder why the first man on the Moon Neil Armstrong never used this achievement to his fullest in his and his families life. WHY? Wouldn't you think Neil would have or should have been out in the public promoting space travel being needed and getting the young involved in this topic.

I don't go with he wanted to have a private life crap. He and Buzz know the truth and if they are lieing to we the people which I have no doubt they are, then one day I do hope it comes back and bites them in there a&&e&.

I think his "private" behaviour is a reflection of his conscience. He feels guilty about lying about the moon landings and so has two choices:
A. Tell the truth which conflicts with his secrecy oaths.
B. Say as little as possible.
He's chosen B which allows him to maintain the oaths he took and lie as little as possible.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 04:10 AM
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Originally posted by RFBurns
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Just about every ham back then usually recorded their activities on the ham radio with either reel to reel audio recorders or cassette recorders, some even using the old 8-track recorders.

Rest assured, there are some of them old ham buffs still around that recorded that stuff and are sitting on their prized collections of tapes.
***snip***


Somehow I find it strange that none of them have released anything in all those years they have had them. Even though they cannot be in doubts as to the significance of those recordings.

Or perhaps the simple truth is that there isn't anything special to release?

By all means direct me to someone with a genuine recording. It's about time we blew this coverup wide open.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 04:10 AM
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Trying to locate one of these old ham operators with their recordings is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

It does not mean that the needle does not exist, it means the task of finding it requires a lot more than just scanning frequencies on some radio gear for a few hours and then giving up.

Serious research requires consistant searching for that piece of evidence.

Sounds to me like you gave up too soon, and so you say that none of the statements made by those astronauts could be true.

I would not give up so quickly. Somewhere out there, in some attic sitting in a box, or in some basement sitting in a box, are some reel to reel tapes, cassettes, or even 8-track recordings from these old ham operators just waiting to be found.

Out of that list you found with those old call signs, did you try to look up the license holder's information via the FCC website to try to contact them or their relatives to see if by chance there might be some old recordings lying around?

Might be another step to finding out the truth instead of just throwing in the towel and declaring it all bogus.



Cheers!!!!



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

Originally posted by RFBurns
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Just about every ham back then usually recorded their activities on the ham radio with either reel to reel audio recorders or cassette recorders, some even using the old 8-track recorders.

Rest assured, there are some of them old ham buffs still around that recorded that stuff and are sitting on their prized collections of tapes.
***snip***


Somehow I find it strange that none of them have released anything in all those years they have had them. Even though they cannot be in doubts as to the significance of those recordings.

Or perhaps the simple truth is that there isn't anything special to release?

By all means direct me to someone with a genuine recording. It's about time we blew this coverup wide open.



Maybe becasue their interest was not to save them to prove to the public 30 some odd years later that dont believe. Perhaps their intent was to simply keep record of their radio operation activities, which is in fact the very reason why ham operators back then did record their conversations and receptions on their ham gear. I know...I was a ham buff in those days and I too recorded my daily operations, not just on the QSL logs, but also on audio tapes.

I too would like to hear some of those recordings.

No I did not record any NASA transmissions from the Apollo missions. Back then I was not interested in monitoring the missions on my ham rigs, I got enough information aobut the program nightly on the television. You see, back then, the 3 major networks did not fill their airtime with a bunch of BS like they do today. Back then, NASA actually had nightly reports and even hour long or more special segment programs about the Apollo missions, long interviews with other astronauts, scientists, NASA engeineers, the works.

Today, your lucky to see a 2 minute snippet on MSM about some rock or waste dump spray.

I suggest taking that list you created of old ham operators and their call signs, look them up on the public database at the FCC website and try to track down these guys, or their relatives if they have passed on, and see if any of them may have left some stuff around sitting in some storage shed or some box stashed away in an attic or basement.

Its a wild shot, but its a 50/50 shot. There is a chance that you might score a bullseye hit.


Cheers!!!!

[edit on 20-3-2009 by RFBurns]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 04:26 AM
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Geez read the freakin transcript yourselves. You will see that these phrases are said but not in the context that you believers are using them for. This things were huge was a freaking statement about how big the boulders were..as for the music...it wasn't music it was a whistling sound...that came from thier craft after the were doing something to it. Just read them yourselves you will see there was nothing to them.

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posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 04:31 AM
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Great discussion, but has anyone seen the Moon missions AFTER 17?

I did my first post in 2007 on this subject. It quite frankly blew me away. Aliens, massive ship and city found on the dark side. Videos were removed from YouTube, but now on Revver.com (see link below)

When Apollo 17 filmed the dark side they caught sight of something. In a crater a mile-long ship was abandoned. It had been there for tens of thousands of years. That was the beginnings of Apollo 18, 19, 20 who actually launched secretly from Vandenberg in California landed near the massive crater and investigated. I have not found problems with the videos or the documents, but have a read and see how involved this was.
You can see for yourself.

Interview with William Rutledge


All the videos are here:

Apollo 18-19-20 secret missions

If true, really shows the Moon's very ancient visitors and their presence to be quite extensive.

ZG


[edit on 3/20/2009 by ZeroGhost]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 04:31 AM
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reply to post by HolgerTheDane
 

Hi Holger,

I have written about a strange noise.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 05:15 AM
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Hey ZeroGhost see those videos that link takes you to, i thought those where supposed to be fake videos?



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 05:34 AM
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Those are all fake videos. 2nd line



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 05:54 AM
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There never were any recordings from the ham operators. Someone just used that idea to give pheasability to their story about astronauts observing aliens on the moon.



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by cruzion
There never were any recordings from the ham operators. Someone just used that idea to give pheasability to their story about astronauts observing aliens on the moon.


Quite a claim there friend...were you ever a ham operator in the late 60's like I was??

It was a common practice for hams to record their voice transmissions for record keeping, and it was also common for hams to record reception of QSL and shortwave radio receptions. It was a way to provide proof of operational compliance when and if the FCC ever requested for such records.

I have tons of old tapes of communications I made on the ham bands from 68 through 75. I never recorded any NASA or Apollo transmissions, but that doesnt mean that other ham operators monitoring those signals never did.



Cheers!!!!



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by RFBurns
reply to post by HolgerTheDane
 


Trying to locate one of these old ham operators with their recordings is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

It does not mean that the needle does not exist, it means the task of finding it requires a lot more than just scanning frequencies on some radio gear for a few hours and then giving up.


And you would be right. The needle MIGHT exist. But honestly - don't you think that with all the hype about UFO's and even on international television, there would be the odd HAM amateur that thought to himself - "Oh I remember those Apollo missions where they talked openly about UFO's. Luckily I taped them. I'd better go find that tape".



Serious research requires consistant searching for that piece of evidence.

Sounds to me like you gave up too soon, and so you say that none of the statements made by those astronauts could be true.

I would not give up so quickly. Somewhere out there, in some attic sitting in a box, or in some basement sitting in a box, are some reel to reel tapes, cassettes, or even 8-track recordings from these old ham operators just waiting to be found.


Well in them days we didn't have an internet based list of call signs. All we could do was send out an APB asking for information on the owner of a given call sign. Maybe even the owner would contact us back.
We didn't get any positive feedback and no call sign owner reported back.
I do not remember for how long we tried - perhaps a week - but if you would do a better job at finding the missing tapes - please do so.




Out of that list you found with those old call signs, did you try to look up the license holder's information via the FCC website to try to contact them or their relatives to see if by chance there might be some old recordings lying around?



As I said - no list - just the odd reference in a book. We are talking books published before 1980.

And no - we didn't have internet back then.




Might be another step to finding out the truth instead of just throwing in the towel and declaring it all bogus.


I'm not declaring it all bogus.
I'm saying that anyone writing a UFO book can - and obviously do - claim to have secret information and they cannot disclose the source. Anyone can claim or fabricate written sighting information. Anyone can make up a reference to some local paper and an article that strangely cannot be located again (removed by the Black Men of course). Anyone can say that they have talked to several people that have had close encounters but were afraid to tell about it. Anyone.

Point is that if I claim that I have talked to an intelligence officer who reveals that it's all fabrication perpetrated by hoaxers and people who have FUN observing the blind followers THEN I'm a liar.

If some obscure idiot who makes money out of writing books about UFO's claims to have talked to officials who doesn't want to be outed THEN THEY are telling the truth. EVEN if said book contains loads of references to PROVEN hoaxes or proven misinterpretations.

Give them the benefit of the doubt but "evil gestures" towards all those that voice doubts about the charlatans and fraudsters.

The famous Armstrong discussion with an unnamed professor. A blatant lie, but because it has been written in enough books then it has become truth to believers.

I do believe in UFO's but I reserve the right to doubt so called "evidence".

And I do my own research thank you very much.
When the hot topic was Pyramidal Energy I read the books and wondered. Then I built my own scale models and started experimenting with the energy from those models. No sharpening of razor blades but definitely something odd was going on. Maybe I should start a thread about my findings. Hmmm...?



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by RFBurns
***snip***
I have tons of old tapes of communications I made on the ham bands from 68 through 75. I never recorded any NASA or Apollo transmissions, but that doesnt mean that other ham operators monitoring those signals never did.


You obviously have a load of contacts from back then.

Wouldn't you be the obvious guy to contact old contacts and ask about those famous recording?



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

Originally posted by RFBurns
reply to post by HolgerTheDane
 


Trying to locate one of these old ham operators with their recordings is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

It does not mean that the needle does not exist, it means the task of finding it requires a lot more than just scanning frequencies on some radio gear for a few hours and then giving up.


And you would be right. The needle MIGHT exist. But honestly - don't you think that with all the hype about UFO's and even on international television, there would be the odd HAM amateur that thought to himself - "Oh I remember those Apollo missions where they talked openly about UFO's. Luckily I taped them. I'd better go find that tape".


Not really. Most of those old tyme ham operators were quite serious about their hobby. I dont think that even after decades of all the UFO buff, that the thought of "oh maybe I should disrupt my retirement and go find those tapes so I can become a part of that ridiculed bunch and ruin the rest of my life" trap.

There are most likely some that want to put their tapes out there, but you know as well as I do...they will be trashed and bashed becasue there will be those that will say they faked those tapes.

To some, even a shark bitting them in the butt doesnt make them believe they are being eaten alive.


Originally posted by HolgerTheDane


Serious research requires consistant searching for that piece of evidence.

Sounds to me like you gave up too soon, and so you say that none of the statements made by those astronauts could be true.

I would not give up so quickly. Somewhere out there, in some attic sitting in a box, or in some basement sitting in a box, are some reel to reel tapes, cassettes, or even 8-track recordings from these old ham operators just waiting to be found.


Well in them days we didn't have an internet based list of call signs. All we could do was send out an APB asking for information on the owner of a given call sign. Maybe even the owner would contact us back.
We didn't get any positive feedback and no call sign owner reported back.
I do not remember for how long we tried - perhaps a week - but if you would do a better job at finding the missing tapes - please do so.


You didnt have to have interent in the late 70's to find a list of ham operators and their addresses. All you needed was a library, or a telephone, and/or a mailing address. Anyone could simply request for a list of licensed ham operators, and most libraries was the place to start, or even finding a ham ticket examiner, which just about every city and town across America, would have at least one close by, to where they could point you in the right direction and to get in touch with resources. ARRL being one of em.



Originally posted by HolgerTheDane



Out of that list you found with those old call signs, did you try to look up the license holder's information via the FCC website to try to contact them or their relatives to see if by chance there might be some old recordings lying around?



As I said - no list - just the odd reference in a book. We are talking books published before 1980.

And no - we didn't have internet back then.


I hate to break the news to you, but life existed without the interent for centuries and managed to maintain contact and send and receieve information via mail carrier. There were also libraries and telephones back then too.



Originally posted by HolgerTheDane



Might be another step to finding out the truth instead of just throwing in the towel and declaring it all bogus.


I'm not declaring it all bogus.
I'm saying that anyone writing a UFO book can - and obviously do - claim to have secret information and they cannot disclose the source. Anyone can claim or fabricate written sighting information. Anyone can make up a reference to some local paper and an article that strangely cannot be located again (removed by the Black Men of course). Anyone can say that they have talked to several people that have had close encounters but were afraid to tell about it. Anyone.


That is true, however if a source is to be protected from the trash and bash bunch, it stands to reason that source will remain protected, which IMO is an honorable thing to do.

Now consider what you wrote there for a minute. It also works in reverse. A reliable source, who publishes their evidence themselves, are subject to being declared a hoaxer, a fabricator, a liar. Now these retired ol ham operators are enjoying their golden years in peace, and the last thing they want is for the bogus bandi bunch to be throwing mud at them just because they can..and will.

It wont matter if those folks bring forth their tapes. No one will accept them as truth. Everyone has been programmed to think that there is only one credible source to verify all of this...NASA...and yet that one lone source is well known to lie and cover up stuff. How ironic is that friend?


Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
Point is that if I claim that I have talked to an intelligence officer who reveals that it's all fabrication perpetrated by hoaxers and people who have FUN observing the blind followers THEN I'm a liar.


No that doesnt make you the liar, it makes your source the liar. You are the messenger, not the author. People need to learn the difference between the two. But its much easier to just throw a blanket across truth and call it BS than it is to actually look at the whole picture and try to understand it. That requires brain excersise, critical thinking....something that seriously lacks in today's society.


Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
If some obscure idiot who makes money out of writing books about UFO's claims to have talked to officials who doesn't want to be outed THEN THEY are telling the truth. EVEN if said book contains loads of references to PROVEN hoaxes or proven misinterpretations.


It is not the author's fault that they make a ton of money writting books filled with verified hoaxed resources. The fault lies in the people who spend the money on said book. It is the "Look before you Leap" scenario.

If people would just do a tiny bit of their own research instead of just jumping the gun and falling into the abyss, then perhaps there would be less authors of books making a killing off of the easily swayed sheeple with books filled with bogus information.

Its the old saying...buyer beware..ignore it and you dare..dare yourself for a fall, a stall, or a lemon. Either way...awareness is not something handed out in droves..that comes from within.



Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
Give them the benefit of the doubt but "evil gestures" towards all those that voice doubts about the charlatans and fraudsters.

The famous Armstrong discussion with an unnamed professor. A blatant lie, but because it has been written in enough books then it has become truth to believers.


Tell a lie enough times to enough people, soon they believe it. Again that reverts back to being self aware and using conciousness to examine things around you. Expecting truth to be handed to you on a gold plate never happens. Thats why so many buy into the obvious and verfiable bunk. They expect truth to just drop in their laps with little to no effort on their part. Its called being brain lazy.



Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
I do believe in UFO's but I reserve the right to doubt so called "evidence".


A good UFO researcher does just that. Being skeptical is one thing, but being skeptical with a closed mind is subject to never discovering anything byond that.


Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
And I do my own research thank you very much.


Never said that you didnt. Never implied that you didnt. Not sure where that one is comming from.


Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
When the hot topic was Pyramidal Energy I read the books and wondered. Then I built my own scale models and started experimenting with the energy from those models. No sharpening of razor blades but definitely something odd was going on. Maybe I should start a thread about my findings. Hmmm...?


That would be an interesting discussion. And there is a ton of verifiable and credible resources on the subject out there. There is also a ton of BS out there too. I suspect however, that you are well aware of how to seperate the wheat from the chaff and make a decent loaf of bread. Or in other words, work with the verified data, expand on that, experiment, report the results as they are and not create results.



Cheers!!!!

[edit on 20-3-2009 by RFBurns]



posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
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One can assume that whatever civilization has to have laws in order to promote safety aboard spacecraft. Our planes have lights on them. It's probably safe to assume that alien spacecraft also must have safety lights on them as well.


Why lights?



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