Thats a really cool picture. I've shown my friends lots of pictures of forrests and lakes on Mars an marsanomalyresearch.com. Though I'm a little choked at the video I linked above right now. I'm on the second video, and while it brings up ideas such as the soul trap machine, initially there is a lack of logic in putting ideas on the same page that are opposite. Ie. A pyramid on Mars was destroyed with scalar weaponry (very likely) with the message "we are murdered!". Next the idea there was a war between Mars and Earth (not true actually, rather there was a war between fascist renegade elements that were on both Mars and Earth, as well as other outposts against other people also on those planets and outposts, extending even to the races home systems. It was a war between renegades and more positive races.) Apparently Mars won according to the video and trapped earth. Then why did they have a message that they were murdered. I feel looking at the information is interesting especially how ties in work by the Nazis, but the spin is a bit wrong.

Edit to add: And who said the war was finished in any case? I see it sort of like a cold war ever since! Furthermore I'm really seeing a lot of out of control male energy or testosterone running amok in our whole galaxy. We need a womens movement everywhere it looks like!

[edit on 1-4-2009 by mystiq]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I'm a Third Order Catholic. My best friend is in Opus Dei.
I understand it perfectly.

Just because a friend told you about it doesn't mean you know everything.. You even claimed that the Opus Dei is only for adults, obviously you didn't even know there are Opus Dei clubs for kids..... So the one deceiving is you, because it is obvious you don't know anytyhing about the Opus Dei, and that Catholic Priests and nuns do say things they are not supposed to say... and you are naive enough to actually claim that in your mind all Catholic priests must be perfect, and that this proves that I am deceiving?...

Again, I am getting tired of you keep claiming I am deceiving... I am not, but you sure are with your twisting of what people say when it suits you, perhaps it has to do with the lies of your faith... After all, it was because of your own faith that thousands, and possibly hundreds of thousands of innocent people were burnt at stakes, or were drowned in some other stupid tests... and yes there are still stupid Catholic, Christian, and priests from other religions who think a person must be possessed by the devil, or that it is the work of the devil because someone else has had a different experience and different beliefs than them...

You are the only deceitful person here, because you are only looking for conflict, and not for a constructive open discussion.

I really dont care what you think, it is quite that simple.

So go to some other discussion, perhaps the rant section, and claim whatever you want to claim there...

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Catholic priests are NOT allowed to proclaim someone possessed.

That does not mean they do not say such things.... Obviously you think all Catholics are perfect, and follow the rules perfectly, you are wrong. I have seen, and was right next to my mother when a spanish nun told my mother there were no toys there for me in Christmas because we were not from Spain, and i did not deserve them, and my mother cried because my parents could not afford toys in the first years of us living in Spain, and of course even with my mother crying your perfect catholic nun would not budge, and with her very loving attitute she left to do some other perfect Catholic deed... That's a perfect nun of your faith for you...you can keep her, and others like her as well as priests, as you can keep your twisting words to yourself...

Do not tell me you know better because you don't, you just want to argue, obviously you feed off conflicts, so go to the streets, or to a bar and vent whatever in the world is bugging you....which has nothing to do with the truth...

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Exposing deception is not a game.

You have not exposed anything, except that you are a very ignorant person.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
If you were supposedly declared 'possessed' by the priests (something they can't do) then why would you then be put into a Catholic Kids Camp? If you were supposedly possessed in their eyes, then there would have been an exorcism ... they wouldn't have shipped you off to a kids camp. What good would that do? They can't exorcise anyone. It's just a camp.

Declared possessed SO I WAS shipped off to .... .

I was giving a timeline of what was happening to me, although what the catholic prists said was not the main reason, it would be part of the reason why my mother would want me in catholic circles.....

If i were to retell my whole life i would have to write a whole book... Again, you are trying to nickpick because you have nothing else to do....

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Nope. I did NOT try to claim they were 'all indicative' of demonic possession. That's for an authorized excorsist to decide. And if you'll notice I said that dementia isn't a demonic possession trait. It's a disease.

...and now it's time for me to nickpick....you claimed...

That's what demonic activity does. It will appear mostly as something friendly or as a being of light ...so you will invite it in ... but every so often the true evil nature will come through.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
No. I'm showing that your story has holes and contradictions.

No, you are not, in fact, you are not even worth of any response. Go to a bar to pcik a fight because that's what you are here for, nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
If you can't handle the facts ... ignore them. I don't care.

Facts? the only facts you have shown is that you try to nitpick, and you twist anything and everything and "try" to present it as a fact when all you are doing is twisting people's words...



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Ah, and lets not forget more examples of your "perfect Catholic priests... In Spain there are still some monasteries in which inside their walls they still have the skeloton remains of babies from the sexual relations between Catholic priests and Catholic nuns...Who will bury the babies in the walls so the higher ups would not find out what the priests and nuns were doing. There you have another example of your "perfect catholic priests" and nuns.... and you want to talk about what some of your "perfect" catholic priests and nuns still do to these days?...



[edit on 1-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by AndreDC
hey buddy i guess you've read the terra papers a little too much and had a nightmare lol because the earth does get blown up in that lil story and it does solve a lot of problems but more come and then # #s up and yeah basicly get shipped back to earth after they piece it all together and supposedly now we're all ran by reptiles... lmao you guys and your payote.

I have not read these Terra papers. I have had these visions since I was a boy and didn't have any literature to read, and i wasn't daydreaming. It was more my mind was blank and i kept seeing these visions.

Notice that not too long ago no official from the vatican would even contemplate to say that alien life exists, or is possible, and any priest claiming such a thing would not remain a priest for long. Yet now Vatican officials are making statements that the bible allows for aliens to exist, and their existance does not contradict the belief in God. They are doing this for a reason

Marsanamolyresearch shows differences in the tubes and some of the tube pics.
It was interesting because when I first saw the pics, I think on Hoagland's site, it seemed like strange, more random (than something built) biological decayed, casing. I thought, yeah.....worms, giant worms, like in Dune. Cool! And very creepy. Then on the site above, this was the researchers opinon as well, and he provides more pics of what appears to be writing large worms under the ground. Just creeped me right out! Mars probably has similarities to Dune, and maybe inspired it I thought. Would need really good scalar kind of sonic stuff to counter those guys.

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At this point the ets that are there, and the worms can fight it out, its not my cup of tea, plus in my memories, Mars was more of a stop gap for the ets, and I believe earth was the project that was being worked on. Also with the contact I have had, I've gotten postcards from a race of nordics that wear skin tight blue uniforms. I'm not sure who this would be. And there was something that comes to me frequently that I have been trying to get info on but actually got warned not to get too curious so, connected to my memory leaks and a nordic. I've been researching Alpha Centaurus and Rigel, and the Procyon system and the connection between Rigel and the Procyon, because theres only been one report of testimony about this. In any case, how do we know which systems are positive or negative and taken over based on one persons testimony. If they're black op for example, they could be painting the wrong guys black.

Originally posted by mystiq
Marsanamolyresearch shows differences in the tubes and some of the tube pics.
It was interesting because when I first saw the pics, I think on Hoagland's site, it seemed like strange, more random (than something built) biological decayed, casing. I thought, yeah.....worms, giant worms, like in Dune. Cool! And very creepy. Then on the site above, this was the researchers opinon as well, and he provides more pics of what appears to be writing large worms under the ground. Just creeped me right out! Mars probably has similarities to Dune, and maybe inspired it I thought. Would need really good scalar kind of sonic stuff to counter those guys.

[edit on 1-4-2009 by mystiq]

Interesting that you should mention this.

I was watching the discovery channel about 19 years ago, and I remember watching a nature program about lions on the tv, but then suddenly the tv went black, and I started seeing a video clip of an astronaut who seemed to be walking on the Moon and seemed to be frantic, jumping in slow motion trying to get away from something, when the camera panned to the Moon floor, there was something moving underground, and leaving what could be described as worm tubes. I kept watching this, and then thought about recording it, when I was about to get up to get a tape recorded the tv went black again, then there was static, and it went back to it's original programing.

The whole video looked real, I tried for many years to find out what in the world that was all about. BTW, as I have stated several times I don't do any kind of illegal drugs, never had, and never will.

But I could never believe this possible since the Moon almost has no atmosphere to speak of, and it receives very high levels of radiation that should kill anything and everything, unless that is there are forms of life that have adapted to this.

When i watched Dune for the first time it reminded me of that video clip I saw, as well as the other references of the movie, and book about awakening the sleeper, which has always been part of my goal.



[edit on 8-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

What happened with your tv was very interesting, and if they wanted to leave some information that was being buried, this is the kind of thing I think is done once in a while. So the moon too. Well the whole atmosphere thing is debatable completely, because all we have are their word. The soil is rich and can grow anything. I highly recommend Ingo Swann's book Penetration, they have a version you can read on scribd. First he explains his remote viewing experiment that he was hired to do, and he was very surprised at the outcome. Following that, he brings in enormous amounts of research to show theres far more to the moon than meets the eye.

You'd have to be from an advanced race with good technology to deal with such an infestation. So Dune and Tremours could be real.

Originally posted by mystiq
What happened with your tv was very interesting, and if they wanted to leave some information that was being buried, this is the kind of thing I think is done once in a while. So the moon too. Well the whole atmosphere thing is debatable completely, because all we have are their word. The soil is rich and can grow anything. I highly recommend Ingo Swann's book Penetration, they have a version you can read on scribd. First he explains his remote viewing experiment that he was hired to do, and he was very surprised at the outcome. Following that, he brings in enormous amounts of research to show theres far more to the moon than meets the eye.

You'd have to be from an advanced race with good technology to deal with such an infestation. So Dune and Tremours could be real.

I thought about that too. Maybe someone in the DC had been able to obtain that video and put it for the public to see, and when someone noticed it it was quickly taken away.

I am not really sure what it was, I didn't see any worms or anything like that, so it could also be mechanical and not biological. But who knows, what sort of life exists out there? It is more than possible that there are worms similar to tremors, and Dune.

I do think that life exists in very different shapes, and forms out there. We even find to this day species of animals never seen before, and some which we thought were extinct millions of years ago in our own backyard.

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There is some indication that the moon is older than the solar system even. But I believe theres evidence for the existence of Tiamat. I fogot the name Alex Collier called, the nordic one rather than the Annanuki one.

Hey i read though this... i do alot of meditation and for a few months now ive been remembering things that are not from this life ... i remember a war but when i was on the planet there was little to no life left , it was like everyone had left and the ones that where left where trying to survive we where running out of resource's and day after day i saw more of the people i know die until there was just me left. i can't remember who we where fighting but we didnt have guns just our own made weapons from things we had found. as i said there was little to no life the buildings where al deserted and there wasnt much of vegitation it was just a waste land whats worse is i know what happend to the planet i used to be on is going to happen here i dont know when but i can see it and you said there was going to be a natural desaster your right there is ... youve read the story of noahs ark right ? well its not just a story well the part with the animals and all that well that could be aloud of crap but the flood really happend becouse there was a polar shift just before the last ice age. Thats going to happen again its only a matter of time hasnt anyone noticed the change in weather ? its a sure sign

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by matth
Very intriguing read my friend and one I can relate to.

I often wonder, due to the teaching of that word "imagination", what really is imagination and what is your soul's past; if you believe in that type of stuff, which I do.

Starred and flagged, peace!

But what is imagination really? Einstein himsel said: "imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge has limits, while with imagination there are no boundaries."

If you think about it, imagination is nothing more than thoughts, and thoughts are energy. Energy is infinite, it has no beginning, and no end. Most people just remember part of cycles, as in the current life, and at times there are people, like many others including myself lucky enough to remember some past lives.

But do we really "create" anything through imagination? I have often wondered about that, and I have always come to the same conclusion.

Even science tells us "energy cannot be created, nor destroyed, it just transforms". So there is no way that we can create any thoughts, since energy is infinite, but what I am certain we do is we can be vessels, or channels for energy/thoughts. Of course, there are thoughts which have to do with our daily lives.

It is very possible that some of what we call imagination, and what we channel gets confused by our brains at times, because after all, we are also human. But even those confused dreams people sometimes have, are thoughts/energy which we did not create, but rather that was channeled.

It is also true that many dreams are but your unconscious trying to tell you something about a problem in real life, or just about ordinary things you did during the day that gets garbled, and at times it is confusing to people. However, in my own experience I have had visions, while being awake, and I have been able to see near future events, what I also deeply believe to be future events, and I believe it was a way for my spirit to tell me that there are preordained things in life.

I have been able to see for example what will happen throughout the day before it happens, but this most of the time occurs within a few seconds, and then as the day unfolds I have been able to foretell, and even say what people would say, and what they would do. However, this does not happen always, and I have no control over it.

Most people go through life thinking they can forever control their destiny, but I have learned that at the end, even with some free will, we always choose what our spirits had agreed to experience, and do in this life.

We are much more than just a brain, dominated by electrical discharges caused by chemical reactions in it, and our bodies. We, just as everything else, are made out of energy, and energy is eternal. Our true selves, our spirits decide what we should experience in the present life before we enter our current bodies. Our souls are the collection of all our emotions, and moral ethics that we pick up through our experiences through life.

Back to your question. Imagination are not thoughts that we just create out of nothing. There are more than one universe, there is a multiuniverse which is infinite, and in it is the collection of all thoughts that exist, all the energy that exists, which again, is not created nor destroyed, but rather transformed into other forms of energy until we become an entity and become self aware. I could always be wrong of course, but deep inside I know that this is part of the truth of what we are, and what everything that exists is.



[edit on 19-3-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Words from the soul. Much love and light to you.

Namaste'

OP.... great post and very believable.... i wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it like others have.... it's only because they have never experienced anything like it so it gets dismissed and because they are probably very religious so refuse to believe anything much outside of what the book says!

I am a Spiritual guy but not a member of any religious cult... i have my own mind and respond accordingly...

I have had experiences in my life too but not of another life just strange paranormal experiences.... so i'm not going to deny your experiences....