Originally posted by undo
clearly the text does not mean real heavenly bodies. one third of the stars would do more than land here, they'd pulverize the planet in less than a second

Not if it is fragments, meteors from such object. An object of that magnitude has meteors, and comets around it. Meteors can fall on Earth and not pulverize it.

To the ancients seen this massive body and meteors they would think the meeors are part of the star.

Sitchen is not the only one to mention this object as being massive. Many cultures mention it as a star. Probably a dead companion to our Sun, which didn't have enough density to ignite.

these verses are talking about the same exact event in more detail

8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

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they further identify the event in the opening of chapter 9

1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace.

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Originally posted by undo
the problem is, and you keep ignoring this (which is perplexing?), the fallen stars are always identified as beings, fallen angelic beings. when the biblical texts referred to space junk (rocks, meteors, etc), they'd call them rocks, not mountains who are later identified as beings with keys to open gates

Where are they identified as beings? I think you are the one making that connection, and i don't understand why you will find it perplexing that someone else would see it differently than you.

If you are referring to Ezequiel's wheel, within a wheel from which a being came out, this is different, and yes it is a story about an alien encounter that Ezequiel had.

Originally posted by undo


1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace.

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This is exactly what happens when a large meteor hits the Earth.

The star given the key to the shaft of the abyss could very well be a reference of a meteor opening a large hole into a magma chamber.

There are no references of angels inside this star/stars which could very well be pieces, or meteors of the large star/planet.

the mention of the Angels sounding their trumpets is probably the interpretation of the writer that this is an act of God through his Angels.

It is well known that God sends his Angles to do his bidding, and the writers of the gospel thought the angels made this happen, but there is no mention of the Angels being inside, or coming out of anything.

the star is identified as a "him". he opens the abyss with a key, which is the abzu of enki. the smoke and fire of a great furnace could be glowing power and steam. remember, he's using words he has available to him at the time

Originally posted by FlyersFan

No ... facts are not 'ignorant responses'. They are just facts.

Laughing in ignorance for what you don't know, and don't udnerstand are not facts. It is the bullying of an ignorant person who needs to feel better by laughing at what he doesn't understand.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
No. Catholic priests are NOT allowed to state that a person is possessed by the devil. There has to be an inquiry done by the local Bishops office. Only the exorcist appointed by the Bishops office can deem someone possessed. Therefore your statement that your mother took you to priests who said you were possessed ... and then your statement that you showed no signs of possession ... are not only wrong but contradictory.

Again you are wrong, catholic priest can say a lot of things without having to go to Bishops.... Obviously you think that priests must go to Bishops to be able to speak freely... he wasn't announcing to the world this, he thought the things I was describing were of the devil, which is a Catholic belief, and Catholics, even priests don't need a Bishop to have this belief, and to express it....

Also obviously you seem to think that everytime a priest says "that which you are doing is the devils work", or "you must be possessed by the devil", or if any priest makes a false first impression by what he hears someone tell him, that the priest must immediately go to a Bishop and ask if he can say this.... and that doesn't happen...

Stop your ignorant game. You are just trying to nickpick anything and everything because you don't have anything else to do.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Atazar is a kids camp. It is NOT any kind of rehabilitation for people
who think their kids are possessed. That's supposedly why you were there, right? You said that you got put in the camp because allegedly a bunch of priests said you were possessed. So why would you get stuck in a kids camp to de-possess you if that wasn't even the function of the kids camp and if you showed no signs of possession to begin with?

...I never claimed I was sent there for rehabilitation, but my mother wanted me in the club because she was worried and she wanted me to be in a Catholic environment , and her employer made it so...

Originally posted by FlyersFan
No where did I claim to 'know everything about demonic possession'.

First you claimed this is BS, or hallucination, and then you try to claim my experiences were all indicative of demonic possesion...so yes, you did imply to know what my spiritual experiences were, in this case you claimed they were indicative of demonic possession...

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Actually my statements are the most constructive thing going on this thread. Anyone can come along with a fantastic story. It's when the facts are presented that we see if the story holds up.

They are not, you are just a bully that needs to feed off denigrading others.

Have a nice day, and you don't need to respond back. There are thousands of other posts, and if you are interested in any of those you are welcomed to respond there, but here you are showing to be nothing more than a selfish, ignorant person.

BTW, you have not presented any facts whatsoever.



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I believe that most of the bible, scriptures of various religons are MC, and a slave instruction manual if you will, with borrowed myths, depictions of events, ets and wars, etc etc. I do believe in the Creator, outside the matrix, and evolution of souls. She's very positive, not in the least a war mongler. She doesn't depopulate a planet and push reset buttons. Ets and nature do this, but She doesn't. When those memories flooded me, one thing that was with me for days and days, along the whole time thing, looking through a window of time that was so enormous but to my soul felt like recalling a memory from a more recent trip, that kind of made my whole psyche spin and feel confused for a week or more, but the profound sorrow and the feeling of the discordant gong that had affected the very energetic fabric of the universe, felt by God and all higher life forms: the loss of so much life and the damage to these planets.

I've read the whole bible and as a preteen/teenager was drawn to the positive feeling of Spirit in a few passages but not to the other passages, and have had discussions with priests about it. Not too interested in primitive teachings of war, prejudice against women and children and homosexual's and the caste system and slavery mentioned there. This is hardly and advanced Being demonstrated in these scriptures.

So this discussion doesn't really relate. For many lives, over countless eons, and through many foldings of the universe/mutliverse itself, we explore grow and evolve to the highest levels, and oversee the lower ones, terraforming. We also are capable of making mistakes and growing cold or disinterested and less helpful on all levels. Sometimes we chose to reignite our flames and compassion by starting from the lower levels on other planets. Not all of us are on the higher levels, we are plucked from the fabric of energy at different periods or stages, some old souls and some newer.

In the more primitive planets, what we call the 3d worlds (I don't really know about this dimensional stuff, but I do believe in timelines) our basic lessons are related to the lower chakras, such as sexuality, desire, love, survival, production, greed versus sharing and distributing equally, and empowerment of others versus power mongling and abuse of others. As we become enlightened and awake, and cooperative and concerned with others, we move into the higher chakras, the heart is critical, and the throat, which is speaking up, speaking our social justice concerns, and promoting a better system, speaking up for each other, and for the most vulnerable who have no voice to speak. Living and shining our lights.

Then its off to higher level planets where we live for thousands of years and the children go to school for 150-180 years and learn everything. There is much to do, to serve and to help. They both patrol the universe and are teachers, workers. They still can be on the side of those who love power, and those who simply love. Not so on the higher levels, but these ones make you more out of touch and colder, less compassionate for some, not for all. In other words, what I'm saying is our Creator is growing us up to be like He/She is, full of love and compassion, empowering others and wisdom, and that our Creator deligates the work being down to all of us on various levels, and that on every level including the higher ones, we can make mistakes so its a learning curve all the way up.

This is how I see it, and believe it to be.

So the Scripture stuff seems to be about love of power to me.

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john is having a vision of the future. may be an out of body vision. but whatever it is, he's having a vision of something that will come to pass sometime in the future. there's a war. it's a space war. during the course of the events, a mountain on fire (a glowing mountain?) is cast into the sea and it turns a third of the water blood red. the word mountain in that passage is from the greek airō, which means 1) to raise up, elevate, lift up

wormwood derives from the word absinthe, which is an etymological relative to the abyss, the absu or abzu. wormwood is probably the name of enki's mothership. the e.abzu.

here's a passage from the sumerian text ENKI AND THE WORLD ORDER

Grandiloquent lord of heaven and earth, self-reliant, father Enki, engendered by a bull, begotten by a wild bull, cherished by Enlil the Great Mountain, beloved by holy An, king, mes tree planted in the Abzu, rising over all lands; great dragon who stands in Eridug,

notice it refers to enki as "great dragon" and notice also, how enlil is called great mountain. these old texts (both biblical and sumerian) are talking about the same things.





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I asked a friend about Montaulk and the Superman project because he shared some very interesting leaks of memories, and he mentioned the living game which was reptilian or annanuki type technology which does pretty much what Enki's soul wiping machine that is talked about on the ask reconpilot thread, and forces people to be reused in a slave system. I was told the Manchurian Candidate was about the same thing, the search for the dna to reactivate this failing technology.
This is about freedom of souls, freedom of people, freedom of evolution and growth.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Laughing in ignorance for what you don't know,

I'm a Third Order Catholic. My best friend is in Opus Dei.
I understand it perfectly.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
catholic priest can say a lot of things without having to go to Bishops

Catholic priests are NOT allowed to proclaim someone possessed.

Stop your ignorant game.

I'm well versed in Catholicism.
Exposing deception is not a game.

.I never claimed I was sent there for rehabilitation,

Actually, you pretty much did. Here's your quote from the opening post -

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
she took me to Catholic priests who would claim I was possessed by the devil, so I was put on Catholic organizations such as the Opus Dei,

If you were supposedly declared 'possessed' by the priests (something they can't do) then why would you then be put into a Catholic Kids Camp? If you were supposedly possessed in their eyes, then there would have been an exorcism ... they wouldn't have shipped you off to a kids camp. What good would that do? They can't exorcise anyone. It's just a camp.

Declared possessed SO I WAS shipped off to .... .

You indicate the reason for being sent to camp was that these priests thought you were possessed - even though you showed no evidence of possession. That makes no sense.

First you claimed this is BS, or hallucination,

Yep.

and then you try to claim my experiences were all indicative of demonic possesion...

Nope. I did NOT try to claim they were 'all indicative' of demonic possession. That's for an authorized excorsist to decide. And if you'll notice I said that dementia isn't a demonic possession trait. It's a disease.

you are showing to be nothing more than a selfish, ignorant person.

No. I'm showing that your story has holes and contradictions.

You claim priests said you were possessed. (they aren't allowed)
Then you claim there were no signs of possession.
That's contradiction.
AND the average catholic priest is not authorized to deem someone 'possessed'.

BTW, you have not presented any facts whatsoever.

BTW, I've shown more solid facts then you have.
If you can't handle the facts ... ignore them. I don't care.

hey buddy i guess you've read the terra papers a little too much and had a nightmare lol because the earth does get blown up in that lil story and it does solve a lot of problems but more come and then # #s up and yeah basicly get shipped back to earth after they piece it all together and supposedly now we're all ran by reptiles... lmao you guys and your payote.