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Originally posted by rapunzel222
something that is good doesnt need secrecy.
Originally posted by KSigMason
Originally posted by mick1423
But if you're into a masonic Temple, as a follower of a Luciferian Cult,
you're definitely not, one of the Good guys..!
Masons, beleive they're spreading the Light BUT they are actualy, very
mutch afraid of the Light..!
Actually Masons must be of some religion before joining and are taught to worship their own God in their own way...
Originally posted by KSigMasonthere is no god of Freemasonry. Many of the men under George Washington were Freemasons and many Freemasons are well-known 'good guys'.
Originally posted by KSigMason
-It took several committees that had no Masonic members in it to make the seal
Originally posted by KSigMason
-The video states there are thirty three stones (I’m guessing he meant steps), but either way that number is way off.
Originally posted by KSigMason
-The all-seeing eye is emblematical of God
Originally posted by KSigMason-Novus Ordo Seclorum doesn’t mean “New World Order”, but “New Order of the Ages”. Someone needs another Latin lesson.
Originally posted by KSigMason
-None of the Bush’s have ever been Freemasons
Originally posted by KSigMason
-Just because Bill Clinton was on a magazine cover doesn’t mean he was a Freemason. He was in the DeMolay, but never became a Freemason.
Originally posted by KSigMason
-There is no definitive connection (one that anyone can prove) between Priory of Sion, Knights Templar, and the Freemasons; or to Rosslyn Chapel.
Originally posted by KSigMason
Part 2
-As I said above, there is no known connection between Templars and Freemasonry
Originally posted by KSigMason
-Hell, there is still no evidence that the Priory of Sion were connected to the Templars.
Originally posted by KSigMason-Wait, wait…because one group used nets to capture the enemy anyone that uses a net is the same as the group? So no one else in the world has ever used a net? Net use is exclusive to communists only? That my friend is what we call a non-sequitur argument.
Originally posted by KSigMason-I love how he calls pro-Mason videos “propaganda”. How hypocritical.
Originally posted by KSigMason-Conspiracy theorists think they know why members join, but really have no idea. Most conspiracies are created out of ignorance, fear, or revenge.
Originally posted by KSigMason-We are taught to be charitable
Originally posted by KSigMason-Also note, if anything, by the structure of Freemasonry, Freemasons would prefer a more confederate system than a unitary NWO.
Originally posted by KSigMasonPart 3
-As for the referencing a Hitler image, the Grand Lodge of Idaho denounced Hitler, his ideals, and the atrocities of the Nazi Party.
Originally posted by KSigMason
-And the whole aura and magic talk by the narrator is setting off my crazy meter.
Originally posted by KSigMason-As for the skull part, it only pertains to the York Rite of Freemasonry
Originally posted by KSigMason-Boaz and Jachin don’t pertain to Egyptian gods; maybe someone should read the bible
Originally posted by KSigMason
-As for the Jahbulon picture, nice photoshop and lying.
Originally posted by KSigMason
Part 4
-How dramatic that the ‘creator’ of these videos is ‘murdered’. Pretty sad. He has revealed nothing but only made a mockery of documentaries.
Originally posted by KSigMason
-The George Washington Masonic Memorial is a spectacular building. Each body of the Freemasons had a hand in its design.
Originally posted by KSigMason
-The Bohemian Club or Skull&Bones have no connection to the Freemasons.
Originally posted by KSigMason-The Jewish Order has no authority over Freemasonry
Originally posted by KSigMasonFor future references too, some music, sound clips, and assumptions don’t make something true. There were hardly any facts given in that video, it was mostly just cooky mumbo jumbo.
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
You only need to believe in a Supreme Being. You don't need to practice a religion.
The "god" of Freemasonry is the erect penis.
You'd be surprised at how many Masons deny that George Washington was one.
Not the Christian God though
Really? George W. Bush loves doing Masonic things
So how did Freemasonry start?
And yet there is a degree called the Order of Knights Templar
I don't believe the Priory of Sion thing either, but the Knights Templar did exist, and you don't deny that they fled from France to Scotland.
Where is your proof, that you are taught to be "charitable" ??
You mean each appendent body?
No connection? You're clearly exaggerating
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
The "god" of Freemasonry is the erect penis.
Ummm......not true. Put down the Aleister Crowley book, and slowly back away.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
You'd be surprised at how many Masons deny that George Washington was one.
What Freemason has made that denial?
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Not the Christian God though
God is God. The All Seeing Eye symbolizes his omnipresence.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Really? George W. Bush loves doing Masonic things
Like what? "Masonic things" are going to Lodge meetings, which, as a non-Mason, he doesn't do.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
So how did Freemasonry start?
Almost all historians, both Masonic and secular, agree that Freemasonry began with the stonemason guilds in medieval England.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
And yet there is a degree called the Order of Knights Templar
The theory that the Masons came from the Templars was popular in the 19th century. At one time all the big time Masonic authors bought the story, including Pike, Mackey, and Waite.
Since that time, other evidence has been noted that disputes that theory, and we now know that Freemasonry existed before the Templars did (meaning of course that the Templars could not have created it).
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
I don't believe the Priory of Sion thing either, but the Knights Templar did exist, and you don't deny that they fled from France to Scotland.
It is true that some left for Scotland, and is possible that some joined Masonic Lodges. However, in Portugal, the Templars there simply changed their name to Knights of Christ, which still exists and has demonstrable historical ties to the original Templars, whereas Freemasonry does not.
Other organizations also have provable historical ties to the Templars in other countries. Outside of France, most Templars had been acquitted and they simply carried on under other orders chivalry.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Where is your proof, that you are taught to be "charitable" ??
It is the very first lesson a Mason learns upon his initiation.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
No connection? You're clearly exaggerating
He wasn't. Freemasonry is not connected with other organizations, fraternal or otherwise.
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
That's what the obelisk and the Kadosh represent.
I can't remember who, but they said that pictures of George Washington in a Masonic apron may have been doctored.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
There you go: proof that Freemasonry doesn't care about the Christian God. The Bible even says not to depict him using graven images.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Like holding a torch that is 33 inches long.
And they got their craft from the Greeks, did they not?
How could Freemasonry have superceded the Templars if it were created in the Middle Ages?
Obviously the Knights Templar weren't stone artisans, but they did infiltrate Freemasonry, just as the Bavarian Illuminati did.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Please tell us about this lesson.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
"Skull & Bones" came out of German Freemasonry.
The Bohemian Club and Freemasonry both share an affinity for the owl god Moloch. You can't say that there is absolutely no connection.
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Not the Christian God though
God is God. The All Seeing Eye symbolizes his omnipresence.
There you go: proof that Freemasonry doesn't care about the Christian God.
Originally posted by Saurus
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Not the Christian God though
God is God. The All Seeing Eye symbolizes his omnipresence.
There you go: proof that Freemasonry doesn't care about the Christian God.
I must agree with Masonic Light here. Even the Bible tells us...
Hear, O Israel: The Lord thy God is one.
Mark 12:29
[edit on 8/5/2009 by Saurus]
Originally posted by MR.FELIZ
I find it funny how people use the bible for everthing...
any how i must agree that the masons do not care for this god...
there are very little secret societies which do...if you look at it its almost like they are religions except for the whole believing in god...
paganism was one of the first quote on quote religions to exist..they did not believe in a god rather they believed in the universe and nature...centuries later came catholics which added the whole creator god image...
now look at freemasons....are they not doing exactly the same thing but in a different way....they are beginning fresh from paganism and then adding their own set of laws and commandements to the story...in my opinion
Originally posted by MR.FELIZ
One thing i do believe is that when you are with your mason brothers you are all the same religion no matter your background..
Originally posted by openmindresearch
are you saying, freemasonry is, ''behind lodges' doors...'', indeed a hidden religion?
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
That's what the obelisk and the Kadosh represent.
In occult symbology, the obelisk does indeed refer to the organ of generation in the microcosm, and the sun in the macrocosm.
However, obviously, neither of those should be confused with God.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
There you go: proof that Freemasonry doesn't care about the Christian God. The Bible even says not to depict him using graven images.
Christians have always depicted God through art and symbolism.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Like holding a torch that is 33 inches long.
Nothing "Masonic" about that. Masons don't go around holding torches.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
And they got their craft from the Greeks, did they not?
The Greeks certainly contributed.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
How could Freemasonry have superceded the Templars if it were created in the Middle Ages?
The Regius Mss., Freemasonry's oldest known document, describes a Masonic gathering in the city of York in 980 A.D. The Templars weren't formed until 1118 A.D.
Also, Freemasonry is of English and Scottish origin, whereas Templary began in France.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Obviously the Knights Templar weren't stone artisans, but they did infiltrate Freemasonry, just as the Bavarian Illuminati did.
I don't think that either group "infiltrated" Freemasonry. Many Illuminati members were Masons, but most were Masons before they even joined the Illuminati (Goethe, Von Knigge, Mozart, St. Germaine, etc.).
Although we know of quite a few Illuminists who were Masons, we don't know of a single Templar who became one.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
"May we daily increase in faith, hope, and charity, but more especially in that charity, which is the bond of peace, and the perfection of every virtue...."
I think that sums it up nicely.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
"Skull & Bones" came out of German Freemasonry.
Skull and Bones has nothing to do with either Germany or Freemasonry. It is a college frat that was "formed in 1832 as a result of a dispute among Yale's debating societies, Linonia, Brothers in Unity, and Calliope over the Phi Beta Kappa awards; its original name was "the Order of Scull and Bones."
Link
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
The Bohemian Club and Freemasonry both share an affinity for the owl god Moloch. You can't say that there is absolutely no connection.
Not only can I say that there is no connection, but I'll also say that Moloch was not an "owl god" (Moloch was actually represented by a golden bull or calf), and there is no owls nor Molochs in Freemasonry, much less an "affinity" for them.