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Originally posted by JoshNorton
Not at all. Profane literally means "outside the temple". Someone profane is someone who is ignorant to the goings on within the temple. Ignorant isn't a condescending description either. It simply expresses a lack of knowledge on a particular subject. Nobody knows everything about everything.
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
"Profanes"? That's a very condescending description.
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
You'd find that there is proof, if you'd just search it out.
Typical denial statements. You, on the other hand, provide no proof on your own part.
How is what I am saying going against "common sense?"
A chuckle, or nervous laughter?
Oh, you are one of those. You have a bunch of proof, but you feel I m not worthy of you just giving it to me, I have to search for it. Well listen here junior, I searched for it, read about it, asked questions to real people about it, and ultimately joined the fraternity. I am now an officer in the lodge and while I have a bunch to learn, I am quite sure that I know a boat load more than what your you tube school has taught you. I am sure you will go on and on about the child molesting, blood drinking, and other evil things that you are sure masons are doing. And every time you get schooled by someone who knows the truth because they were actually there and did't 'see it on you tube', you will repeat this same song. It's the same one the ones before you sang, and it's the same one the ones after you will sing. Hum a few bars with me here...."I know I am right cuz I saw it on you tube!..now for the chorus.....I have proof but I am not going to show you cuz you have to search for it yourself"
By the way, have a nice day.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by greshnik
I lived in a communist state. Most communists I knew were extremely good people. Family, hard work, honesty were their values. They thought that their leaders shared the same values. They were wrong.
Same is with masons.
The difference is, that in communist states, the party had an actual hierarchy that wielded power. Masonry, however, is democratic. It's leaders are democratically elected, and any member can run for office, and become a leader if elected.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Yet, a generally true one nevertheless. Go figure.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
That's part of the initiation rite for a Royal Arch Mason.
No, actually it's not, nor is it a part of any degree of Masonry. You'll have to do better than that.
Originally posted by Brothers in Arms
Your negative behavior, will not bring anything good. All organisations
have their dirty laundry but thats not a reason for bashing. Many of the
best organisation, are not perfect so what, some even made crusades
and inquisition and have been and still are the Light to lead humanity
to a better world
It's NOT good to know everything, i decided long ago to see only the positive
side of life and you should all do the same and thrust Freemasonry. We care
to help humanity, by charity, We volunteer to Guide the world to a peacful
and better World, you should all appreciate it..
Fraternally yours,
Originally posted by RuneSpider
What a terrible accusation to make about religion!
My friends and family fill my life, the works I do are for what I feel is right.
Religion is what I do at the end of every day, it's given me some of my morals, and sometimes is my guide in dark times.
Anyone who lives only by religion is generally missing the point.
Originally posted by Nimrod
I want you to know that video is total crap.
The first part is an EA ritual.
If you see something like a weeding ceremony,
It is ritual I know of, and popular in France.
This is crap made in Turkey in order good muslims not enter masonry.
I must point out that following these kind of propaganda. Masonic temple were bombed in Turkey.
There is nothing laugh about.
Originally posted by dredz
I'm not sure how drinking the blood of Jesus from a skull makes a good man better.
Who the hell does that?
That's part of the initiation rite for a Royal Arch Mason.
Ermm I happen to be a Royal Arch Mason, and a member of the Red Cross of Constantine, which is a concordant body in the York Rite, and I have never once drank blood from a skull. You sir, are posting lies about the order in which I am a member, please provide proof of your accusations before posting such tripe.
Thank You
"This pure wine I now take in testimony of my belief in the mortality of the body and the immortality of the soul and may this libation appear as a witness against me both here and hereafter - and as the sins of the world were laid upon the head of the Savior, so may all the sins committed by the person whose skull this was be heaped upon my head, in addition to my own, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate or transgress any obligation that I have heretofore taken, take at this time, or shall at any future period take in relation to any degree of Masonry or order of Knighthood. So help me God."
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Pot, meet kettle. How are Pharisees any different than Christians who also believe there's only one way to heaven?
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
One thing I've learned, is that, because of the secrets of Freemasonry, it is even MORE of an exclusive propositon, than is fundamentalist Christianity, reserved solely and exclusively for the initiates, all the rest, excluded in the final analysis, the "celestial lodge above" reserved for Masons alone. It is, by its very nature, intollerant with respect to the inclusion of non-masons in God's heavenly family and in his heavenly household or eternal domain. This is not dissimilar to the attitude of the Pharisees with whome Jesus was so pissed off..
And no, you're completely wrong about the Masonic thoughts of afterlife. Nothing in Masonry is tell you how to get to the afterlife... that's for your own religion to dictate.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Please link to 5 such photos.
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
People are routinely photographed wearing the square-and-compass emblem
We don't. Again, find 5 instances of confirmed Masons doing such. Current events, please... don't go digging to dead presidents.
If Masonic emblems, and grips and signs are for Masons only, then why display them in public view?
wearing a blue tie with matching socks
Nothing to do with Freemasons. Seems like common fashion sense more than anything else...
or displaying grips and signs.
Any grip or sign you see photographed is most likely either NOT an actual grip or sign used by Freemasons, or if it is, chances are the people making it are not Freemasons and don't know what they're doing. Actual Freemasons are discrete about such things.
I guess, then, that gang colors are just a fashion statement. Maybe wearing black to a funeral is just a fashion statement.
To the best of my knowledge that is a correct statement. Neither Bill Maher nor Ron Paul are Freemasons. Maher is a confirmed agnostic, and thus wouldn't be able to join a lodge. I believe Ron Paul's father was a Mason, but he never joined, himself.
I guess, then, that Bill Maher and Ron Paul are not real Freemasons.
Originally posted by M74
I've seen those videos before. It's just more anti-Masonic propaganda supported by fundamentalist Christians, twisting words and out-of-context materials.
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Originally posted by M74
I've seen those videos before. It's just more anti-Masonic propaganda supported by fundamentalist Christians, twisting words and out-of-context materials.
If anybody is twisting words, it's the Masons themselves, providing false interpretations for the symbols.
Whenever I read those false interpretations, I always manage to let out a hearty laugh.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Different Masons have different views on those subjects. As touching religion, each individual has his own. As for me personally, I find much in the Bible that is inspiring. However, I do not view that particular collection of books as inerrant, or any sort of absolute Word of God, and much of it is mythological in nature.
As for Jesus, I believe he was a real person that taught some really good stuff. Later, he was deified by his followers, and I consider the story of his death and resurrection to be a sun myth, a Hebrew version of the Egyptian myth of Osiris or Persian Mithras.
Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. In fact, what can there be in common between the vile multitude and sublime wisdom? The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason.
- Illustrious Albert Pike 33°
Sovereign Grand Commander
This, unlike the first, is a legitimate quote, but is somewhat misleading because those are not Pike's personal words. Instead, Pike was quoting Synesius, Bishop of Ptolemaïs.
You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons...and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.
Ronayne
Handbook of Masonry, page 183
Ronayne was an anti-Mason, the book is an anti-Masonic work, and his words are not legitimate.
Also, it should be fairly noted that when Hall wrote the book, he himself was not even yet a Mason.
So are we to believe that you have thus examined your own belief system, and found it infallible?
Originally posted by JoshNorton
I should have been more specific. Of course Masons may wear rings and have emblems on their car and whatnot. The bit I was trying to get at is that 99% of the public figures that are accused of being Masons ARE NOT and thus DO NOT wear such rings, do not have such emblems on their cars, etc.
I guess, then, that gang colors are just a fashion statement. Maybe wearing black to a funeral is just a fashion statement.
Sure. Why not?
To the best of my knowledge that is a correct statement. Neither Bill Maher nor Ron Paul are Freemasons. Maher is a confirmed agnostic, and thus wouldn't be able to join a lodge. I believe Ron Paul's father was a Mason, but he never joined, himself.
I guess, then, that Bill Maher and Ron Paul are not real Freemasons.
Originally posted by M74
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
If anybody is twisting words, it's the Masons themselves, providing false interpretations for the symbols.
Whenever I read those false interpretations, I always manage to let out a hearty laugh.
Considering there is no one single, definitive, dogmatic interpretation for Freemasonry as a whole, it is a categorical impossibility to "provide false interpretations" thereof. The esoteric interpretations of our symbols are solely those applied by the individual himself and do not necessarily apply to, nor necessarily applied by any other individual.