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YouTube vid: "Masonic Rituals recorded and exposed by a Brother in Turkey"

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posted on Mar, 20 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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You’re saying this because you are in Darkness.
why not try first , why not knock on a Masonic Temple door and
live the Masonic journey and let your new Brothers
Guide you throw the first 3 degrees to become a Master Mason.

You will become a different person, a Better Man.
Masonic teaching will make you see Freemasonry
in a complete different way and then you will be able
to make a judgment on Freemasonry.



Fraternally yours,




posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
"Profanes"? That's a very condescending description.
Not at all. Profane literally means "outside the temple". Someone profane is someone who is ignorant to the goings on within the temple. Ignorant isn't a condescending description either. It simply expresses a lack of knowledge on a particular subject. Nobody knows everything about everything.



We're not stupid. I think we all know what the word "profane" means.

It would be condescending of you to suggest some sort of misunderstanding.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
You'd find that there is proof, if you'd just search it out.

Typical denial statements. You, on the other hand, provide no proof on your own part.

How is what I am saying going against "common sense?"

A chuckle, or nervous laughter?


Oh, you are one of those. You have a bunch of proof, but you feel I m not worthy of you just giving it to me, I have to search for it. Well listen here junior, I searched for it, read about it, asked questions to real people about it, and ultimately joined the fraternity. I am now an officer in the lodge and while I have a bunch to learn, I am quite sure that I know a boat load more than what your you tube school has taught you. I am sure you will go on and on about the child molesting, blood drinking, and other evil things that you are sure masons are doing. And every time you get schooled by someone who knows the truth because they were actually there and did't 'see it on you tube', you will repeat this same song. It's the same one the ones before you sang, and it's the same one the ones after you will sing. Hum a few bars with me here...."I know I am right cuz I saw it on you tube!..now for the chorus.....I have proof but I am not going to show you cuz you have to search for it yourself"

By the way, have a nice day.



It's not that my proof is exclusive. Actually, it's out in the open, like Masons themselves admit.

Of course you know more than I do, but I wouldn't give the world to sit through the boring drills and memorization to get to where you are.

You are lumping me with "conspiracy psychos" which turns the argument into cops and robbers. Yes, there are Masons who drink blood and molest children. However, I understand that "lower-level" Masons don't engage in that activity.

I'm schooled how? With denial statements?

If the Masons thought that YouTube were such an unreliable source, then why would there be pro-Masonic vids on YouTube?



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by greshnik
I lived in a communist state. Most communists I knew were extremely good people. Family, hard work, honesty were their values. They thought that their leaders shared the same values. They were wrong.

Same is with masons.


The difference is, that in communist states, the party had an actual hierarchy that wielded power. Masonry, however, is democratic. It's leaders are democratically elected, and any member can run for office, and become a leader if elected.



In a socialist system, The State has all of the power and wealth. The Party merely works on behalf of The State and The Regime.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Yet, a generally true one nevertheless. Go figure.



So the purpose of Masonry is to usurp the social importance of religion? That would allow people to publically proclaim their allegiance to Christianity, while practicing a system that directly contradicts it.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

That's part of the initiation rite for a Royal Arch Mason.


No, actually it's not, nor is it a part of any degree of Masonry. You'll have to do better than that.



Then list the initiation rituals for every degree in the York Rite.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Brothers in Arms
Your negative behavior, will not bring anything good. All organisations
have their dirty laundry but thats not a reason for bashing. Many of the
best organisation, are not perfect so what, some even made crusades
and inquisition and have been and still are the Light to lead humanity
to a better world

It's NOT good to know everything, i decided long ago to see only the positive
side of life and you should all do the same and thrust Freemasonry. We care
to help humanity, by charity, We volunteer to Guide the world to a peacful
and better World, you should all appreciate it..



Fraternally yours,




Not bashing Freemasonry, just keeping everyone honest.

It's funny, how when they mention "charity" they don't mention how much of their fund-raising actually goes to "charity."



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by RuneSpider



What a terrible accusation to make about religion!



My friends and family fill my life, the works I do are for what I feel is right.
Religion is what I do at the end of every day, it's given me some of my morals, and sometimes is my guide in dark times.

Anyone who lives only by religion is generally missing the point.




The Bible says that you will not be saved by works, but through faith. Actually a good Christian will be saved for works.

I guess you are not a Christian Mason?



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by Nimrod
I want you to know that video is total crap.

The first part is an EA ritual.

If you see something like a weeding ceremony,
It is ritual I know of, and popular in France.

This is crap made in Turkey in order good muslims not enter masonry.

I must point out that following these kind of propaganda. Masonic temple were bombed in Turkey.

There is nothing laugh about.



The video is crap? How?

If people misuse the message, does that make the message false?



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by dredz



I'm not sure how drinking the blood of Jesus from a skull makes a good man better.


Who the hell does that?

That's part of the initiation rite for a Royal Arch Mason.


Ermm I happen to be a Royal Arch Mason, and a member of the Red Cross of Constantine, which is a concordant body in the York Rite, and I have never once drank blood from a skull. You sir, are posting lies about the order in which I am a member, please provide proof of your accusations before posting such tripe.

Thank You



A bunch of fancy titles, and a denial statement!

Classic!

Former members say otherwise.

"This pure wine I now take in testimony of my belief in the mortality of the body and the immortality of the soul and may this libation appear as a witness against me both here and hereafter - and as the sins of the world were laid upon the head of the Savior, so may all the sins committed by the person whose skull this was be heaped upon my head, in addition to my own, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate or transgress any obligation that I have heretofore taken, take at this time, or shall at any future period take in relation to any degree of Masonry or order of Knighthood. So help me God."



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
One thing I've learned, is that, because of the secrets of Freemasonry, it is even MORE of an exclusive propositon, than is fundamentalist Christianity, reserved solely and exclusively for the initiates, all the rest, excluded in the final analysis, the "celestial lodge above" reserved for Masons alone. It is, by its very nature, intollerant with respect to the inclusion of non-masons in God's heavenly family and in his heavenly household or eternal domain. This is not dissimilar to the attitude of the Pharisees with whome Jesus was so pissed off..
Pot, meet kettle. How are Pharisees any different than Christians who also believe there's only one way to heaven?

And no, you're completely wrong about the Masonic thoughts of afterlife. Nothing in Masonry is tell you how to get to the afterlife... that's for your own religion to dictate.



Then what is the Celestial Lodge for?

And why hold Masonic funerals?



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
People are routinely photographed wearing the square-and-compass emblem
Please link to 5 such photos.



If Masonic emblems, and grips and signs are for Masons only, then why display them in public view?
We don't. Again, find 5 instances of confirmed Masons doing such. Current events, please... don't go digging to dead presidents.


For starters, here is a relevant thread on ATS:
www.abovetopsecret.com ...

General merchandise dealers who coincidentally also sell Mason merchandise:
www.potpourrigift.co m ...
www.vistabella.com ...
www.jewelrygalleria.com ...
www.pronto.com ...
shop.gemellijewelers.com ...
www.jewelbasket.com ...
www.gemologica.com ...
www.jcpenney.com ...
www.shopwiki.com ...

Mason ring listed in the home page:
store.jemsbyjem.com/
www.discountjewelrydealers.com/rings.php
www.thecastlejewelry.com/
www.topasio.com/

Pages with descriptions:
www.ringsurf.com ...
www.policestateplanning.com ...
hubpages.com ...
freemasonry.bcy.ca ...
www.prisonplanet.com ...

A couple of guys looking for a pat on the head:
alumni.unc.edu ...
www.myspace.com ...
henricounion.com ...
www.kerbelashriners.com ...

Square-and-Compass patchwork pattern:
www.101patchworkpatterns.com ...

For those who claim that there is no Masonic Bible:
www.flickr.com ...

For good measure, here are the results of a tag search for "square and compass" on flickr:
www.flickr.com/photos/tags/squareandcompass/




wearing a blue tie with matching socks

Nothing to do with Freemasons. Seems like common fashion sense more than anything else...

I guess, then, that gang colors are just a fashion statement. Maybe wearing black to a funeral is just a fashion statement.




or displaying grips and signs.

Any grip or sign you see photographed is most likely either NOT an actual grip or sign used by Freemasons, or if it is, chances are the people making it are not Freemasons and don't know what they're doing. Actual Freemasons are discrete about such things.

I guess, then, that Bill Maher and Ron Paul are not real Freemasons.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 04:37 PM
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I should have been more specific. Of course Masons may wear rings and have emblems on their car and whatnot. The bit I was trying to get at is that 99% of the public figures that are accused of being Masons ARE NOT and thus DO NOT wear such rings, do not have such emblems on their cars, etc.



I guess, then, that gang colors are just a fashion statement. Maybe wearing black to a funeral is just a fashion statement.

Sure. Why not?



I guess, then, that Bill Maher and Ron Paul are not real Freemasons.
To the best of my knowledge that is a correct statement. Neither Bill Maher nor Ron Paul are Freemasons. Maher is a confirmed agnostic, and thus wouldn't be able to join a lodge. I believe Ron Paul's father was a Mason, but he never joined, himself.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by M74
I've seen those videos before. It's just more anti-Masonic propaganda supported by fundamentalist Christians, twisting words and out-of-context materials.



If anybody is twisting words, it's the Masons themselves, providing false interpretations for the symbols.

Whenever I read those false interpretations, I always manage to let out a hearty laugh.


M74

posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

Originally posted by M74
I've seen those videos before. It's just more anti-Masonic propaganda supported by fundamentalist Christians, twisting words and out-of-context materials.



If anybody is twisting words, it's the Masons themselves, providing false interpretations for the symbols.

Whenever I read those false interpretations, I always manage to let out a hearty laugh.


Considering there is no one single, definitive, dogmatic interpretation for Freemasonry as a whole, it is a categorical impossibility to "provide false interpretations" thereof. The esoteric interpretations of our symbols are solely those applied by the individual himself and do not necessarily apply to, nor necessarily applied by any other individual.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Different Masons have different views on those subjects. As touching religion, each individual has his own. As for me personally, I find much in the Bible that is inspiring. However, I do not view that particular collection of books as inerrant, or any sort of absolute Word of God, and much of it is mythological in nature.

As for Jesus, I believe he was a real person that taught some really good stuff. Later, he was deified by his followers, and I consider the story of his death and resurrection to be a sun myth, a Hebrew version of the Egyptian myth of Osiris or Persian Mithras.

So Masonry teaches Christians to abandon their faith?
The fairy tale of Hiram Abiff comes from Ancient Greece, which copied their practices from the Middle East and Ancient Egypt, and then changed the story so that the Greeks themselves had created them. The Freemasons never originated anything on their own -- they simply plagiarized the traditions of people of other cultures and races. The development of the Mother Lodge of England, the Enlightenment and the Renaissance all coincide with white Europeans' plundering of Asia and Africa. Before those whites came into power, they were dominated by the Moors. The Greeks didn't even have a written language until they came into contact with the Ancient Egyptians.




Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. In fact, what can there be in common between the vile multitude and sublime wisdom? The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason.

- Illustrious Albert Pike 33°
Sovereign Grand Commander


This, unlike the first, is a legitimate quote, but is somewhat misleading because those are not Pike's personal words. Instead, Pike was quoting Synesius, Bishop of Ptolemaïs.

Albert Pike would have no reason to quote a statement with which he was in disagreement, except to refute it.




You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons...and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations.

Ronayne
Handbook of Masonry, page 183


Ronayne was an anti-Mason, the book is an anti-Masonic work, and his words are not legitimate.

His book seems to make a few legitimate statements



Also, it should be fairly noted that when Hall wrote the book, he himself was not even yet a Mason.

So then he joined and became one of the most noted men in American Freemasonry. Maybe they were just using his writings to attract more bodies into Masonic lodges?



So are we to believe that you have thus examined your own belief system, and found it infallible?

That's besides the point. There must be a reason why Masons feel a need to justify their practices to the public. You would think that the Civil War would have been a good enough cover for them.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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I love a good Masonic thread.

I grew up in a family firmly entrenched in the Masons.

Dad and Grandfathers were Masons. Dad a Worshipful Master.

Mom and Dad involved in Eastern Star. Mom a Worthy Matron. Dad a Worthy Patron.

Sister in Rainbow Girls.

All three brothers raised in DeMolay and then up into the Masons. They are presently active in the Masons.

Dads funeral six years ago was Masonic and quite beautiful.

Ne'er a mention of blood letting, blood drinking or virgin sacrifices...ok...I added that myself.


I've been to many a different events ie: installations, and...um...upgrades or something that I dont recall the name of. I spent a lot of time in the Masonic halls helping with charity events, pot-lucks and things of that sort. I used to like to pretend I was a princess while walking around in the Main room in the Masonic hall. Rather ornate it was.

For all that, I never saw anything I would consider evil or even a little dark. My family, while growing up, participated in a lot of very wholesome activities revolving around the above groups. We learned to be civic minded and to have pride in our community.

We were little fish in the big pond of Masons? Maybe...but we were in the majority of Masons.

Take from this what you will, but I can't get into the whole demon worshipping aspect of this conspiracy.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
I should have been more specific. Of course Masons may wear rings and have emblems on their car and whatnot. The bit I was trying to get at is that 99% of the public figures that are accused of being Masons ARE NOT and thus DO NOT wear such rings, do not have such emblems on their cars, etc.

Right, because heavens forbid if they were to be questioned about their affiliation. You can't become a successful lawyer without being a Freemason, and most successful politicians are successful lawyers.




I guess, then, that gang colors are just a fashion statement. Maybe wearing black to a funeral is just a fashion statement.

Sure. Why not?

Because it's not just a fashion statement. It's symbolism.




I guess, then, that Bill Maher and Ron Paul are not real Freemasons.
To the best of my knowledge that is a correct statement. Neither Bill Maher nor Ron Paul are Freemasons. Maher is a confirmed agnostic, and thus wouldn't be able to join a lodge. I believe Ron Paul's father was a Mason, but he never joined, himself.

That's strange, because Ron Paul is a member of the Grand Lodge of Texas, his wife is in the Eastern Star and his daughters are Rainbow Girls.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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We can always hope these masons come back reincarnated as a goat in their next life I guess.

Anyone defending this has an agenda.

I love the exposure, it might just put off a future blood drinker in the future.

Good find OP.

wZn



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by M74

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
If anybody is twisting words, it's the Masons themselves, providing false interpretations for the symbols.

Whenever I read those false interpretations, I always manage to let out a hearty laugh.


Considering there is no one single, definitive, dogmatic interpretation for Freemasonry as a whole, it is a categorical impossibility to "provide false interpretations" thereof. The esoteric interpretations of our symbols are solely those applied by the individual himself and do not necessarily apply to, nor necessarily applied by any other individual.

Then why is the candidate given an interpretation during the initiation rites? Why do Masons need to explain the G and the square and compass? Can't they just say, "Oh it's just our secret, mind your damn business" ?



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