Soldiers pledge to refuse disarmament demands

Originally posted by Avenginggecko

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Bush violated at least 4 of their 'points', but Obama is the man to fear? Rhodes' agenda is obvious and dangerous.

Oath Keepers is non-partisan and Stewart Rhodes is an independent Ron Paul supporter who's appalled at the Bush administration's shredding of the Constitution and diminished civil liberties.

This is his only agenda:

Spokesman Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers told WND his organization's goal is to remind military members their oath of allegiance is to the U.S. Constitution, not a particular president.

It's completely clear from the article that his agenda is to undermine Obama. I pointed out that Bush violated 4 of these supposed points; however, Rhodes didn't feel the need to begin the Oath Keepers until Obama became president. Even though their MO doesn't state opposition against Obama, it is quite implicit that he is the reason why Rhodes does it.

You couldn't be more wrong. As Rhodes explains on Alex Jones, he was looking for something that would continue the Ron Paul revolution. The only reason Oath Keepers was started during the Obama administration is because Rhodes was actively working for the Ron Paul campaign.

Anyway, as most people know, administrations don't really matter. Republicans and Democrats are just two sides of the same coin. The NWO shadow government didn't suddenly disappear just because Bush left office.

All I have to say is the time we're living in seems like we're completing another major chapter in a already scripted book.

To the founding of America, to the civil war, to the world wars, to the assassinations of Abe Lincoln, Kennedy MLK. To 9/11 that shocked the entire world and the unforgettable video of Bush in a classroom just standing there. Now the crisis in America that might end up as a war against the citizens and the military being ran by corrupt government.

I don't know about you, but it just seems that we're apart of a huge entertaining yet epic story. Either way, the chapters have probably already been written, and time is reading it to us.

Does anyone agree?

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I've always believed that anyones destiny can be changed by outside influences as well as your own ideals. To believe that your destiny is already written takes any fun and any possibility of achievment away from the human race! Its just my 2 cents but I chose to keep at least a bit of hope (not Obamas kind) that we will come out of this an even stronger nation. I'm not looking forward to the posibility of blood shed but, it is in the cards if they are misdealt!
Zindo

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Im sorry but I cant help but see a bit of sillyness here. I'll grant you that if it came to it , there would be a massive majority of people against the armed forces, and of course , that would be terrible.
But that small (HAHAHAH) number of troops are as you are probably aware, capable of such wide ranging destruction , as to make enemy numbers pretty much irrelevant . When you consider that only the army are going to have access to massive ordenance, artillery fire, top rate armour and warmachines and the like, you balance the book right there.
But in any case, all this alarmism is baby talk anyway , but I thought I would just point out , that infact if they wanted to the armed forces could turn america into a blackened monument to blood and death with relatively small effort. All it takes is the right buttons pushed.

I would save its hard to find loyalty to a presidency that decides to make you pay your own way for all the expensive medications and treatment you might need for loosing your leg while you did a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan, Obama is systematically making enemies with the worst elements he can. Its not only the vets and soon to be vets, but also the police and teachers. Protection and Education can take dives but companies like AIG can stay afloat on our tax money while those who nurture and protect our children and our lives can rot? There is only so many ways to interpret the screwing of the American people by the new president and his ideas....

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When you mention the ability of our present armed forces you ignore the fact that there are ten times that many citizens who also have the training and the abilities because of past service, not to mention the service people who will never agree to take action against the citizenry because they agree that we are being used and abused by the very government that employes them. God forbid the idiots in DC actualy invite the Blue Hats here to enforce illegal statutes! More and more citizens here are comming to the same conclusion that what ever must be done it will have to be us that does it..not the PTB in DC!

Zindo

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I'm sorry but I cant help but see a bit of silliness here.

It wasn't all that silly the first two times around (Revolutionary War and Civil War) was it?

But that small (HAHAHAH) number of troops are as you are probably aware, capable of such wide ranging destruction , as to make enemy numbers pretty much irrelevant .

That was also the prevailing thought both times before also.

When you consider that only the army are going to have access to massive ordinance, artillery fire, top rate armor and war machines and the like, you balance the book right there.

In the first Civil War (American Revolution) we had inferior weaponry, tactics, training, and "war machines" (as you call them) yet we still snatched victory from the jaws of defeat with the help of the French Fleet. It was the Navy that were your "war machines" of the day. of which we had none.

In the American Civil War the South had fewer troops and at the onset had inferior weaponry with no real Navy. Yet they still managed to drag out a war (very successfully) from April 12 1861 until May 13, 1865.

But in any case, all this alarmism is baby talk anyway ,

Isn't it always the foreigners that revel in interjecting their opinions and comments from the peanut gallery when this seems to very much be an American affair? This becomes most especially bothersome when they know not what they speak of.

It is quite apparent that unless an American Revolt against a usurpatios government was backed by many State Governments it would obviously take the form of a Gorilla War. Where the advantageous set of circumstances that a gorilla force would have over a traditional army are vastly outweighed by weaponry and war machines. History has born this out as fact time and again.


We as Americans Used that tactic against the British in the American Revolution and It was nearly used by the Confederacy at the end of the Civil War until General Lee implored the troops to accept their defeat as gentlemen and help reunite the country. It's a simple notion really, if you have a hammer and a cernal of corn then you can smash that cernal of corn very easilly. However if you take that same hammer and throw it into a silo full of corn, you will never see that hammer again. You can loose a perfectly good army fighting a gorilla war in the American Countryside, The British learned this well.

The American Military also learned this leason in Vietnam. Or one would have thought. That is until they were foolish enoughto try and fight a prolonged war in Afganistan, or Iraq. Namely Afganistan, that country has destroyed every army that has come up against it the Greeks (Alexander The Great),The Seleucids, Persians, Indian (Indo-Greeks), Turks, Medians, Mongols, British, Russians, and now it will do it to ours (The US). Many of these people have actually concurred this land but the one thing that everyone forgets is that they all eventually leave one way or the other.

So you see, your idea that our military's technology and training can some how help them is wrong. It's tactics, fighting spirit, and numbers when it comes to gorilla war. A war of attrition.

I dont think a civil war would ever get full swing without global intervention. There are many who would love to get a piece of the good ol' US of A if she was down and out, I think also the amount of looting and rioting would be cataclysmic to both sides. Lastly, we have made soo very many enemies in our arrogant posturing that IF some smaller factions external to the U.S. wanted to take some cheap shots at us the ability to retain 100% efficiency in maintaining and securing our borders from determined forces would certainly be compromised. Any way you look at it, a civil war would really bring us to our knees and give the rest of the international community stilts to stare down at us with...

Originally posted by ZindoDoone

This looks to be the best way to gage how our troops and LEO's will react to illegal orders by a regime in DC thats hellbent to disarm American citizens to further their socialist, one party agenda! More and more soldiers and law enforcement are under pressure to submit to illegal actions under illegal laws passed by a government that badly needs to be reigned in!

Zindo

www.worldnetdaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

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OH Zindo your can be such a paranoid...

Bush didn't put me in a camp - Obama will not force you to believe in bike lanes or any other kind of socialistisms kay?

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Ok , obviously you missed the part where nowadays you dont need to see an enemy combatant to kill him , and the fifty , a hundred , men around him . Maybe you missed the advances in technology which mean that an entire city can be simply wiped off the face of the planet, its buildings turned to ash, and its people no more than soot stains in a wall . Maybe YOU missed that but I didnt. They could kill the overwhelming majority of any opposition without even risking a wound to thier own forces for gods sake... wake up ! Its the 21st century.

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I am sorry but this is one of the most stupid posts I have read, anywhere, any time. TrueBrit, you are a product of conditioned response, created without benefit of thought. You scare me.

Enjoy your Victory Gin as you love Big Brother.



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Being from California,I guess you'll be some of the first to see if I'm paranoid or not. Your regular dose of Daily Kos has you thinking everything is rosey and wonderfull. I guess because Bush signed all those bills that folks here complain about, taking our freedoms from us and spying on us where not first raised by Democrats and passed through both houses of the Democratic controlled congress means that its Bushes fault and its all smoke and mirrors. The intrusion of our lives everyday is not realy happening, its just all a mistaken idea that is not realy that bad. Yup, I'm paranoid because I can see it and you seem to think its not realy happening! Do us all a favor, keep your head in the sand, everything is just fine, Nothing to see here, its just an illusion!

Zindo

Originally posted by MajesticJax
Hi all-

I made a small donation to the guy's "project"- here's the email I got back from him: (personal info removed):

BEGIN

To the crew of Global Equity,

Thank you so much!

Your donation is going straight to our web development. The new site will be at Oathkeepers.org (but the Blogspot will always stay up). Originally it was planned to go up in a month or two but because of the support we've received it will most likely be up in two weeks.

We are also putting together a new video highlighting the 10 orders we will not obey. The first video will be used, in part, as an intro.

Also, we have a few more projects in the works, including care packages for troops with Oath keeper material inside.

Thanks again.

We are simply overwhelmed with emails, support, media inquiries and phone calls and we are absolutely amazed at how fast it's taking off.

This is the beginning of something huge and you're a part of it.

Thank you.

Stewart




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Looks like a lot of people have caught wind of this.

He emailed me back when I asked him about the "security" of the database he's keeping- and how it would be a handy tool for "nefarious" purposes. He gave me permission to post his response:


Just now saw this. We have been swamped with emails! That is a good thing, but it makes it hard to respond to everyone in a timely manner.

Thanks for the link! If the discussion is still ongoing, I will check it out and may comment.

You raise some valid concerns, though I think that most active duty military and police who don't want to be identified will simply post anonymously, or will not even post at all.

I think it would be difficult to have a blog, and a discussion forum (eventually) and all of that without the government being able to get hold of lists of visitors and participants. "They" could simply track all those who visit the site, and could easily monitor our email. So, as Alex Jones said the other day on his show, perhaps the answer is to make it so big, and so diffused, such as by means of meetup groups, etc. that they can't keep track of all of it.

And obviously they really can't keep track of all of the folks who just print up and hand out copies of our declaration or other things they find on Oath Keepers.

Make it so big, so widespread, that it is impossible to keep up.

But if you have any suggestions for how to increase security, while also having widespread participation, I am wide open to learning,. Techie stuff is most certainly a weakness with me and with others at the core of Oath Keepers.

Best,

Stewart Rhodes


He also said:

That's fine. And give my regards to GoldenFleece. For those who wonder where I was during Bush's Admin., send them to my personal blog at www.stewart-rhodes.blogspot.com where they can read the multiple articles I wrote criticizing the dangerous and unconstitutional actions of the Bush Admin.

Stewart

do any of you actually KNOW someone who is either law enforcement or military who would actually go through with this?

Our poorly informed friend "atruetwit" obviously knows nothing of the people or the geography of the U.S.A..
An earlier post had a go at passing the sad fiction that the civilian population had inferior small arms. A large number of Americans hunt, and hunting rifles are superior in every way to military small arms. Hunting rifles can target and kill large game at extreme range. The standard military rifle is underpowered and not terribly acurate over 200 yards. Military thinking is that a wounded soldier slows a unit down more than a dead one, so slow moving light rounds enter the body and wander around a bit, entering at say the shoulder and exiting much lower and possibly creating a dying soldier, he'll bleed out instead of being an instant fatality that would result from a well placed 30.06 which sometimes leaves exit wounds in excess of six inches, and will disconect extremities with gusto. Automatic fire is good only for suppression fire, and for running the shooter out of ammo (you can only carry so much), plus the barrels are just not that high grade of a product. All military small arms are pea shooters compared with what you'd find in a modest gun cabinet. Americans also have a civilian version of the 50 caliber Barret which has a confirmed tank kill at a bit over 3 MILES and will disassemble a human easily at four miles. You can run, but you'll only die tired. The trootwit assumes that the heaviest fighting will be in the cities, this is just silly, should open hostilities break out the cities will be no go zones, containment areas, city dwellers will be easily subjected to whatever the man kicking in the door says. City or house to house combat will not be an early feature of a civilian uprising. Guerilla warfare will inflict heavy casualties on any hostiles. The Kyber pass is home to the Mujahadine, who are some of the fightingest bastichez in the world, they kicked Ivan's arse, and anybody wanting to try them finds that it's hard to kill when the enemy knows the topography intimately, he even shoots down you'r UAVs just for target practice. Back to the U.S.A., we have widely varying terrain, and we have the element of surprise. You can kill a lot more of the enemy if you are shooting them in the back of the head from cover. Enemy soldiers also look quite festive on fire, and you'd be amazed at what runs out of some stills up in the woods. Gunsmiths can set up to produce just about anything up to and including surface to air missiles.
There are also Guard Unit armories which have heavy weapons like tanks, but why cook in a can? Tank warfare is history, it wouldn't help you much here, and unless everybody agrees to have a tank rumble tanks are just long range rifles without much ammo, and excellent targets of opportunity.
We suspect Ivan and Chang would offer assistance to patriot militias (russia offered military assistance to the South in the war of northern agression), the occupied C.S.A. could once again be free as we easily break the chains of the Union occupation, and since everybody hates politicians, probably every state would join the Southerons, leaving the District of Criminals to fend for itself. Can you say tidalwave of ready freedom fighters? War over in about 45 minutes depending on the traffic from Virginia, our military would not answer a popular uprising of civilians in massive numbers. Those are our kids, dads, and grampas, they might come out to fight, but they'd be with the people, not the crooks.
Think King George III.
Got it?
Any wilding in the cities would be mopped up by freedom fighters, removing elements we don't need to feed as we once again establish the ONLY true contract between the people and the government, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Then we clean up and get back to work.
American jobs for American People.
And I know you'll just hate this part.
You see, I am a Marine (ret).
Semper Fi!


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Don't ya' just love it when some of our European folks tell us how easy it will be for the citizenry to be overrun? It amazes me that they forget that without the citizen soldier, which now makes up about a third of our population, they would all be speaking German or Russian. Also, our fighting US soldier citizens have given them back the countries they assuredly would have lost had we not been dragged into their problems? We here in the US can take care of our selves, thank you very much! It may take us a while to get pissed enough to do something about it, but rest assured we will do something, and its going to be in the not too distant future!

Zindo

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Well said Zindo!
I wonder what loyalties "A True Brit" must have. He's clearly no Scotsman, nor is he Irish, an Aussie would say he was, and an Englishman would not consider himself "british". At least none of my relatives across the pond would. A "Brit" must be foreign to everywhere...parasitic aliens(do not file under UFO).
British are those peculiar persons declaring some poor old banana republic or the other to be a colony of Great Britain, and esconcing themselves in fine old country homes, and feeling ever so superior to whatever kingdom or government (if any) the "British" declared null and void and occupy the ill gotten territory through a tyrany of capital, one sided laws, and sometimes a few able fighting men. I will not disrespect the Brits as fighters, sometimes they seem so eager to die you'd think they were going to get 72 virgins (I'd trade em all for one really talented slut). I have found myself in the company of Brit fighters on the field of battle, and they must be said to be capable soldiers, though their leadership is often made up of inbred blue-blood maniacs who order them into certain extinction modes, a famous example, "The Charge of The Light Brigade". Darwin working overtime?
I suspect that should some country nuke D.C. while congress was in session they would be met by our civilian population as champions of freedom, given a BBQ sandwich and a COLD beer, and our undying gratitude. I'd certainly be happy to shake Mr. Putin's hand. You know it's funny, remember how in the Cold War Era we were told the russians were spied on by their very own children, or the folks next door? Now Russia seems more free than some "free" countries I could name. The poor law abiding English have had their firearms outlawed and confiscated, and are watched by CCTV everywhere they go. Lately I heard there was even a move afoot to outlaw "pointed knives". Grandmother's butcher knife would become contriband, and subject her to a full house search for any other prohibited weapons, such as a rubber band and a paper-clip.
Good to meet you Mr. Doone!
Gee I wish Benny Hill was still alive, all this conversation needs is Benny chasing some lightly clothed young women around to the strains of Yackety Sax to close it out on an intelectual note.
Oh, this should do..."Sona si latine loqueris" = Honk If You Speak Latin!

I will say this ,...Unless caught totally off guard they will have hell disarming me....they gotta find my gun stash first

Peeps you need to start stocking up on small to mid calibur guns and ammo, the future doesnt look to bright to me at all right now. 5-6 cheap 22's and a few 10-15k in ammo for each will last a few years...maybe
a 223 and a high power rifle of your choice mines a 300 ultramag very accurate to 1000 yds 13-15k yds if your a real good shot!!

reply to post by Luminaught


I dont hate that you are a marine. I hate that if your rebellion is in any way sucessful, a determined killer government would wipe out what it considers an enemy held territory with nuclear weapons, which would prevent you from actualy retaining any strongholds without fear of being flash fried. We arent talking about normal war. If YOUR country goes postal, it will bring out ALL the toys. I dont give a sugar lump for tanks in all honesty, I know that they can be taken out in some pretty impressive fashions. What I am saying is that there are weapons available now , as you well know, which can remove entire map locations from the face of the earth. I mean sure you can die for what you believe in, but in that situation you sure as hell cant win for it. Hell I would stand with you if I was that side of the pond, but the prognosis is crispy chicken fritters Im afraid , unless you are secretly immune to nuclear blasts and serious rad sickness.

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You're suggesting that an American killer government is not beyond nuking one of it's own cities if that city is a stronghold of defiance? If you are, and if you're right, then the orders would obviously have to come from someone much more powerful than the American government itself... someone who controls the American government with a fearfully strong grip.

Can you spell Rothschild?


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