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Originally posted by TrueBrit
Right , lets talk about bailouts shall we ? First of all , the banks of the entire world , including your nation would no longer exist if not for assitance from the taxpayer. Same with the motor industry , and everything else thats getting bailed out. If you fancy living without the goods and services provided by these companies and institutions, then you are a damned fool. I can assure you the rest of america would DIE of fear if they thought all thier labour saving devices such as motorcars, dishwashers, etc, would cease to be made in your nation, and Im sure they would also be appalled if thier savings ended up being liquidated in a total collapse of a bank.
Globalism ? Well lets face it , America has FORCED globalism on everyone else over the years by expanding its international businesses and selling its technology to every nation on the freaking planet, so theres no one to blame for that but the business empires of america, which in a democracy , the president can do little about anyway .
TORTURE??? Are you having a laugh ? Hes closing the concentration camp at Guantanamo bay, and hes doing more about the problems that are rife within the intelligence community than say , Bush or any of the other " I dont need to know , so I dont want to " presidents your nation has had to put up with.
And regards Afganistan, thats where the Al Queda that everyone is always yelling about , resides. The fact that Obama had to pull his troops out of Iraq to properly address the actual problem(terrorism) which your nation CLAIMS started the war on terror.
You arent unhappy with your president, you are unhappy with your nation, and what its demands on resources mean for both its foriegn and domestic policy . All the man is doing , is what needs doing , and dont forget, he made election promises based on the economic and social situations of the time , all of which are so different to what they were , as to be unrecognisable.
You need to get more politicaly savvy if you think that when things change drasticaly , a decent president wont have to make at least SOME compromises in order to affect survival .
Originally posted by Retseh
We are continually edging closer to open defiance of government.
I honestly wonder if the Obama administration really understands how close to the edge this country really is in terms of declaring self-government.
Originally posted by MajesticJax
I made a small donation to the guy's "project"- here's the email I got back from him: (personal info removed):
To the crew of Global Equity,
Thank you so much!
Your donation is going straight to our web development. The new site will be at Oathkeepers.org (but the Blogspot will always stay up). Originally it was planned to go up in a month or two but because of the support we've received it will most likely be up in two weeks.
We are also putting together a new video highlighting the 10 orders we will not obey. The first video will be used, in part, as an intro.
Also, we have a few more projects in the works, including care packages for troops with Oath keeper material inside.
We are simply overwhelmed with emails, support, media inquiries and phone calls and we are absolutely amazed at how fast it's taking off.
This is the beginning of something huge and you're a part of it.
Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by Common Good
Yeah I know all about you "marines", we worked with them a few times. Always talk smack and are pretty high on themselves. Pretty damn worthless though when thier guns are gone. When working with american military most not all are pretty damn clueless as to the word improvise. Oh well...I can sit here and be ignorant.. because I am off for a few months with a broken ankle.
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
This looks to be the best way to gage how our troops and LEO's will react to illegal orders by a regime in DC thats hellbent to disarm American citizens to further their socialist, one party agenda! More and more soldiers and law enforcement are under pressure to submit to illegal actions under illegal laws passed by a government that badly needs to be reigned in!
(visit the link for the full news article)
[edit on 3/18/2009 by ZindoDoone]
Originally posted by merkaba93
I have every confidence the majority of our military would side with the people.
The PTB realize that as well and hence we have agreements to bring in Mexican, Canadian and/or UN troops... er I mean "Peacekeepers".
They can also choose to go the paid professional route a la Blackwater during Katrina
Originally posted by Freenrgy2
I don't recall if this is from a movie or if I just made it all up but I have a picture in my . of somone cowering in a corner and being labeled a threat. There are a few soldiers around. One soldier is gung ho on bringing this guy to justice and the one of the soldiers with him states that this man hasn't done anything wrong and that they just can't treat him like this. Just then, a lieutenant walks through the door, draws his weapon and shoots the man in the ., killing him. This is done to send a message to the rest of the soldiers to do their job.
Ain't it grand the times we live in.
Originally posted by DataWraith
Speaking as a Brit on the American issues , I feel that the Oath people are trying to do a good job, an honourable job, but unfortunately it will be like the old Russia. The State(s) will kill a few serving personnel both police AND army to make the others fear for their lives and the lives of their families, then the rest will just jump on command.
They will follow 'orders' no matter how repugnant to their consciense because they are scared of the State(s) and its 'secret police' who will infest their ranks trying to spot 'dissidents'.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Second, you complain about your right to bare arms being infringed... pathetic. If you recall the reason that you would want those arms, is to make sure your nation cannot be subverted, and so that you can take your nation back by force if it is lost to oppression . Well heres a giggle, even if every citizen had an M16 you would STILL be outgunned, and completely incapable of effecting overthrow. YOU dont have tanks, YOU dont have attack planes , YOU do not have massive ordenance delivery methods at your disposal , and you cannot get those things by force because the people protecting those assets are better trained and better armed than you .
Third , the only danger in your nation from the objective veiw point, is that if IF your frontier spirit comes back and kicks the alleged fascist (HAHAHAHAHA WHAT???) off the hot seat, it will be the resulting government which will be the oppressor , the violent, the rascist , the Neo Nazi . If you rise against NOW as opposed to say when Bush was on the top of the dog pile, then that would be the most damning indictment of your entire nation, worse than thousands of innocent people dead at the hands of an illegal war, worse than the CIA importing tone after tone of coke to mess people up with, and much worse than any of the NWO crap you hear about. You ought to understand that you have a better chance now , with the president you have, and the possibilities thereby arising, than you have ever had before, and in all likelihood if you pass this oppertunity for greatness up, you wont get it again in a long long time.
Its your choice, either help lead the world to equality and the wide ranging benifits of that, or lead just your nation into the fire of civil war, and the spread of ignorance. Enjoy that decision, depending on your choice it may be the last one you make !
Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
Now as far as an "Illegal War", since when have you ever been able to judge a Nation's reason for going to War? If a Nation sees it within their scope to take any and all actions necessary in order to secure their future, then by God they have a right to engage in such activities.
Originally posted by vonholland
reply to post by riggs2099
riggs you are highly trolling the thread, this is about the soldiers, not he right to own guns...
on topic please