HR 1388 just passed

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by MajesticJax
It's only for the study of the feasability of the mandatory servitude.

However, it is one step closer to the actual implementation of such a program.

More, it's a study of how best to proceed to get us to beg for it. What problem can they instigate that will create a reaction for which slavery in the guise of "service" is the solution...?

THAT's what they are really looking at.

And the suggestion of rosy, rosy service, extracted "lovingly" by the government, is the beginning. Implant the idea into the heads of the sheep.

Been reading the book you wrote Ill give you my thoughts upon finishing, Looks great so far.


I already know how they will do it and have also been expecting this back when I called it the on coming all volunteer obama dis-information army.

I also mentioned he would crush our economy back when I was pushing for the alternative McCain (not my first choice) in a video I made during the campaign



Here is a post I made for Professor emeritus he would remember my warning this would come to pass and ,, yeah, it's going to get worse. A lot worse.

The planned destruction of the family was part of the communist agenda from its inception by Karl Marx and Frederic Engels. Materialist socialism had as it always does, became communism and in about 1917. It was so successful in the USSR that it threatened to destroy society in the USSR. Curiously, while in the 1940s the USSR took steps to repair the damages its family-hostile policies had caused It became government policy in the USSR. Eventually it became such a problem (as it always does when religion is vilified and outlawed) that Mikhail Gorbechev, recognizing what they had thought was such a bane to society was in fact the counter balance to an opposing ideology where le learned the hard way that no society thrives without such a culture to oppose the other from its own extremes.

American communists imported the Soviet agenda for the planned destruction of the family into the USA. In the sixties they had an agenda to get control of the media and Hollywood where they planned to use the media to alter public opinion and some of you might remember it as McCarthyism.

They went under the radar as Atheists and anti religionists who were committed to revise the constitution, remove God from our language and our politics, get an alternative philosophy a religion of scientism called Darwinism to indoctrinate our young and make God irrelevant in our public schools where a fatherless generation X would be our future.

As many who had scoffed at many of the allegations made during the McCarthy era, the fact is President Barack Obama stands as "The One" those communists, Saul Alinsky and Obama's favorite Author had been talking about and so carefully groomed as The One they had all been waiting for. He would be the one to usher in the next wave and final chapter in the crushing of our economy and the nationalization of our Banks and as we have seen this has already come to pass.

As it turns out, McCarthy was DEAD ON about this movement and his prophecy of the unknowing agents for change in a conspiracy to change our form of Government is as we have also seen the called "Change we can all believe in" But getting someone so well educated and so well groomed, someone with the financial support of NATIONS, would first have to get American voters so fatigued over the status quo that who ever preceded the one would have to simultaneously assist in getting the world to hate us while doing this behind the guise of the only philosophical ideology that had always been the enemy of Communism.

That person was George W Bush who made being a Christian and an American an embarrassment. This was the opportunity they had been waiting for and one they had to up their schedule to meet giving the freshmen senator the go ahead where he had previously announced he was not experienced enough. Experience can wait the time was now and the agenda is unfolding even now.

It has been and continues to be promoted by left-leaning liberals in the West ever since.

Since BimbObama's election, I had seen him interviewed and they asked him what he hates and he said "Cruelty" I found that very curious coming from a man that fought so hard to create a Government mandate on a new form of capital punishment the likes of the Stalinist regime. Those to be executed in this method, it was discovered were invariably found to be in a state of full amnesia having no memory at all.

The kind of amnesia, doctors say, where you will not even recognize your own mother but perhaps for the sound of her voice.

This bill, when examined closely is nothing less than the systematic genocide of specific Americans with certain restrictions cannot be carried out in all circumstances.

The practice has been used for over a century in some cultures and the preparation one suffers at the hands of this execution process is hard to imagine.

OBAMA MIA! That is one hell of an article!
I am afraid however that I am not at all surprised at this and when you look at this closely a stereotype begins to take shape getting more to fit with the rest of this agenda we have been warned about back when Eisenhower was president.

I think we are looking at the final chapter in that agenda spoken about when Krushev was the head of the soviets and saul alinksy refers to "The one" they are all waiting for. The one we have all been waiting for or "They" have all been waiting for is the one most suspected of being a socialist the one all the other people on these boards who are for socialism and the product of that generation also have been waiting for.

The ones who call everyone sheeple for listening to the msm but allowed that same msm to tank for "The one" . He would usher in the new change in our Government and the change is as we have also heard, one we can all believe in as he would have every intention of bringing this change to fruition and all those hypnotized into buying into this guys rhetoric would be unknowing agents in a conspiracy for change. The change we can all believe in would be one of many quotes and phrases taken from the alinsky books about community activism and organization in a step by step, generation by generation movement to get the religious right to back off by controling the media and by giving more and more Americans a taste of socialism in a mantra called multiculturalism which would evolve to diversity or that which divides us.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Then here same theme as I have read all Obama's books and his favorite author Sauk Alinsky

The idea from the obama camp was to ridicule questioner or petitioner with extreme prejudice, get in there face and be loud and angry.

Similar tactics have been used by online gamers who cheat and are caught creating an atmosphere of anxiety leaves one with a choice between two equally distasteful alternatives the same two that are left when Atheists do it and Gays.

I have seen the tactic explained in alinskys book (one of Obamas favs). What it does is makes it riskier to accuse the cheater then it does to BE the cheater. To successfully pull this off their is an unsaid rule among cheaters that they do not "eff" each other over. We see the same rule of thumb in any activist organization. It does not take much to play off others doing it in your "group" and worldviews happen to be more stereotypical among these groups than ever before.

Obama used to get people all riled up in the streets of Chicago Mick and they called themselves community "organizers" but if you had ever seen what he did it was more like a community agitator.

His plan for the economy is simple, BREAK the economy get it so it is FUBAR and install the new one. You would think someone would be wise enough NOT to hire Franklin Raines to manage his campaigns finance. But Obama owed Raines a favor while BOTH of them with the help of that idiot Barney Frank took this economy and hit it right where it would hurt the most just in time for the peak in Gas Prices to climb and the ripple would be felt all over the world. I know him from reading his books too as I HAVE read them. I read how saul alinsky a communist and someone most of obama's speechs borrowed quotes from his books about change. The slow methodical steps it would take to change our Government to one of Socialism then not long after, to communism. How they were grooming someone to bring about that final chapter in this country and how they would recognise him as "the one" they had all been waiting for. Unless you didn't read those same books you wouldn't know what the catch phrases in the speeches given by "the one" were speaking to. Being this was one of Obama's favorite authors, and being that this was one of many he talks about as being the people that shaped his political agenda, it reminds me of the word he used to call them, and those sheep that would follow.

Obama called them his "Mentors".

Here’s a clue. Do you know what the Communists called Westerners who supported their cause?

“Useful idiots.”
www.abovetopsecret.com...

OBAMA AND MICHELLE BOTH have always had an interest in Socialism. They are two people who have never loved this country, they loved the country

they wanted to change this one into.


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What is HR 1388? Is this similar to ancient Soviet Labour groups of Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union?

Mandatory workers group

geez people..it really does not matter who is our president and first lady......
It's puppet theatre at its finest...BO is an orator..not unlike JFK.....
The president does not work for US......
The top conspiracy theory topics show all who is in control.....
This HR1388 is a rehashing of a few older bills...remember the CCC camps....
Here we go again!!!
The stock market crash was intentional..the grooming of BO planned.....his voice and rhetoric to lead the Wal-Mart lemmings closer to the edge .....
The Give Act....yeah right!!!
Read the damned thing......it is florid, glossy and downright frightening!!!
The changes made to it can be seen here.....
www.opencongress.org...

You know what we should do? We should make all the stupid morons who voted for obama and these ass%&@^'s in the house and senate abide by their laws and rules. Why should the smart people who saw through all the crap have to pay?

reply to post by george_gaz


As the UKs churches have declined, so has morality.
People want no accountability. Here in America, we have many parents INVOLVED in their children's lives, church groups, even secular prevention programs already in place.
Many times community help programs are run by churches.
Even here, though community activism has declined.
People are trying to 'get by' in this economy. Factories closed and down-sized.
Lack of manufacturing jobs!

Certainly it's not the governments job to enforce community activism!
Fix the economy!
That line should not be crossed.

During the Nazi Hitler era teens would unknowingly turn in their parents not knowing they would be taken off to concentration camps. Therefore if the parent grows food, is knowledgeable, has guns, gold and a surplus of food they can be ratted out by our youth?. I’m becoming less of a Patriot day by day. This is nothing more than communism! Someone will be required to round up anti-government protesters during the NWO. I figured it may be Obama’s Civilian National Security Force. I have a serious problem, that it relates to school. The parent can be jailed if your child doesn’t attend school. They are covering all the bases. See link below.





Hitler Youth recruitment poster. The wording translates to: "Youth serves the leader. All ten year-olds into the Hitler Youth."


[edit on 19-3-2009 by wonderworld]

OOPS re-post

In Re; Hiltler youth poster.

Hitler Youth recruitment poster. The wording translates to: "Youth serves the leader. All ten year-olds into the Hitler Youth."


[edit on 19-3-2009 by wonderworld]

Originally posted by dgtempe
reply to post by centurion1211

 

Weirdo.

And i thought we were friends. :shk:

Hey, friends can disagree ...

Put down your armor, the boogieman's gonna get you too.Are you saying that things were going fine and wonderful with Bush and suddenly, suddenly this man became president and messed up our blissful lives?

You of all people should know that I never said anything like that about Bush. In fact, if anyone has read my political posts, I turned on Bush when his 2nd term turned to s**t by his own doing.

As i already said, had it been McCain elected, i suppose this country would have taken another path...a path of freedom and peace..right

Where's your apology to all of us for helping elect BUSH???

As opposed to Gore and Kerry??? Look at both of them now. In your heart of hearts you HAVE to know they would have been worse losers. Still, I have posted my regrets at how Bush turned out - more than once.

Many of us were clear-thinking enough before the election to have seen this coming. Many others were so caught up in obama adulation that they never stopped to even ask what was coming. Of course, in their defense, obama rarely said what he planned to do or how he would do it. But the flip side of that is the policies of his handlers and supporters in congress were quite well known.

Edited to add: You cannot blame people such as me to want change, to try to believe in someone after 8 years of sheer hell and lies. Its human nature to look for change. I was on the fence with Obama, then i fell off the fence when i started awakening and realizing Bush just simply passed the batton to Obama...I am entitled to change my mind, i think its pretty big of me to be flexible instead of blindly following one ideal.
Wake up.

[edit on 19-3-2009 by dgtempe]

No, I cannot blame people who want change. But I do blame people who blindly want change for change's sake - without thinking it through at all. And with all due respect, your post quoted earlier on this thread hardly makes you sound like a fence sitter.

You want change, I want change, most of us do. A lot of us never wanted obama's kind of change. Recall that there were other candidates that represented change perhaps we all could have accepted. I'm glad you and others have begun to realize the same. Hopefully, it is not too late to keep from turning this country into the type of nightmare that makes us forget what Bush was like. Remember, Carter made us forget Nixon ...

Obama is starting to push what will be seen as a very unpopular agenda, including another assault on our 2nd amendment rights. The economic "bailout" is already being shown as corrupt. His foreign policy initiatives to talk with our enemies are being shoved back in his face. There's a state's rights movement starting to build momentum that could dramatically reshape the way the country is governed.

So, I've said my piece and made my point. I can leave it go - as long as we can ALL focus on what is happening to us NOW. That's the challenge to obama's past (like you) and current supporters, plus all the people still mentally mired in the last 8 years. It took some of us conservatives too long to see the real Bush. This is the liberals chance to prove they really are superior - by turning on obama now that you also know the truth. And then really starting to work on a better kind of change.

Friends?

Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by george_gaz

 

As the UKs churches have declined, so has morality.

That is a very bold statement to make
So religion alone contributes to morality?

I do agree that Christian numbers and churches are on the decline in the UK, however, I think that atheists also have the capacity to be moral

So I take from your post that what you are saying is that if more people become religious there will be less obesity and less disobedience (as these were two of the main factors that I pointed out affecting the UK)?

Teenagers need a sense of responsibility which they are simply not getting from state schooling and nor are they getting that direction from their parents. So where can they get this guidance?

You mention these church activities (which I assume are open to non-Church-goers) and secular activities but they are purely voluntary, correct?
I can tell you now that none of the kids I see in the UK will voluntarily opt in to a church run program (or any other program for that matter) where they could be elsewhere causing trouble.

reply to post by Essan


I had to join simply to reply to you. Since you live in the UK, You have little right commenting on a bill passed in the US that is seen by its people as unConstitutional... it come across as insulting, as well as arrogant, frankly.

Stick with your own country's draconian servitude laws before commenting on Constitutional issues here in America, which you could not possibly fathom or understand since you are not American, just a polite thought friend.

BTW, (general comment) How anyone could agree that enslaving young children is a good thing, is beyond my ability to understand... but Hitler would understand such things, he also agreed with child slavery.

Regards.

reply to post by george_gaz

TRUE religion always promotes morality.
Poor people, people with low IQs are susceptible to lower standards.
Religion is simple enough for a child to understand. Love your neighbor, etc....

We have LOTS of ministries dedicated to inner city youth and poor rural areas.
Children who can't afford private programs.
Children need GOOD things to do!
I just don't see many atheist or secular organizations doing that.
Boy Scouts, YMCA are Christian organizations.
The few secular programs are disciplinary ones targeted to problem students.

Also, with programs like 'Skins'(On BBC) they are doing a disservice to youth!


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Personally - I think getting kids involved with volunteering is a Great Idea. My daughter has been involved with me in volunteering with the Red Cross, we have raised a large amount of money together for them.

So, having kids volunteer is a very good stepping stone, to helping others in less fortunate situations.

I don't see a problem with getting kids involved with the community, infact it can help us - by kids having my empathy for others.

Originally posted by Verd_Vhett
reply to post by daddyroo45

 

yes but the initial Law requiring the forced servitude is unconstitutional I have no doubt that this will go to the supreme court and they will be forced to over turn this! however untill then how many Americans are going to be enslaved!

what do you want to bet the servituded for white aldult men will be, Picking cotton would not suprise me one bit!

Ha, ha, ha. The Supreme Court to the rescue?! You're more likely to be rescued or evacuated by the ETs.

The "Clowns in Gowns", will not save you.

Originally posted by timewalker
I just saw the bill pass live on C-Span. Get ready for "Servitude". Senate, fuhgettaboutit, just need Obama's signature with no less than 10 pens. National service laws re-authorized.

Here is the proof:

www.govtrack.us...
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What proof? BS and fear monger much?

National Service laws re-authorized??

There is a provision to explore and discuss requiring community service of young folks, likely as part of a school curriculum.

Not to authorize it, not even to propose it, but to explore and discuss the issue...

So when you say "National Service laws re-authorized!" "Here's the proof"...WTF are you talking about?

BS and fear mongering that is what you people bring to the political discussion.

reply to post by Aermacchi


This is all Platonism.

In history it is known as Civitate Dei (God's Republic, by St. Avgustine), and Marxism-Leninism.

And there are other examples, too many to list them...

Emanuel is behind this. (Not Silvio Emanuel :cool.

reply to post by wonderworld


I have had enough of slobbering idiotic Rush Limbaugh followers likening the President of the United States to Hitler.

You're ignorance of history is only equaled by your complete failure to understand the present. My Grandfather escaped Nazi Germany ...have we just reached a point where it has been long enough where idiots toss out Hitler and the Nazi's as a punchline in a partisan soundbite?

It's dumb and gross and if anyone I knew ever likened GW Senior or Junior, Reagan or any President of the US to Hitler they would quickly find my foot up their ass. You guys are idiots! And this...this Nazi line of BS is the cherry on the pile of failed BS that the Republican party has been serving.

Keep it going...you are driving your party so far down that we will be a one party system for years to come.

reply to post by maybereal11


Discuss it? For what purpose, may I ask? Exercise in rhetoric, people are so idle, have nothing better to do...

This is a class in Marxism and you better attend to i, because you might lose yourself in it...

Citizens ... get used to the feel of the red boot against the back of your neck. Citizens ... isn't it glorious to 'volunteer' and toil for the state. Repeat after me .... 'Press that red boot harder. I love this 'CHANGE' '

Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
Community service - how terrible- how could they dare.

Community service .... candy coated wording for slavery to the state.

REAL community service is voluntary and is from the heart.
Slavery to the state is just the radical left getting work done for free.

Originally posted by DangerDeath
reply to post by maybereal11

 

Discuss it? For what purpose, may I ask? Exercise in rhetoric, people are so idle, have nothing better to do...

This is a class in Marxism and you better attend to i, because you might lose yourself in it...

Please edit your post so I can understand your drivel ...maybe try typing with both hands on the keyboard as you spout off about Marxism etc.