HR 1388 just passed

My Congressman voted Nay. I just sent him a warm thank you. I sent letters to my local Senator and both State Senators and asked them to do the same. People please do the same. Strength in numbers.

I have an idea for the "voluntary community service". Why not join the private militia groups around the country? They provide a community service, namely to keep these &*%%$#$^&* politicians from pulling *(&*$*(&*^* like this.

It is indeed ironic, that Rahm pushed to institute this, and in Nazi Germany, Rohm founded and led the Sturmabteilung (the SA). Rahm worked with Obama prior to the election on this, and other socialist efforts, and Rohm and Hitler worked together on the national socialistic agenda. In 1934, Hitler turned on Rohm, and had him executed. Will Obama turn on Rahm, if things do not go well?


A forerunner of HR 1388 training?


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reply to post by FunSized

I've already sent my email to my congressional reps and I just hope that now I'm not on some red list somewhere

With this legislation, EVERYONE is on the red list.

Hmmm... as I've been watching the dog and pony show the admin and the media have been trotting out the past few days about the AIG bonuses I kept thinking...

"Frogs - this is a distraction. A deliberate distraction so the people won't notice something that is going on. But, what?!"

Well - I guess we know what now..

Originally posted by Essan
I'm in the Uk, but the way I see it is that kids need to learn a sense of social resonsibility and this may be a way of doing it.

Okay, it's statements like this that really set me off. Just exactly WHOSE kids are you talking about? Yours I hope! OUR children DO NOT belong to some government. And, if they do not want to become socialist slaves, that should be their right. It's a good thing my kids are grown now, because if some government were to force servitude upon MY kids, there would be an exchange of bullets before I'd let some government gangsters haul them off to do whatever it is some government thinks they should be doing.

Hey government: Leave the people alone! Let us live our lives in peace as we please (with the only exception being those that live to victimize others).

Damn, this government has gone totally rouge on us. Well, their study better include the possible CONSEQUENCES of what could happen when they try to conscript those that want to live free and mind their own business.

Well, if this administration is going to make me a mandatory volunteer to be a slave to whatever it is they will be forcing us to do, then I will also require them to be a mandatory volunteer in kissing my ass. Simple as that.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Where does it say that the work will be mandatory?

It doesn't. That is some crap made up by the Obama haters of the world. Basically those 55 years or older will volunteer their time in order to help organize students to teach them how to improve their communities.

Community service is already required for most all kids who get in trouble, so no change there. It will actually be a positive for them to do it under an organized umbrella.

Community service - how terrible- how could they dare.

The fact that anyone is against this shows just how far our principles have fallen as a nation. I am truly disgusted.

Although this bill doesn't require it I personally am in favor of all citizens spending some time in community service. I will sign up if they allow a 46 year old to do so.

reply to post by Blaine91555


It is mandatory that if the school/campus wants matching goverment funds that 90% particpate. They are also limiting the grants to 25 campuses.

So it's not mandatory. If 10% of the kids don't want to do it then they get no funds from the goverment.

Besides, who in their right mind doesn't want to serve their community? If it's you then you should probably move to a community that you wish to support. If you don';t wish to serve yourcommunity no matter what then I think you should be picked up with the garbage because you are why we need this stuff in the first place.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

It is indeed ironic, that Rahm pushed to institute this, and in Nazi Germany, Rohm founded and led the Sturmabteilung (the SA). Rahm worked with Obama prior to the election on this, and other socialist efforts, and Rohm and Hitler worked together on the national socialistic agenda. In 1934, Hitler turned on Rohm, and had him executed. Will Obama turn on Rahm, if things do not go well?

Quite Prof, quite. 'Hitler' & 'Youth' are never far from mind are they? If only I could believe that it were not necessary. I abhor the idea as much as the next man. But imagine the next generation of minors coming of age. How many of them will be the progeny of children? The blind leading the blind. Any effor to break the cycle of ignorance is already two generations late.

Don't get me wrong. I do not see this as the benevolent intervention of a Nanny State. But our overfed, hypnotized, 'developed', comfortable, conveniently apathetic, western lifestyle is witnessing the end of its days as it knew them.

This is sure to follow in the UK. Teen pregnancies have skyrocketed in the last 2 years. We're already in the throes of social meltdown. And busy providing more subjects!

There's a very old (and very sexist) adage from medieval England that goes, "You can beat your wench and your walnut, but never beat your dog". Crazy, ancient and misogynistic, yes. But the point is trees were/are beaten due to the fact that, under stress, they would fruit copiously.

All species inhabiting the bottom of the food chain - or at least a position of duress - multiply like there's no tomorrow. Living memory bears this out with regard to two World Wars.

I'd hazard the guess that the present stress our population finds itself under is, however, unprecedented.

Humans will survive as a species, but the cull this century will be huge. . . James Lovelock

www.newscientist.com...

I realise the linked article may seem off topic, but is it really? And I reiterate: I abhor the idea of mandatory state discipline/servitude. But given the opportunity of State Office: what would you do? Let's put the bravado away with other childish things and acknowledge that, when it all goes tribal, you and I are gonna pray like Tutsi's & Kurds.



[edit on 18/3/09 spelling/grammar by Catesby]

[edit on 18/3/09 by Catesby]

Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Where does it say that the work will be mandatory?

It doesn't. That is some crap made up by the Obama haters of the world. Basically those 55 years or older will volunteer their time in order to help organize students to teach them how to improve their communities.

Community service is already required for most all kids who get in trouble, so no change there. It will actually be a positive for them to do it under an organized umbrella.

Community service - how terrible- how could they dare.

The fact that anyone is against this shows just how far our principles have fallen as a nation. I am truly disgusted.

Although this bill doesn't require it I personally am in favor of all citizens spending some time in community service. I will sign up if they allow a 46 year old to do so.

Thanks, I feel much better now! I read this thread, then I went and read the summary of the bill
www.govtrack.us...
and I didn't see anything like everybody (almost) was talking about. Nothing mandatory in what I read.

reply to post by Pauligirl


Summaries don't say much. You have to look at the entire thing. Something our Reps never do. Be it these just look into the possibilities.

www.govtrack.us...

SEC. 6104. DUTIES.

(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:

(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.

(8) The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for elementary and secondary school students, through service learning or other means, and by raising awareness of existing incentives.

(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.

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Originally posted by dgtempe
reply to post by centurion1211

 

COme on, can you get off the Bush rants and see this for what it is??????

Its got ALL to do with Bush, even Clinton and Obama is the tip of the spear, he is going to bring it all together- for Petes sakes, doesnt it ever sink into you????
I'm a liberal and i'm screaming COMMUNISM! pLEASE, stop with the Democratic and Republican rhetoric, its all the SAME~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!

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And I call BS because of all your rhetoric leading up to the election. Now, you're running around screaming about communism? Where were you when we were warning everyone about that BEFORE the election??? All of the sudden to you this has NOTHING to do with demos and Republicans???? What are you saying this now for, to save face????

Again, I call BS.

Perhaps, after all your anti-Bush and Republican rhetoric leading up to the election some of us just need to hear some "mea culpas, we screwed up royally in supporting obama" before moving on to jointly deal with this piece of trash YOU helped elect.

Clear enough?


[edit on 3/18/2009 by centurion1211]

Thought i'd throw my 2 cents in here. Someone mentioned "Social Responsibility" earlier in the thread. Neither I nor anyone else has a responsibility to society. All there is is Personal Responsibility. If people can't take care of their Personal Responsibilities, best of luck to them. Neither I nor you nor anyone else has an obligation to take care of anyone but ourselves and those we CHOOSE to. Teaching (i.e. indoctrinating) kids this phony dogma of "Social Responsibility" is at best a waste of the kids' time and at worst teaching an entire generation that it's ok to be a leech on the system: Big Brother will take care of you (while he slowly takes away all of your rights). Also, it was mentioned that this is just a study of (call it what it is) forced labor. How do you think they're going to study the effects?! By trying it out!!! This is fascism at its finest: If you allow yourself or your kids to become government slaves, then slavery is what you deserve.

TheAssociate

Originally posted by Essan
It's a bill to look into the feasibility of getting youngsters to do something to improve and help their community rather than just trash it. As part of their education. I can understand why some disaprove

Of course, if kids were raised better maybe it wouldn't be needed?

Whose fault is it they drink, fight, vandalise and have no respect for anyone or anything else? The govts?

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What is there to respect in today's society ?
www.ascentofhumanity.com...

"To most of the roles society offers, I say, "You are made for more than that." We inhabit, in the words of Ivan Illich, "a world into which nobody fits who has not been crushed and molded by sixteen years of formal education." The very idea of having to be at a job "on time" was appalling to early industrial laborers, who also refused the numbing repetitiveness of industrial work until the specter of starvation compelled them. What truly self-respecting person would spend a life marketing soda pop or chewing gum unless they were somehow broken by repeated threats to survival? "

Not only does school prepare us to submit to the trivialized, demeaning, dull, and unfulfilling jobs that dominate our economy to the present time, not only does it prepare us to be modern producers, it equally prepares us to be modern consumers. Consider Gatto's description:

Schools train individuals to respond as a mass. Boys and girls are drilled in being bored, frightened, envious, emotionally needy, generally incomplete. A successful mass production economy requires such a clientele. A small business, small farm economy like that of the Amish requires individual competence, thoughtfulness, compassion, and universal participation; our own requires a managed mass of leveled, spiritless, anxious, familyless, friendless, godless, and obedient people who believe the difference between "Cheers" and "Seinfeld" is worth arguing about.

They know that there is a way the world is supposed to be, and a magnificent role for themselves in that more beautiful world. Broken to the lesser lives we offer them, they react with hostility, rage, cynicism, depression, escapism, or self-destruction—all the defining qualities of modern adolescence. Then we blame them for not bringing these qualities under control, and when they finally have given up their idealism we call them mature. Having given up their idealism, they can get on with the business of survival: practicality and security, comfort and safety, which is what we are left with in the absence of purpose. So we suggest they major in something practical, stay out of trouble, don't take risks, build a résumé. We think we are practical and wise in the ways of the world. Really we are just broken and afraid. We are afraid on their behalf, and, less nobly, we are afraid of what their idealism shows us: the plunder and betrayal of our own youthful possibilities.

reply to post by centurion1211
Weirdo.

And i thought we were friends. :shk:

Put down your armor, the boogieman's gonna get you too.Are you saying that things were going fine and wonderful with Bush and suddenly, suddenly this man became president and messed up our blissful lives?

As i already said, had it been McCain elected, i suppose this country would have taken another path...a path of freedom and peace..right
Where's your apology to all of us for helping elect BUSH???


Edited to add: You cannot blame people such as me to want change, to try to believe in someone after 8 years of sheer hell and lies. Its human nature to look for change. I was on the fence with Obama, then i fell off the fence when i started awakening and realizing Bush just simply passed the batton to Obama...I am entitled to change my mind, i think its pretty big of me to be flexible instead of blindly following one ideal.
Wake up.

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the way I see it, if people wanted to help their communities, then they should help their communities. Nobody should be forced to do a damn thing unless ordered by a court that says that they need more responsibility in their life. What about all the good kids out there that do well, and follow the rules? You know, your kids =)
This is one step shy of the draft, if not the same thing. Forcing people to fulfill ones own agenda is not the way to go. You CANT force anyone to do anything.
Its funny I see some of the posts in here(wont name names) that say that it should be done to teach kids what is right and what is wrong, and how to show some respect for their communities. You know what I say to that PSHHH!!!!! Im sorry, but that is the PARENTS DUTIES! Not the governments.
I feel bad for anybody who falls for this. Its a shame that so many people are willing to just sign their kids away as if they are property of the government.

Now I wonder just what kind of "community service" they will implement...oh I know a good one. We have to remove those scary, dangerous nasty guns away from people that want to kill. Yep that sounds like a good bit of "community service". The kids can help by being snitches. Perfect.

reply to post by Clearskies


Nope , we over here in the Uk we DON't have forced servitude, apparently we're glad to work for minimum wage.
At least thats whats our Governments saying.
Apparently everythings hunkydory over here.
Sorry, whats that Comrade? Yes I AM telling them everything is fine, no its great over here,No Please don't hit me Comrade.I'm typing as fast as I can. NO PLEASE NOOOO.

reply to post by DataWraith


roflmao!! thats two laughs in onenight. great stuff
Make sure you polish your boots tonight, and take out all of those irish pennants off of your cammies. Whats that I hear knocking at the door?
Oh no, its Obamas hit team, Ill see ya later, or maybe not.

reply to post by Clearskies


Can I just ask you this ... (without thinking of your own children as you have already mentioned that you raised them well) how do you feel about the rising obesity and disobedience of teenagers (which is apparent to see in the UK)?
Do you blame the parents? If so, then we agree on something ... however, what happens to the children? They then become bad parents (at 15 years of age by the looks of things where I live in the UK )and then what happens to their kids? They become bad parents.
Can you see where I am going with this?

So how can we step in to break this cycle to teach them a sense of responsibility because state schools are clearly failing to do this and so are the parents.