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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
If you're government doesnt give a crap about you in the first place and doesnt need you for anything and has lost all semblance of morality and your goal is to be rid of the damn thing then nonviolent protest will just end up in your death.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Like the American Revolution could have been won with drum circles?
Like if all the Jews just went limp instead of marching into train cars the Holocaust would have never happened?
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Some people can be dealt with in nonviolent ways and others cant. There are a multitude of factors that can sway one method in a better favor than another but to come out and say "nonviolence is the answer" is frankly naive.
Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
If this is the case, you are dead anyway. The government far out guns even the best armed civilian militia today.
Originally posted by spec_ops_wannabe
reply to post by Anonymous Avatar
Simple, with foreign military units and the UN. There's already some agreement for mutual military aid between the USA and Canada if I'm not mistaken for domestic stuff. I'd imagine there's something between the USA and some European countries as well.
Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
With out the military how do they possibly 'out gun' tens of millions of armed American citizens????
Originally posted by stikkinikki
I am not sure how much of a battle it is going to be if Congressional Democratic leadership is not going to back such an effort. I've included two recent articles of interest:
Reid joins Pelosi in opposing ban revival
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will join House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in opposing any effort to revive the 1994 assault-weapons ban, putting them on the opposite side of the Obama administration.
PELOSI IN SYNC WITH NRA?
That's right, Pelosi is using talking points which used to be standard NRA talking points regarding gun laws for years... "start with enforcing the law" on the books.
what is it that you don't understand about guns keeping the government from taking all your rights?
Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
reply to post by orangetom1999
I never thought of the First ten amendments that way before. That you for putting it into that context.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by BluegrassRevolutionary
As an individual who never claimed "war with government" as an excuse to own my rifles I suggest a better option would be to avoid all that crap anyway, violent or nonviolent.
Government seems plenty capable of destroying itself and America if more than large enough to live your entire life unnoticed.
Leave the BS protests and bloody battles to insane people trapped in urban areas.
I expect tax collectors and the like to be pretty busy if the situation should come to such a point and I'm not going to go out of my way to abandon my land and get shot in the face or arrested with flowers in my hair.
Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
If this is the case, you are dead anyway. The government far out guns even the best armed civilian militia today.
Again, in the days of the American revolution, the weapons gap between the revolutionaries and the government was very small. Even in the case of Nazi Germany, this gap was not too great to be overcome. Today, this gap is insurmountable with mere assault weapons.
In light of the arms gap present today, I feel it is not naive to believe in a non violent resistance. In fact, I find to be a realistic, albeit hard to swallow, fact.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by stikkinikki
I am not sure how much of a battle it is going to be if Congressional Democratic leadership is not going to back such an effort. I've included two recent articles of interest:
Reid joins Pelosi in opposing ban revival
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will join House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in opposing any effort to revive the 1994 assault-weapons ban, putting them on the opposite side of the Obama administration.
PELOSI IN SYNC WITH NRA?
That's right, Pelosi is using talking points which used to be standard NRA talking points regarding gun laws for years... "start with enforcing the law" on the books.
Oh lordy! my world just collapsed. ME and PELOSI standing on the same side of anything? say it ain't so....
nenothtu out
Winnemucca police statement on bar shootings
May 26, 2008 04:29 AM
Statement from the Winnemucca Police Department:
On Sunday May 25, 2008 at approximately 2:30 a.m. the Winnemucca Police Department was dispatched to the Players Bar and Grill located at 1062 South Grass Valley Road on the report of numerous shots fired and multiple gunshot victims. A combined law enforcement team consisting of Officers from the Winnemucca Police Department and Deputies from the Humboldt County Sheriff's Office responded to the dispatch call and secured the scene. There were approximately 300 patrons in and around the bar. No shots were fired by law enforcement during the incident. The officers on scene discovered three adult males who had died from obvious gunshot wounds. Two additional gunshot victims were also located. One of these victims, a 34 year old male, was transported to Humboldt General Hospital via private vehicle. The other victim, a 22 year old female, was transported via Humboldt County Ambulance. Both of these injured parties were treated and admitted to Humboldt General Hospital in "stable condition". Both victims have now been released from the hospital. The initial investigation indicated that there had been two separate shooters during the incident. One of the alleged shooters, Ernesto Fuentes Villagomez, age 30 of Winnemucca, was among the three men who were dead on arrival. The other was a 48 year old Reno man who was initially taken into custody at the scene as a person of interest. The subsequent investigation lead detectives to believe that Villagomez entered the bar and at some point began firing multiple rounds. At least two of these rounds struck and killed the other two decedents, Jose Torres age, 20 and his brother Margarito Torres, age 19 both of Winnemucca. At some point during this shooting spree Villagomez allegedly stopped and according to witnesses reloaded his high capacity handgun and began shooting again. It was at this point that the second shooter, the Reno resident, produced a concealed handgun and proceeded to fire upon Villagomez who succumbed to his wounds. The Reno resident was in possession of a valid Concealed Carry Permit issued through the Washoe County Sheriff's Office. After further investigation as well as ongoing discussions with Humboldt County District Attorney Russell Smith, the decision was made that the shooting of Villagomez by the Reno man was a justifiable homicide as outlined in Nevada Revised Statute 200.120 and 200.160. Because of this the Reno man was released from police custody. Although the shooting occurred during the Runnamucca event weekend there is no evidence linking the incident to any rival motorcycle gangs or clubs. Additionally, each of the decedents and victims were all Winnemucca residents. The investigation is currently pursuing a lead that indicates that this event may have been the result of a long standing feud between several families. There have been no further acts of violence reported in relation to this incident. The Winnemucca Police Department utilized the services of the Washoe County Crime Lab to assist with the processing of the crime scene. Additional support in the investigation was provided by the Humboldt County Sheriff's Office, the Department of Public Safety - Investigation and Highway Patrol Divisions, and the Humboldt County District Attorney's Office.
reply to post by spec_ops_wannabe
Pfft. Yeah it's from Fox News (or faux news like some of you say).