H.R. 1388 - "Required Service" and "Mandatory Volunteer"

WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!!

LINK to bill

Quote:
"Upon looking through this bill, it is veryy disturbing to see the words "required" and "madatory voluneer" in section VI 6104. Why would that language be in any kind of legislation present, future or possible that supposedly is completely voluntary?

It sounds like the "mandatory volunteer Service" Obama and Rham talked about in interviews but then scrubbed their site of the language when people became upset.

It appears it was slipped in here under everyone's nose. No doubt to be overlooked until this legislation passes and they can make it required instead of voluntary."

Now I must ask all of you:
ARE YOU A SHEPHERD OR ARE YOU SHEEP?

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[edit on 18 Mar 09 by Gools]

Here's the excerpt:

(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:

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(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

It doesn't necessarily call for mandatory or required service - only for research on what effects such measures might have - but the idea that they're even considering it is pretty unnerving.

Good find OP.

Hmmmm. I looked over your link and did not find the word "mandatory" anywhere. Perhaps I missed it?

It is disturbing that they are contemplating any kind of "mandatory" "service." This is the government stating that they think they have a right to use us as slaves.

Dress it up in the cloth of "service" but it's still forced labor (slavery).

I would support a mandatory service if it were for community service, not being sent overseas to fight in wars. It would not hurt any American to put in so many hours of mandatory community service, and it could be a very positive experience, in which our youth can grow and learn what rewards come with giving of ourselves. What are the drawbacks?

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I would support a mandatory service if it were for community service, not being sent overseas to fight in wars. It would not hurt any American to put in so many hours of mandatory community service, and it could be a very positive experience, in which our youth can grow and learn what rewards come with giving of ourselves. What are the drawbacks?

I see. So you think it is ok to rob people of their freedom? The drawbacks are that it is intrusive, draconian, and impressing your values onto others. It is anti-freedom.

If it is such a good experience, people would be volunteering, and not NEED to be forced.

And, on top of that, it impresses the government all the further into our private lives.

By enacting a bill that forces a citizen to serve is unconstitutional. 13th amendment would be violated.

The government could try and do it, but it would result in blood shed. A revolution would be kicked off instantly. The first revolution was over taxes, imagine the public hangings that would take place on the front steps of the capitol of all the aye votes?

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Hmmmm. I looked over your link and did not find the word "mandatory" anywhere. Perhaps I missed it?

Section 6104, B6.
Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

Gee.. I am fairly certain that the nations that require mandatory service think that they are doing the right thing, too. Forced-service is forced service

Here is the full-text of the bill. Some folks may have missed the link on the side of my original posting:

link

reply to post by shrike071


Thanks. I guess I did miss it.

And yes. When we are forced into some service, it is forced service. And any "service" forced is NOT Service. It is slavery.

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Hmmmm. I looked over your link and did not find the word "mandatory" anywhere. Perhaps I missed it?

It is disturbing that they are contemplating any kind of "mandatory" "service." This is the government stating that they think they have a right to use us as slaves.

Dress it up in the cloth of "service" but it's still forced labor (slavery).

H.R. 1388: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act
This is an excerpt from the text of the bill (status: Reported in House). Jump to this paragraphin the full text. .

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(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

There ya have it

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I would support a mandatory service if it were for community service, not being sent overseas to fight in wars. It would not hurt any American to put in so many hours of mandatory community service, and it could be a very positive experience, in which our youth can grow and learn what rewards come with giving of ourselves. What are the drawbacks?

What the HELL is WRONG with you people! Do you know what it cost us in blood and money and sacrifice to make this country a place where,

NO ONE could MAKE you go to Church!

No ONE could MAKE you serve ANYONE!

No ONE would even support something like this not too long ago because YOU would no more like having me support something YOU didn't like anymore than I would like YOU even suggesting such enroads to the kind of tyranny this would lead us.

Don't EVEN say that idea is ridiculous because history has proven it is not only NOT a silly notion but happens EVERY TIME.

This USED to be a Country where you KNEW your contribution was from the heart because you did it on your own volition but what you get with "forced" (volunteersim) as if the word even makes any sense, is people who work begrudgingly, ambivalent about what they do, re-miss in their responsibility to their duites and careless in the quality of their workmanship. In essence you get a lot of crap done dirt cheap and all anyone does is complain while those working in this capacity couldn't care less because they get paid the same whether they make you happy or not and besides, they ain't happy, why the hell should YOU be for supporting such communistic ideals.

I swear I see more of this from young people everyday and they haven't a clue how slippery a slope this kind of garbage will take us

The above post gets a trillion stars from me!!! You hit the nail on the head!

The baby boomers were so much more patriotic than those generations before and since. We did volunteer to serve in the military and Peace Corp., church, Boy and Girl Scouts and so on. 67% of us that served in Vietnam were volunteers and 67% of the WWII vets were draftees...... Of course we had a President that was a charismatic war hero, who during his inauguration stated, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".... And twenty years later the "me generation", "greed is good" and Ronald Reagan.... The period that opened the door for what we now have to live with.... Another Kennedy Quote, " I don't ask why, but why not?"

I am not young, I will be forty this year.

And, I would love to volunteer for the Peace Corps, now that the kids are nearly grown. But they only take people with four yr degrees, so unless I get wealthy overnight, I can't do that. But I can do things with in my community, I believe community service is a good thing, and if more kids were required to perform it before they even got out of school, they could gain valuable networking contacts for their future, use it on future resumes, for college entrance, etc. There are many benefits.

If classes like PE are required, why not community service?

reply to post by hotbakedtater


Volunteering and being forced to do mandatory civil labor are not the same thing by any degree!!!
Now how would you feel if they chose YOUR children to dig ditches or pick up garbage along the freeway? We don't even know what kind of services that they truly plan on providing with this bill, but I would imagine that some of it would not be very pretty.
And what if it conflicted with what your children or anybody else's wanted to do with their lives? Aren't we supposed to be free to make decisions about our futures when we are growing up?
I personally have a major problem with one of my constitutional rights being violated in such a way as to negatively affect my own future endeavors.
And if this thing actually goes through, you will not have the option of saying "No" according to the language i'm reading here. This is disturbing, and as a previous poster said, a slippery slope indeed!

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
If classes like PE are required, why not community service?

Because PE is NOT a service...

You did want Obama to keep all his promises right?

What a Commy piece of crap.

Just like our whole Govt.

I have written my congressman about this bill. The use of the wording,"REQUIRED and "MANDATORY"smacks of communism. A volunteer program should never consider the words ,required or mandatory.

What's next? What are our fine congress men and women going to force down our collective throats next? Mandatory and required suicide for the old and infirm,or those with decreased mental capacity?

After all,in the eyes of a progressive nation where volunteer service is mandatory,the useless feeders are a drain on resources.

reply to post by daddyroo45


I'll keep a FEMA bed warm for you buddy!!!
This is just another shot at our civil liberties, fast disappearing
and so many citizens of this nation just don't GET IT!

When people were drafted to fight in wars it WAS mandatory to do so.
Now I don't think anyone should be forced to do anything and I absolutely don't believe in any draft but come on! Its mandatory to pay the Rothchiklds every April (IRIS Taxes!) , I do think a lot of people are being un-patriotic by fear mongering and on top of that it really is a shame that people do so when you all really know that the power IS in the hands of the people, ALL of the people. That means the people NOT for President Obama and the people that ARE for President Obama. We all make things the way they are. Don't be upset at the people that did wan't to shift certain powers around, voted and really did praise the democratic process. The People that voted for the man do not wan't to ruin this beautiful country. Its really silly to think so and people that have a grip on them selves really do see right through this tactic. There are many many major problems with this world and we are trying to better them. If you don't really wan't to or actually truly don't give a crap about your neighbor then don't bother. whatever!

You see we've been where YOU are. We know! We will make it all work out too because we are experienced. Now that YOU see real power shift YOU come out and label it as un-patriotic, not the America that you know. Well think about it for a second. WE did that when WE saw that we were heading into war for an..un-patriotic reason, for other peoples personal agendas and actually were being extremely lied to FACT - FACT - FACT!!

Where were you!!! Thats OK, you were defending our lives and I praise and thank you but remember we ARE making things better.

It doesn't actually matter if President Obama is a pupet figure, The people wan't to change the things that you and we want to change and our voices HAVE been heard around the world. We have ourselves. That is whats up. Thats was the BIG deal in November, you know the record turn outs..etc.

What we dont want is division because then WE would be split up. We really does mean You and I.

Remember you right wingers we know this game and we do want our rights.....come on already..think about it. Your doing what we did for the last 8 years (at least) in the first month when in reality the movment has been a success.

So we ARE on your side. Keep up the good work. We do want to preserve our rights. We just need to make sure that WE can!!

Also people could really care less about President Obamas PERSONAL interest. What he has IS the people. That IS what he is REALLY known for, I mean come on, you know it! And that HE does NOT want to loose! and THAT is OUR power. Yes we need to speak up and not let him give in and take our rights.

I believe if you want to make it in life that you have to do just that, not have the GOV (society) Bail you out. Problem is is that some things are real screwed up, like criminal stuff..bad stuff..you all know, power abuse..blah blah etc. and so yeah, we have a little bit of a socialist viewing going on, well we have to fix this stuff for anything to work and were not gonna be a socialist country or communist nation, we are and always will be the good ole U.S of A!
I guess my point is now that we have it, lets not screw it up.
Oh yeah and mandatory is whack!

[edit on 17-3-2009 by Stella Lotus]