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H.R. 1388 To Reauthorize and Reform the National Service Laws.

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posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 07:29 AM
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Man y'all sound like a bunch of alarmists...

I'm in total support of this bill.

I'm calling my senators today to tell them I want them to pass it.

If EVERYONE spent a little time in national service we would be much better off.






[edit on 19-3-2009 by HunkaHunka]




posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 07:39 AM
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They are pulling the wool over everyone's eyes with this!!!!!!!!!

This Americorps renewal bill as it is being called in the MSM is indeed HR 1388. I read no mention of Americorps in that bill. However, they refer to the Corporation.

I have seen this story in several news papers but only one cited the the actual bill by H.R. 1388. This is odd. Why isn't Americorps mentioned in the new revised title of this bill??

www.wtopnews.com...

I found this buried in the bill. I couldn't find any further text on this.
What could this have to do with Americorps? Amtrak waste disposal??

TITLE VI--MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS
`Sec. 601. Amtrak waste disposal.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 07:45 AM
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Do they want the youth to work for corporations?
Amtrak is already subsidized by the government!
Creepy!



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by jibeho
They are pulling the wool over everyone's eyes with this!!!!!!!!!




The SKY is falling!!!!!





This Americorps renewal bill as it is being called in the MSM is indeed HR 1388. I read no mention of Americorps in that bill. However, they refer to the Corporation.



Yes... just like the many other programs spun off into corporations from the gov. Like the US Postal Service, Americorps, etc....




I have seen this story in several news papers but only one cited the the actual bill by H.R. 1388. This is odd. Why isn't Americorps mentioned in the new revised title of this bill??



It's referred to as the Americorps renewal bill because of the TYPE of bill it is, not because it has to specifically mention Americorps

Come on folks... this isn't all that amazing...

oh wait... you know what we need here...

We need a little GB...




posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka



We don't need the government to get involved with mandatory service programs. The more the govt. gets involved the more things get screwed up. The govt. can't mandate ethics and moral rectitude. Why you ask? Just look at the a- holes in our govt. Should my kids be learning from their examples? I THINK NOT!! Unless I want to teach my kids about tax evasion. Should my kids learn from Hollywood? NO WAY!!

Govt. can't fix our screwed up society. Enroll your kids in programs through your church, civic center, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, 4H, Junior Achievement, etc. Teach kids by example. It all starts in MY home. I don't need big govt. in my home.


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[edit on 19-3-2009 by mrwupy]



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by jibeho


We don't need the government to get involved with mandatory service programs. The more the govt. gets involved the more things get screwed up.



Really? To me this is an urban legend... a myth, as I've never seen any proof of this statement so wildly used.





The govt. can't mandate ethics and moral rectitude. Why you ask? Just look at the a- holes in our govt. Should my kids be learning from their examples? I THINK NOT!!



How do you make the jump between a service corp and learning from politicians?

By your logic we shouldn't even have a military, for fear our children will be like politicians.




Unless I want to teach my kids about tax evasion. Should my kids learn from Hollywood? NO WAY!!



What's hollywood got to do with this?




Govt. can't fix our screwed up society. Enroll your kids in programs through your church, civic center, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, 4H, Junior Achievement, etc. Teach kids by example. It all starts in MY home. I don't need big govt. in my home.


Oh I agree it does all start in the home... My Son was also in Boy Scouts and I was his Den Leader... which is WHY I SUPPORT this bill. I'd love to see every kid go through something like Cub Scouts...

Now as an American I want to see my fellow man care about their community, and since WE THE PEOPLE are doing such a piss poor job of it individually, I have asked my representatives to put together a program such as this.

They have listened to the will of the people and are doing so.

You say Gov can only screw things up... well it looks like society is done a great job of screwing itself up if you ask me...

Anti-intellectualism promoted as Americanism...
Religious values being promoted as American values
People believing that "get a haircut and get a real job" is somehow some sort of statement of individual freedom

If you don't want stuff like this to happen, then celebrate liberty and remove the divisions in our culture.. let freedom ring... Embrace the people you don't agree with as Americans... That is the only other way to get what you and I both want.

Until that time when we can come together as Americans, then Gov will have to facilitate it.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:10 AM
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Read the language in this bill. I am expected to accept the fact that a committee of politicians in DC is going to determine what is best for the youth in our country.

Barney Frank would make a great mentor
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posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:11 AM
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Once again, you confuse the legislators with the administrators of this service corps.

Barney Frank will not be administrating the corps... so I don't understand your point.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Man y'all sound like a bunch of alarmists...

I'm in total support of this bill.

I'm calling my senators today to tell them I want them to pass it.

If EVERYONE spent a little time in national service we would be much better off.
[edit on 19-3-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Sounds good to me...while you are at it, grab up a few brown T-shirts and head on your way. You and your kind should just go ahead and volunteer, whattaya say?

I'm also willing to bet that you have never served in the military, and there is a 50% chance you are a trust-fund baby who's daddy would just buy his way out, so you have no worries about ever getting your pretty nails dirty.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
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Once again, you confuse the legislators with the administrators of this service corps.

Barney Frank will not be administrating the corps... so I don't understand your point.


Barney Frank is the poster boy for all that is wrong with DC politics.

My point is sarcasm! Read the bill. A slew of corrupt politicians will declare the guidelines for these programs. The administrators are accountable to the committee and the standards set forth by them. The admins. are only as good as the policies that direct them.

My kids will learn from the everyday heroes in our lives. My neighbor who beat breast cancer, the fireman down the street who administered cpr to a stranger while off duty, my next door neighbor who volunteers to teach english as a second language to Legal immigrants, My brother in law who helps improve homes at no charge throughout impoverished areas of West Virginia... I can go on and on.

We can debate until the cows come home. I agree with you in certain areas but we clearly don't agree on govt. involvement in this arena.

I am still trying to figure out how "Amtrak waste disposal" has anything to do with this bill.

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posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by siFtInG

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Man y'all sound like a bunch of alarmists...

I'm in total support of this bill.

I'm calling my senators today to tell them I want them to pass it.

If EVERYONE spent a little time in national service we would be much better off.
[edit on 19-3-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Sounds good to me...while you are at it, grab up a few brown T-shirts and head on your way. You and your kind should just go ahead and volunteer, whattaya say?




No problem...



I'm also willing to bet that you have never served in the military,



Well, actually I spent 5.5 years in the Navy as an enlisted man.




and there is a 50% chance you are a trust-fund baby who's daddy would just buy his way out, so you have no worries about ever getting your pretty nails dirty.




wow.. wrong again... Born poor, started working at 10, father died when I was 17 and I lived out of a car when I was 19... everything I have is because of my own effort and good fortune along my way in life... believe me it's difficult growing up without a father, especially in your 20's.

I've been broke like 3 times, but now own my own business and run my own life...

So if these assumptions of yours are so off base... what's to say your assumptions on this bill aren't just as off base?

[edit on 19-3-2009 by HunkaHunka]



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by jibeho


I am still trying to figure out how "Amtrak waste disposal" has anything to do with this bill.

[edit on 19-3-2009 by jibeho]



On that we both concur!

:-)



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka


So if these assumptions of yours are so off base... what's to say your assumptions on this bill aren't just as off base?

[edit on 19-3-2009 by HunkaHunka]



Because I, along with many others, refuse to be a slave, and refuse to have my children used as slaves, to better the elite and their selfish goals.

My apologies for sizing you up as typical, never would have figured your belief on this bill to go along with the person you have described yourself with.

The govt doesn't care about you, nor me. They care about themselves.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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No worries...

But the Gov is me... and it is you as well. You can't separate yourself from the gov. Maybe the politicians... or the policy, or even the direction of the nation, but this gov is of the people... which means it's of me... and of you.

L'etat c'est moi!



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
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No worries...

But the Gov is me... and it is you as well. You can't separate yourself from the gov. Maybe the politicians... or the policy, or even the direction of the nation, but this gov is of the people... which means it's of me... and of you.

L'etat c'est moi!


You are correct.... we ARE the state...
Tell me this though, how many people do you know....and then out of those, how many people truly understand how misdirected our (in agreement with you) politicians are, and are willing to do anything different than make sure not to miss American Idol tonight?

I don't have answers, I have worries. I do NOT think this is a good thing for this bill to pass, it opens too many doors, and also , along with the rest of the things that have passed, you put all these bills together, and before long they will get the bright idea to have some govt slackey just move in your house with you, to make sure you are "serving their interests."
I see no end in sight to the downward spiral. I see no attempt to change things by the people. "We the people.." need to get our collective head out of the sand, and if we don't do it quick, we will realize, we are standing in quicksand.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 09:35 AM
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I agree a lot with your points.

1. Both Society and Gov are currently rather hosed.

2. Something caused it, and something needs to be done about it

3. There are two ways to move forward
A. Expand liberties
B. Create a national civil service group.


The problem here and the reason why I support B above currently is because I can't get anyone to sign off on A out of fear.

I believe that expanding our liberties (legalizing drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, etc) is the way to go... But, we are sooo divided today we can agree on hardly anything... So I look to the other option.

So why do I think expansion of liberties is the route? Because a persons sense of responsibility is directly related to their sense of freedom. The more a person feels in control of their life, the more sense of ownership they have over their life, community, and nation.

As I mentioned... this is a problem which WE have let happen by not making our Constitution our highest value... Freedom, Freedom, Freedom which we have constantly dithered on. Everybody want's to be free, but no one wants anyone else to be free... so this is what happens in a nation like this.

I have to laugh though, because those who fear the gays and the potheads and the prostitutes don't even realize they are voting for socialism when they vote conservative on social issues like those.



[edit on 19-3-2009 by HunkaHunka]



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka

3. There are two ways to move forward
A. Expand liberties
B. Create a national civil service group.

There is an option C, but how in the heck are we going to get half the country to go on strike and demand change? Not gonna happen.



The problem here and the reason why I support B above currently is because I can't get anyone to sign off on A out of fear.

I believe that expanding our liberties (legalizing drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, etc) is the way to go... But, we are sooo divided today we can agree on hardly anything... So I look to the other option.

Not talking down to you in the least, but could that possibly be because we are herded towards that option?


So why do I think expansion of liberties is the route? Because a persons sense of responsibility is directly related to their sense of freedom. The more a person feels in control of their life, the more sense of ownership they have over their life, community, and nation.

Agree wholeheartedly


As I mentioned... this is a problem which WE have let happen by not making our Constitution our highest value... Freedom, Freedom, Freedom which we have constantly dithered on. Everybody want's to be free, but no one wants anyone else to be free... so this is what happens in a nation like this.

I have to laugh though, because those who fear the gays and the potheads and the prostitutes don't even realize they are voting for socialism when they vote conservative on social issues like those.
[edit on 19-3-2009 by HunkaHunka]

I agree so much with that last paragraph, both of the last two actually...but the last one makes the most sense, we have been sold as fools. I don't fear anyone except the people who tell me I should be in constant fear.

We are in a sad state, mate. (former USMC here, My Arse Rides In Navy Equipment, Sir)


I'm going to throw another thought into the equation. If we could disconnect religious fanaticism and true spirituality and morality, we'd be far better off as a race. (the HUMAN race)


I don't know what is to come, but I sure do know that we get sold a load of crap, and kept away from a lot of important info. I feel so sorry for the people I meet that think that everything is just "gonna be ok".



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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I think we are on the same page on a lot of things, and I'm proud to have you as a fellow citizen.


Thanks for the honest and frank discussion.




posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Man y'all sound like a bunch of alarmists...

I'm in total support of this bill.

I'm calling my senators today to tell them I want them to pass it.

If EVERYONE spent a little time in national service we would be much better off.


Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.. This is not what the United States was founded for....

It is neither in your power, nor should it be in the power of any government to tell it's citizens what they should do with their free time...

This bill is giving power to something called the Corporation....and whatever the Corporation says goes...

You better wake up before it is too late.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
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No worries...

But the Gov is me... and it is you as well. You can't separate yourself from the gov. Maybe the politicians... or the policy, or even the direction of the nation, but this gov is of the people... which means it's of me... and of you.

L'etat c'est moi!



not when the Corporation through the government has the power to tell the people what to do with their free time...

It is ok if you think people should serve, but who the hell are you, or the Corporation, or the government to dictate what people should do with their free time?....

Mandatory voluntarism is not part of a free country, it is part of a dictatorship.

Then again, you haven't lived in a dictatorship and seen this same thing which is happening in the United States now, happening in the country you were born, bringing death and suffering to the people.



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