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H.R. 1388 To Reauthorize and Reform the National Service Laws.

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posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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Yeah, i'm sure you would be considered unpatriotic and possibly even a threat, tossed into your local FEMA camp and throw away the key. Labeled as a threat to the nation, we could literally be jailed without a fair trial and locked up for an indeterminate length of time.




posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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You're more than welcome!


This is that 'thing' I was worried about way back when the first hints of a 'citizens' service was discussed during campaigning. I felt it in me bones....

The day they come to force my children to work for the State is going to be the devil's own day for those folks!

I can't believe that there are those who actually believed this would be a 'good' thing. No amount of marketing, PR, and propaganda will erase the net result.

And I will seriously be searching for the kind of 'service' THEIR children will be forced to do....



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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This is got to be the same entity that is behind the government and has been screwing the nation with corruption and robbing tax payers money a status.

Now they are coming for us, they want us, to be tagged, chipped and put in a data base with the some purpose to be able to work in America in a near future.

If you are not in the "corporation" data base you will not be able to get a job.

I am sorry but this is starting to sound more sinister the more I read about.



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posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 05:36 PM
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It's come time, to take OUR country back...
I'd rather die on my feet, than on my knees...



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Firstly, let me apologize for not reading the thread, I've been seeing red about this since this afternoon. I expected this to happen after all the hints during the election.

I am frustrated that when I tell people about this, they look at me like I have three heads. That it can't possibly be true.

I am angry that the response range mostly from "oh well" to "it will never pass".

I see the new proposed food laws eliminating organic farmers (which Im not), the new proposed laws regarding eliminating our right to bear arms (which I dont), the new proposed laws regarding the elimination of term limits (I'm not a pol either), and I'm frightened. He sure has done alot of eliminating as an agent of change.

I see the FEMA camps, the boxcars with shackles, the bailout, the AIG nightmare, my new RFID drivers license, banks who have recieved bailout funds willfully and intentionally degrading my credit score (increase rates up to 30%, lower limits so I can't have a good ratio..), and I'm simply mistified.

I'm amazed by the apathetic level of patriotism I've seen, even here. In fact, I'm shocked by it here. Mandatory Service is a fancy name for slavery. Income Tax already enslaves us 25% of the year as it takes most of us until April to pay the taxes.

How can we stand for this ongoing demolition of the Country, of our Liberty, of our freedom.

I speak to friends, co-workers, family, I almost scream my frustration, yet I get more "oh well, what can you do". How can anyone react like that in good conscience, do these people drink too much floridated water?

When can I sign up, where do I sign up, where is the militia headquartered, where is the revolution starting?

Again, please pardon this post if I'm uber-rambly, I'm just scared, frustrated, angry, and feeling alone in it as everyone I speak to about it thinks I'm nuts and tell me..."don't watch so much news".



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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No need to apologize, you are just voicing many of the concerns that a LOT of us here have as well.
I don't know how we're going to change the face of this nation, but our freedoms are surely rapidly dissolving......Plenty of the concerns you've voiced here have been voiced throughout my relatively short time here. I still feel that there are more true patriots in this country than you might think, and if the government wants to implement these kinds of things they are going to be in for one hell of a fight!



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by bismarcksea
Its a small step towards the over all goal of slavery.

I would have ZERO problem with mandatory military conscription between the ages of 18-20. Serve a term of 2 years learning what it is like to defend your country. An entire generation would learn not to take Freedom for granted.

However, mandatory CIVIL service is just plain slavery. I can't stand behind it.


Going to Iraq and killing to meet political ends is how you defend your country.



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 12:59 AM
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It ALREADY started... in California: kinda...

Youth Corps to help keep California green


Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday announced the creation of a youth environmental corps tasked with protecting California's verdant ecology, while training for future employment in the emerging "green economy."

At least 1,000 young Californians in the program, aged 16 to 24, will be paid with funds from President Barack Obama's recently-approved federal stimulus plan, Schwarzenegger said in a statement.


And it's from FEDERAL MONEY. No law, just giving federal money for this...

For now it will be paid and only 1000 people. But still. Imagine that with millions of people policing and harassing everybody 24/7 policing your every action in the name of the environement or something else... with the Obamabots at the helm... the same thing as the SA in Nazi Germany.

[edit on 18-3-2009 by Vitchilo]



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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Check this out, from the Bill:




SEC. 116. FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL CONTRIBUTIONS. `(a) Federal Share- `(1) IN GENERAL- The Federal share of the cost of carrying out a program for which assistance is provided under this part-- `(A) for new grants, may not exceed 80 percent of the total cost for the first year of the grant, 65 percent for the second year, and 50 percent for each remaining year; and `(B) for continuing grants, may not exceed 50 percent of the total cost of the program.


So this seems pretty reasonable - Federal funding tapers off after the program begins. I knew this was too good to be true for such a far-reaching program. I was right. Further down the text:




`(b) Waiver- `(1) IN GENERAL- The Chief Executive Officer may, with respect to any such program for any fiscal year, and upon determination that such action would be equitable due to lack of resources at the local level-- `(A) waive the requirements of subsection (a) in whole or in part; or `(B) allow a recipient to provide the non-Federal contribution required under subsection (a)(2) from funding available pursuant to title I of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C.


So Federal funding could be extended to permanently fund the programs per the CEO's decision!


This keeps the programs firmly in the grasp of the Gov't.

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posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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And yes everybody - they will have uniforms:





SEC. 1508. AUTHORIZED BENEFITS FOR CORPS MEMBERS. Section 158 (42 U.S.C. 12618) is amended-- (1) in subsection (a) by inserting `National' before `Civilian Community Corps'; and (2) in subsection (c)-- (A) in the matter preceding paragraph (1)-- (i) by inserting `National' before `Civilian Community Corps'; and (ii) by inserting before the colon the following: `, as the Director determines appropriate'; (B) in paragraph (6), by striking `Clothing' and inserting `Uniforms'; and (C) in paragraph (7), by striking `Recreational services and supplies' and inserting `Supplies'.


And lets not forget:

“Authorizes the Corporation to treat September 11th annually as a National Day of Service”

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posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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I just took a look at the names of the 37 cosponsors of this little proposal and the list reads like a who's who of the political far left. No Surprise. This whole notion stunk to high heaven when it was first uttered during the campaign and now it would appear that they are wasting no time getting the wheels of this disaster train in motion.

I keep having flashbacks of the video that featured a group of uniformed youth marching and chanting in step to their new leader.

Time to dig in because this will get ugly. With H. Res 250 hitting the books yesterday, this issue will now hit the floor for debate.



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 08:31 AM
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6104(6) - "misc" HR1388



(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.


There is NOTHING reasonable about mandatory service in the United States of America. 13th Amendment anyone? Draft in a time of War is reasonable MILITARY service to protect the Nation - but this crap is where I draw the line.

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posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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It is getting to the point of frustration.

Our country is being transformed slowly into 1930s Germany.

Hitler was a National Socialist (part of the left) but denounced Communism. Still, the programs implemented by Hitler were Socialist, and the same thing is happening in The United States.

These new Youth programs are very similar to what Hitler did to gain more support, and more so from the impressionable youth.

Under this program the CORPORATION is in total control, but these youths will also respond to Obama.

We are getting farther, and farther away from what our forefathers fought so hard for, to not only establish/found this Great Republic, but we are losing every right they bestowed upon us, and we cannot allow this.

We have to send emails to every politician, telling them we do not want The United States of America to become 1930s Germany. We have to make peaceful demonstrations telling them what we want.

Too many people in the United States, and in the world are concentrating on Obama's skin color, instead of on his goals, policies, and programs, which are degrading this country more, and more into something it was never supposed to be.

Remember that under Hitler, Germany also became not only a great power, but for years it strengthened the German economy, and made life better FOR THOSE WHO FOLLOWED THE IDEALS OF HITLER.




The Hitler Jugend (Hitler Youth), the NAZI party's youth movement, indoctrinated German youth to perpetuate the "1,000 year Reich." The Hitler Youth movement emphasized activism, physical training, NAZI ideology, especially nationalism and racial concepts, and absolute obedience to Hitler and the NAZI Party. Indoctrinating children in National Socialist idelogy was a key goal of the NAZI Party. Once Hitler assumed control over the German state, he used the Goverment to make the Hitler Youth the country's all encompasing youth movement. Hitler and other NAZIs leaders saw the indoctrination of young Germans as of critical importance. In the same year that they took power, the NAZIs organized German youth organizations into two branches of the Hitler Youth (Hitler Jugen), one branch for boys and one for girls. Membership was eventually made compulsory and all boys had to report to a neigborhood office to have his racial background checked and be registered for membership. There was then a typically elaborate introduction ceremony on the Füherer's birthday. The Hitler Youth was not just a German version of the Boy Scouts. The Hitler Youth were more similar to the Soviet Young Pioneers, but even with the Pioneers there were major differences. Hitler from the beginning saw the Hitler Youth movement as a tool to hardening boys for their future role of soldiers. He wanted a generation of "victorious active, daring youth, imune to pain." There was to be no "intelectual" training for the boys of the New Order, he saw intelectual pursuits as damaging to German youth. The NAZIs used the Hitler Jugend to educate German Youth " in the spirit of National Socialism " and subjected them to an intensive programme of Nazi propaganda. The NAZIs established the Hitler Jugend as a source of replacements for the Nazi Party formations. The Hitler Youth leadership in October, 1938 entered into an agreement with Himmler under which members of the Hitler Jugend who met SS standards would be considered as the primary source of recruitment for the SS. The NAZIs also used the Hitler Jugend for pre-military training. Special units were set up whose primary purpose was training specialists for the various military branches. HNC has compiled the following information on the Hitler Youth movement and the uniforms the boys wore.


histclo.com...


[edit on 18-3-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by jibeho
I just took a look at the names of the 37 cosponsors of this little proposal and the list reads like a who's who of the political far left. No Surprise. This whole notion stunk to high heaven when it was first uttered during the campaign and now it would appear that they are wasting no time getting the wheels of this disaster train in motion.

I keep having flashbacks of the video that featured a group of uniformed youth marching and chanting in step to their new leader.

Time to dig in because this will get ugly. With H. Res 250 hitting the books yesterday, this issue will now hit the floor for debate.


Yes it does doesn't it? And now that we have a Democrat mayority House, a Democrat Mayority Congress, and a whatever party President Obama is, claiming to be Democrat, it goes against the tenets that the forefathers of the Republic guaranteed for all Americans even into the future.

We are not a Democracy, and should never be since in a Democracy 51% of the people can ban the rights of the other 49% of the people.

Only in a Representative Republic is every American, and legal resident guaranteed the rights given by our forefathers, and right now we have an administration that goes against everything that this Republic means, and should be.

I DO NOT condone violence unless it is to defend yourself, your family or some innocent person, or people. But the right to decide what you want to do with your free time, the right to own, and bear arms are, and ALWAYS should be guaranteed, alongside many other rights, to every American, and legal resident in this Great Republic.


Mandatory Community service should never be part of this Republic. We don't need a new Declaration of Independence. We don't need a new Bills of Rights.

What we need is to uphold, and defend the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights alongside every tenet in which this Great Republic was founded on by our forefathers, who fought so long, and hard to guarante for future generations.



[edited to calrify statements]

[edit on 18-3-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by bismarcksea
Its a small step towards the over all goal of slavery.

I would have ZERO problem with mandatory military conscription between the ages of 18-20. Serve a term of 2 years learning what it is like to defend your country. An entire generation would learn not to take Freedom for granted.

However, mandatory CIVIL service is just plain slavery. I can't stand behind it.


You may have no problem with this, but for those who absolutely do not believe in militia and who would never allow themselves or their family to ever encounter this military machine because they consider this to be evil incoporated, and their are many who feel very strongly about this, you don't have any rights or jurisdiction over them, you are not their boss. If 99/100 feels like you, you still are not the boss, and do not own, and may not make that 1/100 do anything you think is right or fair. You can expect them not to murder anyone, or rob a bank, or speed, but you can't put a ring their nose and lead them around.

I would never allow anyone that privilege over my family and would perform citizens arrest with force if necessary if anyone arrived to enslave my children in their credos.



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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What is also disturbing are the target "volunteers" for the service. They want 50% plus minorities. Think how effective a group of minority illegals would be promoting the "Corporation's" agenda. What would they care about the general population?

I still can't believe the language in this bill - is this really America???

"The Corporation"
"Service"
"NCCC"
"Campus"

Also guys don't forget about Senate Bill S277 as well - equally disturbing. They go hand-in-hand.



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posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by mystiq

You may have no problem with this, but for those who absolutely do not believe in militia and who would never allow themselves or their family to ever encounter this military machine because they consider this to be evil incoporated, and their are many who feel very strongly about this, you don't have any rights or jurisdiction over them, you are not their boss. If 99/100 feels like you, you still are not the boss, and do not own, and may not make that 1/100 do anything you think is right or fair. You can expect them not to murder anyone, or rob a bank, or speed, but you can't put a ring their nose and lead them around.

I would never allow anyone that privilege over my family and would perform citizens arrest with force if necessary if anyone arrived to enslave my children in their credos.


This is something that many Americans unfortunately do not understand.

WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY. despite the Media, presidents, and many politicians claiming we are.

The more confused people are about our Great Republic, and what a Republic is, versus a Democracy, other forms of governments, and political ideologies, the easiest it is for TPTB to install programs, and reforms that are meant to forever change our Great Republic, and enslave the people.



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by ACEMANN
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I still can't believe the language in this bill - is this really America???

"The Corporation"
"Service"
"NCCC"
"Campus"

Also guys don't forget about Senate Bill S277 as well - equally disturbing. They go hand-in-hand.

[edit on 18-3-2009 by ACEMANN]



Don't forget REQUIRED Service.

There are many addendums that use the phrase "Required Service" within the pages of this bill.

This bill was written in a way that might look to some people as there being some good changes, but in reality there are phrases hidden in plain sight that clearly state there will be a Required Service, alongside Voluntary service... Meaning those who don't volunter will be REQUIRED to volunteer... Alongside the fact that the CORPORATION will be in total control of the Required and Volunteer Services alongside the "learn-based" services which equals indoctrination of the youth and even adults.



[edit on 18-3-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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THEY ALREADY VOTED ON THIS BILL, AND PASSED IT WITH 74% AYE....



Introduced Voted on by House Voted on by Senate Considered By President Bill Becomes Law
March 09, 2009

Latest Vote
March 18, 2009Roll call number 140 in the House
Question: On Passage: H R 1388 Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act
Required percentage of 'Aye' votes: 1/2 (50%) Percentage of 'aye' votes: 74% Result: Passed


www.opencongress.org...

Notice that the assholes even changed the name of the bill to " H R 1388 Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act"...yet when you click on that same site to look at the bill it gives the original name of the bill... "Text of H.R.1388 as Reported in House
GIVE Act
To reauthorize and reform the national service laws."...

www.opencongress.org...

So we have now a full fledge Dictatorship in the United States..... This is making me want to throw up.



posted on Mar, 19 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
THEY ALREADY VOTED ON THIS BILL, AND PASSED IT WITH 74% AYE....



Introduced Voted on by House Voted on by Senate Considered By President Bill Becomes Law
March 09, 2009

Latest Vote
March 18, 2009Roll call number 140 in the House
Question: On Passage: H R 1388 Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act
Required percentage of 'Aye' votes: 1/2 (50%) Percentage of 'aye' votes: 74% Result: Passed


www.opencongress.org...

Notice that the assholes even changed the name of the bill to " H R 1388 Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act"...yet when you click on that same site to look at the bill it gives the original name of the bill... "Text of H.R.1388 as Reported in House
GIVE Act
To reauthorize and reform the national service laws."...

www.opencongress.org...

So we have now a full fledge Dictatorship in the United States..... This is making me want to throw up.






THis is certainly alarming. It should probably sail through the Senate. Much to my chagrin. I heard a brief mention of this last night on PBS news with Jim Leherer. I could swear he was referring to this bill as an Americorps renewal type bill. He certainly didn't refer to the verbiage in HR 1388. Maybe there was another bill. Regardless, he was very vague.



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