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American Legion Strongly Opposes President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment

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posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by mf_luder
reply to post by jimmyx
 


Out of the three things you just said, the only one I can verify at this time is the fact that yes, he is pulling troops out of Iraq.


As far as I know, Hussein Obama has "promised" to bring troops back. I don't know of any yet who constitute a RIF rather than a rotation.

A "pledge" of funding is worth about the paper it is written on as far as BHO is concerned.

Same for "family benefits."

I've yet to see Obama DO something for our soldiers and sailors.

Am I missing something?

jw




posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58

It doesn't matter if they will have to dip into their own pockets or not. The amount of money that this will raise is paltry, and even ASKING them to reimburse the VA for their treatment is pathetic and ridiculous. These soldiers are risking everything for their country, and even ASKING them to do this is an insult.



I stand by that statement. It doesn't matter if they have to pay for the treatment or not. Even passing ANY bill on to their private insurance for reimbursement is a slap in the face to these soldiers. They have been given treatment at the VA with no reimbursement asked of any insurance company. If they were going to bill retirees or soldiers who were just sick that would be one thing. But these soldiers are the ones who were wounded, and there should be nothing going to any of their private insurance companies.

You say that it won't affect their rates, and they don't have to pay anything. How do you know the insurance companies won't raise their rates? The company is going to have to pay, and they'll want to get their money back from SOMEONE.

[edit on 3/17/2009 by Zaphod58]



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by mf_luder
reply to post by jimmyx
 


Oh for the love of God.......

Can you PLEASE show me where I said "Democrats are screwing the Soldiers"?

Please?

Just once?

For me?


what? i never said that about you...but there are republicans that IMPLY that and i have seen them all over ATS...jesus, we're all americans and that is how we should think of each other



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:32 AM
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Then why don't you start?



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
...realize that Obama's main health plan adresses these concerns and makes them a moot point.


What "plan?" Describe for me, please, the terms of this plan that cover soldiers' costs.

I know of several of Obama's "plans," "pledges," and "promises" and have yet to see a single one delivered as promised.

This is one I HOPE he reneges on!

Re-post your reply when this actually occurs and I'll apologize for this thread. Until his 'health care program' pays the first cent for a soldier, your reply is wishful thinking at best, dishonest at worst.

jw

[edit on 17-3-2009 by jdub297]



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by disgustedbyhumanity
 


It doesn't matter if they will have to dip into their own pockets or not. The amount of money that this will raise is paltry, and even ASKING them to reimburse the VA for their treatment is pathetic and ridiculous. These soldiers are risking everything for their country, and even ASKING them to do this is an insult.


Nor does it make sense. Why should one government-funded health care program have to seek reimbursement from another?

Would there even be a need for a VA?

Until Obama actually enacts one (remember Clinton's? Where is it?), thank God for the VA, as pitiful as it is.

jw



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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this proposal to charge soldiers insurance companys more for their combat related injuries is dead as far as the DEMOCRATIC congress is concerned.

read this from the STARS & STRIPES article

The VA already taps "third party" insurance plans for treatment of non-service-related conditions. Collections in fiscal 2008 totaled $2.4 billion. The VA expects to collect $2.5 billion this year. The total could jump to $3 billion next year if care of service-connected conditions are included.

Shinseki emphasized that this is only a consideration and not yet part of Obama’s budget request. But members of the veterans’ committees wanted Shinseki to know they won’t support the proposal.

"Veterans with service-connected injuries have already paid by putting their lives on the line. … We should take care of those injuries completely," said Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash.

Though she recognized that no formal proposal had yet reached Congress, Murray told Shinseki, "I can assure you it will be dead on arrival if it lands here."

Shinseki said the issue is solely about financing, and not about continuing to deliver superior care.

"That is not discussable," Shinseki said.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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HAVE ANY OF YOU READ YOUR INSURANCE POLICIES??? THEY DON'T COVER YOU FOR ACTS OF WAR! HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK WITH HIS HIGHNESSES PLAN???

Complete idiocy and ignorance by this administration and no research done by their minions! No insurance company is going to get their actuaries to total the risk and premiums involved in this foolish, risky plan!
Zindo

[edit on 3/17/2009 by ZindoDoone]



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
...i don't know any democrat that DOES NOT support the constitution

Except for Barack Obama, if you've read his books and believe what he says in them.


... every one of my friends have guns and know how to use them and we all support the second amendement.

Have you told that to BHO and Eric Holder, who want to limit your access to firearms?


we have alot of enemies that would love to come and take over our land, and i for one will not go for it


Does this include the sponsors of the "Food Safety Act", who want to eliminate small farmers and private food growers?

Your Democrat "friends" in the White House are doing this, and more.

It really doesn't matter what label you put on these people- liberal, Democrat, progressive- if you judge them by their ACTIONS.

jw



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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As it should be. This plan should go away, quietly, or loudly, it should just go away. Reimbursing for NON-service related injuries and illnesses is one thing. I realize that the VA does this, and that it is put back into the VA. I have no problem with that. But service related injuries and illnesses are something completely different.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:54 AM
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In thelink I posted above it clearly says that the VA recieved over $2 billion from private insurance companies last year. So you are wrong. I don't think any vet takes it as an insult. They just care that they get the care they need. And under the old or proposed rules that will not change and it will not mean a penny out of any soldiers wallet.

Soldiers do not need protection in this debate as they are not being harmed or discriminated against in any way by Obama proposal. For the record I am not for or against this proposal, but I can't stand for you people to infer things that are not true in order to make your points.

Is not one of you human enough to admit that you read this wrong and that this is not a proposal against america's soldiers? This proposal will have no effect on the finances or health care that veterans recieve. It is between the insurance companies and the VA.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:56 AM
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I think those people who are getting screwed by Barack Hussein need to go march on Washington. THAT makes me angry.

It's looking like the 30s... depression and vets being screwed...



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by mf_luder
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Then why don't you start?


start what? you know...your going to believe that obama and the democrats are against the soldiers and the military, no matter what i say.
the military families will be helped, and you will have to hear it from them personally before you believe it. and that's where i'm going to leave it, i'm done.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
Is not one of you human enough to admit that you read this wrong and that this is not a proposal against america's soldiers?


I will accept the opinions of the Commander of the American Legion and the ten other veterans' representatives (who met with Obama and Emmanuel and the Veterans' Affairs Director) when they say that this is not "moral," "disgusting and an outrage."

Go back and read the title of this thread. Better yet, read the link; that's why it's there, I think.

I care nothing for any insurance company, they are the root of all our health care funding problems.

Deny Ignorance!

jw



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:11 AM
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Don't you understand that by forcing insurance companies to reimburse the VA, that all our health care premiums will be raised to such a level that it will force the system to fail and that will in turn force us to accept socialized medicine?



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by mf_luder
reply to post by jdub297
 


Not surprised to see no replies to this yet.

Come on ATS.

Where are you now?

Can't give 5 million stars and 1555 flags to this one because this doesn't fit in with your "the military is evil" mindset?

Can we really let this happen?

Yeah.

The great change of the nation.

Obama.

God I hope the Zombies show up soon.


well here's an article about how much the republicans cared about veterans in 2005

www.politicalaffairs.net...




good job posting from a socialist/marxist website that pretty much denies truth to news.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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For NON-SERVICE RELATED TREATMENT. I have no problem with that. Service related treatment should not be billed to any insurance company or to anyone.

If this is no big deal why is the American Legion so against it?

[edit on 3/17/2009 by Zaphod58]



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:28 AM
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I heard about it yesterday. Its disgusting and insulting that they'd even consider it. Our military veterans shouldn't be expected to pay a dime of their combat-related medical bills. That includes paying insurance premiums.

Obama is trying to pull an end-around by forcing it through private insurance, but anyone with any common sense realizes what will happen: insurance premiums, either on the soldiers themselves or for everyone else will skyrocket. And that's just wonderful, considering how broken the insurance system in this country already is.

I think someone else was onto something. This is probably part of an agenda to drive up insurance premiums even further and have the public screaming for socialized medicine.

[edit on 17-3-2009 by vor78]



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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Don't you realize that if private insurers don't pay then we pay with taxes. We pay both ways.

As for socialized health care, I would prefer that, rather than be gouged by doctors and insurance companies. But on that point , I just want to make it clear that Obama's health care plan is not socialized medicine. The health care you recieve will still be provided by the same doctors, hmo's, etc you use now. Only difference is the goverment will control payments to make sure that we are not getting gouged and recieve the treatment we deserve. By including a large class of insured then health care premiums will fall. Everyone will have the right to opt out and pay for whatever type of health care they choose.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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I have just a bit of skepticism on this whole thing. There have been numerous proposals attributed to Obama that are nowhere close to what the real proposal is. If this proposal actually is what the OP and others on the thread have said I'm surprised t the point of shock that the Republicans aren't all over the media about it. I mean, this is paydirt for Obama detractors. The motherlode. They could paint him anti-American, un-Patriotic the whole ball-of-wax with this. But they aren't. I have to wonder why? They've certainly tried with everything else that has come out of the Whitehouse.



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