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reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:38 AM by jimmyx

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Funding for veterans benefits has accelerated in the Bush administration, as seen in the following table.

www.factcheck.org...

not as much as the democrats wanted, as your own article pointed out...and you know why...because of IRAQ!!!

and benefits accelerated 25% as you pointed out, but it was because CLINTON DIDN'T HAVE 150 THOUSAND TROOPS IN AFGANISTAN AND IRAQ.

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:40 AM by Zaphod58

I'm sending this out to my parents (my father is retired Air Force, and so are many of their friends), friends that I know from where I used to live that deal with the military. I want to spread this as far and wide as I can to the people this could affect.

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:40 AM by jdub297

Originally posted by jimmyx
well your wrong and here it is

www.cnn.com...

You've got be kidding? An Obama "pledge?" Where have you been; his 'pledges' mean Nothing! Even if he was sincere, what good is additional "psych care" when the vet has to PAY FOR IT HIMSELF?
This is BHO's plan to create more jobs for some of his elite friends at soldiers' expense!

and here is what the republicans were trying to do in 2005...you know with NO DEMOCRATIC CONTROL OF THE CONGRESS OR WHITEHOUSE!!!!

www.politicalaffairs.net...

A blog by Joel Wendland from the home of "Marxist Thought Online"?

VA budget issues involve matters that are not necessarily connected to the "subject" of the funding. Disagreements over a Democrat's amendment to the 2005 budget have nothing to do with soldiers' welfare. They are political moves in a division of resources.

I hope you need a soldier some day, and show him your sources of information and loyalties.

You've cited a lying socialist's "pledge" and a Marxist's critique of a budget debate.

I can't even see the use of responding to this further.

deny ignorance

jw

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reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:40 AM by mf_luder

reply to post by jimmyx

Well bully for them and you.

Did I say anything about Democrats or Republicans?!??!?

Oh.

I mentioned Obama. I'm sorry. Forgot that's borderline sacrilege these days. I don't give two craps about political parties - - at all. Or your little videos or articles. If you screw over me and my bretheren.....

Pray to whatever Gods you believe in.

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:42 AM by Zaphod58

reply to post by jimmyx

It's one thing to block funding for the VA. This is beyond ridiculous. You DO NOT ask someone to go out and risk their life, and then tell them "Oh by the way, if you get hurt your insurance has to pay us back to treat you." These people are giving everything for us, and they have the right to be taken care of when they get hurt.

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:43 AM by mf_luder

reply to post by Stormdancer777

...heh....heh....heh

One can only hope.....

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:44 AM by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by mf_luder
reply to post by Stormdancer777

...heh....heh....heh

One can only hope.....

Yea, you get my drift.

I cannot imagine our military putting up with this crap.

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reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:46 AM by mf_luder

reply to post by Zaphod58

Exactly, regardless of whether people like you (Jimmyx) agree with the war or not.

If the government sends us to war they have to pay for our injuries. End of story.

If you have anything further to argue about that point, I can't really honestly say I trust in your intelligence. Secondly, LOL I'm sorry, but I don't care what you do back in the states, but I don't want to hear that "Oh, well - we don't get government health care at my job - why should they?" Yeah - like going to work and serving french fries is oh so dangerous. Give me a break.

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:49 AM by jimmyx

Originally posted by mf_luder
reply to post by jdub297

My response did?

Whoa, slow down there hoss.

I'm IN THE MILITARY!!!!

I'm sick of seeing the responses some of those "youtube educated kids" on here. That's why I said what I did.

I think those people who are getting screwed by Barack Hussein need to go march on Washington. THAT makes me angry.

[edit on 17-3-2009 by mf_luder]

ok... your in the military, why don't you come out and say that obamas is providing help for the families of the military back home, and he is pulling troops out of iraq, and he is putting an additional 25 billion dollars into the veterans affairs administration over the next five years.

why is it so hard for people to think that democrats want to help the soldiers?

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:52 AM by jimmyx

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by jimmyx

It's one thing to block funding for the VA. This is beyond ridiculous. You DO NOT ask someone to go out and risk their life, and then tell them "Oh by the way, if you get hurt your insurance has to pay us back to treat you." These people are giving everything for us, and they have the right to be taken care of when they get hurt.

where does it say ANYWHERE that obama is blocking funding for the VA???

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:52 AM by Zaphod58

Originally posted by jimmyx
ok... your in the military, why don't you come out and say that obamas is providing help for the families of the military back home, and he is pulling troops out of iraq, and he is putting an additional 25 billion dollars into the veterans affairs administration over the next five years.

why is it so hard for people to think that democrats want to help the soldiers?

Help them by billing them for treatment? How is taking away insurance going to help them?? Obama had the gall to say the things he did yesterday, and then turn around and do this?

I know veterans that have to get their meds from the VA because they can't afford the same meds through their own insurance. This is going to drive their premiums through the roof, and the first time they refuse to pay the claim and get away with it, they've just screwed that poor soldier who got injured serving his country.

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:54 AM by Zaphod58

Originally posted by jimmyx
where does it say ANYWHERE that obama is blocking funding for the VA???

Do you even read the things that you link to or say? ONE PAGE AGO you said

why don't you go and look to my 2 above posts, AND YOU'LL GET THE BIG PICTURE!! REPUBLICANS didn't want to fund the veterans admin....and BLOCKED DEMOCRATS FROM TRYING TO!!!

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:55 AM by mf_luder

reply to post by jimmyx

Out of the three things you just said, the only one I can verify at this time is the fact that yes, he is pulling troops out of Iraq.

As for your other statements, I need to go research that myself.

As far as the fact you're so hell bent on turning this into a political argument - have fun w/ that. My political views are Totalitarian, not Republican or Democrat. Your sad little two party system creates WAY TOO MUCH DRAMA for my tastes. Listening to your "Educated Party Members" - especially from the Democratic side... just saying... makes me sick. It's like watching high schoolers whine about getting a seat in the cafeteria at lunch - from BOTH parties. The only reason I even voted this last election was so there would be one in AGAINST the current President. The fact that my contract swears me to defend the constitution is about the only thing keeping me in the Army. If that document gets perverted or changed so radically as to alter fundamental rights (ie - the right to bear arms) - heh. Good bye.

I could care less whether Obama was A) Republican B) Democrat C) A Purple Bag of Cat Legs - If he's going to screw over the veterans of wars - 2 year of which I SERVED IN by forcing them/us to pay for our treatments ourselves?!???!!?! I don't care if he pulls every soldier out of every country in the world and brings them back to the states. That is utterly ridiculous.

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reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 09:55 AM by disgustedbyhumanity

Originally posted by Zaphod58
This makes me so angry that I can barely type. What's going to happen if the soldier doesn't have personal insurance, and is relying on the VA for treatment? Are they going to bill him and force him to reimburse them? Whats going to happen if the insurance company decides that they don't want to pay for the treatment? Are we going to have HMOs for soldiers and let THEM decide what their treatment plan will be?

This is the most disgusting thing I've seen a sitting president try towards our veterans ever.

[edit on 3/17/2009 by Zaphod58]

Let's get this clear. No soldier is going to have to pay for his own health care. The VA will treat all soldiers completely. However if the soldier also carries private health insurance the VA wants reimbursement from the private healthcare orginization.

Before you start in with family maximums and rising premiums because of claims, realize that Obama's main health plan adresses these concerns and makes them a moot point. Doctors collect co-pays, not insurance companies. The V.A.does not require deductibles to be poaidto get treatment.

The whole discussion here is intellectually dishonest, as not one soldier will have to dip into his pocket under this plan. All soldiers will be fully treated. It effects only two parties- The V.A. and Health care providers. Any argument otherwise is dishonest and shallow.

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 10:01 AM by Zaphod58

reply to post by disgustedbyhumanity

It doesn't matter if they will have to dip into their own pockets or not. The amount of money that this will raise is paltry, and even ASKING them to reimburse the VA for their treatment is pathetic and ridiculous. These soldiers are risking everything for their country, and even ASKING them to do this is an insult.

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 10:08 AM by jimmyx

Originally posted by mf_luder
reply to post by Zaphod58

Exactly, regardless of whether people like you (Jimmyx) agree with the war or not.

If the government sends us to war they have to pay for our injuries. End of story.

If you have anything further to argue about that point, I can't really honestly say I trust in your intelligence. Secondly, LOL I'm sorry, but I don't care what you do back in the states, but I don't want to hear that "Oh, well - we don't get government health care at my job - why should they?" Yeah - like going to work and serving french fries is oh so dangerous. Give me a break.

i have paid for my own health care for the last 20 odd years, and i have never taken a dime for welfare, or disablilty, all i done is pay taxes, so i don't know who you are trying to associate me with. you know...there are MILLIONS of patriotic democrats, who thank the soldiers in harms way for their service, but apparently every republican tries to paint us as being communist, hippy, un-american, anti-war radicals. and i think deep down soldiers know that...well i at least hope they do...i don't know any democrat that DOES NOT support the constitution and every one of my friends have guns and know how to use them and we all support the second amendement.

christ...there might come a time where i have to get my old ass out there to defend our own soil. we have alot of enemies that would love to come and take over our land, and i for one will not go for it. and frankly, at that point i wouldn't care what side of the political fence you sit on.

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reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 10:12 AM by mf_luder

reply to post by jimmyx

Oh for the love of God.......

Can you PLEASE show me where I said "Democrats are screwing the Soldiers"?

Please?

Just once?

For me?

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 10:16 AM by jdub297

Originally posted by jimmyx
where does it say ANYWHERE that obama is blocking funding for the VA???

You just don't get it, do you? Z58 was referring to the Marxists blog you cited about the 2005 Dem. amendment to the drafted budget.

Doesn't change the fact that Hussein Obama has yet to live up yo a single"pledge" of his. Increased funding of the VA goes to the staff and bureacracy, not to the vets themselves.

He may hire a bunch of orderlies and psychs to work there, but anything they provide to the vet, he has to pay for.

What if insco decides psych care wasn't "reasonable and appropriate?" (insco language for 'necessary')

Or if charges passed on to the vet were not "usual and customary?" (more insco lingo)

Will YOU pay for it? His widow, orphans, siblings?

Have you been tending your "largest cash crop" or studying another Marxist blog?

How can you defend this policy?

Give me one justification for sending a soldier to get maimed, then asking him to pay for it.

(yes he has insurance, but do you think it's free? Do you think his carrier will LOWER his premiums? Do you think a soldier will even be able to BUY insurance? Would YOU insure a soldier?)

This policy is part of YOUR president's socialist, anti-American agenda.

Many people saw something like this coming way before Nov. 2008 (I sure didn't expect it'd be this bad). Those who refused or couldn't voted Democrat.

Deny Ignorance.

jw

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 10:16 AM by disgustedbyhumanity

reply to post by Zaphod58

You are missing the points. FOR THE LAST TIME, NOONE IS ASKING THE SOLDIERS TO PAY OUT OF THEIR POCKET FOR ANYTHING. NOR ARE THEY DENYING THEM ANY HEALTH CARE! Nothing! Put your rage behind you and get to the facts. They simply want the private insurers to reimburse the VA. I am not sure I agree with that, but this is not an act against soldiers like 99% of you are portraying. That needs to be clear. If you keep arguing this point you are not being honest.

Deny Ignorance folks. That's all I ask.

reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 10:20 AM by disgustedbyhumanity

Obama increases VA Spending

Obama’s VA budget outline, with full details promised by late April, would raise VA spending to $112.8 billion in the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1. That’s an increase of $15 billion, or 15 percent, over the current budget.

Just to show you how out of touch most of you are.

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