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Our Founding Fathers have already told us how to solve our problems

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posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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You tell us where to start, Reasonably, and if it is legal, and not violent,
we may be on to something.
Could you imagine if the founding fathers had cel phones and internet?




posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 09:27 AM
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This is an interesting topic. I have written to Noory (c2c) about this and I believe he has read most of my posts.

I feel that there will be a great diaspora, or dispersion of the population. It is speculated that if some unspeakable natural or man made disaster occurs that some of the big ET ships will evacuate as many as possible.

This probably destroys my credibility entirely. But, what real use are mile long space craft other than for a mass evacuation.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by guinnessford
reply to post by Verd_Vhett
 


You tell us where to start, Reasonably, and if it is legal, and not violent,
we may be on to something.
Could you imagine if the founding fathers had cel phones and internet?


first through orginzation and Education, ATS is a great site however alot of the topics discused here overshadow this issue, people focus on the out there conspirasies and look at us as Nuts. Perhaps a Law suite using the DOI as ratinal for restructuring the goverment! Of coarse this can not be started with Vilolance but that is how it will end, because those in power will not give it up!



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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I agree, there is alot of fingerpointing, as to who did what.
Not much in the line of"heres what we should do" posts, to my knowledge.
"If there a new way, ill be the first in line"
Megadeth



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by guinnessford
reply to post by Verd_Vhett
 


I agree, there is alot of fingerpointing, as to who did what.
Not much in the line of"heres what we should do" posts, to my knowledge.
"If there a new way, ill be the first in line"
Megadeth


The scum that runs this country is like a cancer that has spread to every part of the body. A remedy will not be easy to find.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:03 AM
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very scary and true, i my self dont work, and im intirely self dependent, funny how the governments sevices and organizations react to this. infact they wont leave alone.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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Yeah that's all great and all, but how do we throw out all the current crooks and start over? You apply for this or that and you will get denied. You do anything against the norm and you will be labeled a terrorist and if that happens, your life is over. If you try by force, well, I'm sure you know the outcome.

One of the only ways is like in the movie V for Vendetta --EVERYONE marches onto the Capitol. They can't shoot everyone.

It would take one charismatic leader to organize the masses to the Capitol.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:10 AM
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Not only have we been told how to fix the problem, but many greats throughout history have warned us not to let ourselves get to this point in the first place

1. In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress. -- John Adams

2. If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed. -- Mark Twain

3. Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But then I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain

4. I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle . -- Winston Churchill

5. A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw

6. A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. -- G. Gordon Liddy

7. Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. -- James Bovard, Civil Libertarian

8. Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries. -- Douglas Casey, Classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown University

9. Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

10. Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors
to live at the expense of everybody else. -- Frederic Bastiat, French Economist

11. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it.If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. -- Ronald Reagan

12. I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. -- Will Rogers

13. If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J. O'Rourke

14. In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. -- Voltaire

15. Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -- Pericles

16. No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain

17. Talk is cheap...except when Congress does it. -- Anonymous

18. The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a happy
appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other. -- Ronald Reagan

19. The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill

20. The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin. -- Mark Twain

21. The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher

22. There is no distinctly native American criminal class...save Congress. -- Mark Twain

23. What this country needs are more unemployed politicians. -- Edward
Langley, Artist

24. A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -- Thomas Jefferson

And one of my favorite - just before the fall of Rome

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." -- Cicero - 55 BC



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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Unfortunately the government has become too big and too powerful.
The "governed" can no longer save the day with a few muskets.

We are all slaves working to gas up the government. Tax money is the "oil" that fuels the machine we call government. Stop working and purchasing things and you will cut off the enemies oil (taxes) and the government will fall. 10% are not working right now. 90% left to go.


Capitalism and the monetary system has to go because it fosters greed, government waste, pollution, and makes the majority slaves, while a few get rich.

"Every man for himself" and the "Dog Eat Dog" ideology is archaic.

IMHO.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by son of PC
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This is an interesting topic. I have written to Noory (c2c) about this and I believe he has read most of my posts.

I feel that there will be a great diaspora, or dispersion of the population. It is speculated that if some unspeakable natural or man made disaster occurs that some of the big ET ships will evacuate as many as possible.

This probably destroys my credibility entirely. But, what real use are mile long space craft other than for a mass evacuation.



Who cares about credibility, when we are already experiencing mounting apocaliptic threats and events. Mass UFO sightings, underground facilities for the rich who are grabbing everything they can, I even saw pigeons violently gang raping a fellow pigeon with a broken paw/leg.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;



Consider this line of the text as well.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by OneNationUnder
Yeah that's all great and all, but how do we throw out all the current crooks and start over? You apply for this or that and you will get denied. You do anything against the norm and you will be labeled a terrorist and if that happens, your life is over. If you try by force, well, I'm sure you know the outcome.

One of the only ways is like in the movie V for Vendetta --EVERYONE marches onto the Capitol. They can't shoot everyone.

It would take one charismatic leader to organize the masses to the Capitol.



This I would love to see but I doubt that it would acomplish much, we would meet resistence in the form of armed solders and they only need to shoot 1 to scare the rest of us, lelading to a riot and ML! Remember we have the rights to assemble Peacfully but you still need the required permits to do so, the government would never allwow us to march right up to the white house and even so what do we do then? shout with bull horns at a man was swept away hours before our arival?


Originally posted by spec2



Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;



Consider this line of the text as well.


THis is neither a Light or tranient Cause, Our government is like a baby pit bull that has grown to an adult, and is starting to bite its master! Not only this but now it is breading and having pups that have grown and are begining to bite their master.

Our government is spending us in to Oblivion, soon the pursuite of happiness will not be availible to the majority! our country is being consumed by greed from the top down not the down up, the average American is not greedy!

Here is my idea of Happiness, to have a roof over my head, to be able to save for my future that is all i want. However we have watched as wall street has swideled away Americans Savings and our government has done nothing to stop this, and these criminals have reseived no repurcusions for these crimes! Why? because they are one and the same!

This is exactly what the DOI says the government is no longer proving us with our rights to safty and happiness!



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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The very fact we are even having this conversation proves we have not yet reached the point envisioned with the Declaration of Independence...


But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 12:12 PM
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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Most important part of any writing in our country.


We are allowed to take back the government. If they protest we have the right to take it back by any means. It says so right there........

Enough said really...

Try and deny that you close minded people on this site. just try.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 12:43 PM
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To take it back you need to have a system of government to replace it. The plan must unify the people and be well thought out, otherwise you will have multiple special interest groups fighting amongst each other, and get nowhere.....which is where we are at right now and I don't see any way out.

Grin and bear it, because our divisions are too engrained in our minds to ever achieve the degree of unity required for this type of take over.



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