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Originally posted by Dr Love
Please stay on topic and not other members. Thanks for your support.
Peace
Originally posted by Noccy
... in order to come to any conclusion on any topic there has to be a certain level of skepticism. From reading the posts on the forums here I am inclined to believe that for the most part we are dealing with a very intelligent group of people here and not one person here believes everything they see and read. Obviously most of you do not buy into the MSM and the information they deliver to the masses so for the most part each and every one of us is a skeptic to a certain degree.
Now when it comes to topics of the supernatural, extra terrestrial and other controversial topics I too am what you would call a skeptic. I do not personally require cold hard proof but I do require mutliple sources for me to draw my own conclusions. Do I belive that there is other intelligent lifeforms in the galaxy? Yes. Do I believe they have visited earth? No. Do I believe our government is corrupt? Absolutely! Do I think there is a specific target group that controls the actions of the world leaders? Unlikely
Why do I base my opinions they way I do, because I want proof and it doesn't have to be 100% but basically enough for me to draw my own conclusions. I think there are a few people here that are very paranoid and that every move by the world governments are for some type of world domination plot. But these same people are skeptical of what the governments motives are. Folks lets face facts we are all skeptics in our own way whether it be about UFO's and ET's or our world governments.
It is an attempt to marginalize every skeptic by redefining who is a skeptic and what a skeptic is allowed to do. It seeks to rob all skeptics of the ability to have opinions or draw conclusions by declaring that only believers have that luxury or right. In fact, they redefine the believers as the "true" skeptics, allowing them to dismiss anyone who holds an opposing viewpoint as a "false" skeptic. Instead of focusing on the argument, they focus on the person making it.
What I see in this and other similar threads is just attempts to mass label with negative monikers.
pseudoskeptics? I think they exist. I think there are people engaging in that practice here at ATS, yes.
But, I also think there are tactical believers that do the same thing, only in the opposite direction.
Originally posted by WitnessFromAfar
Please, just click the link. It's not that hard. You make yourself look extremely foolish by asking if I've studied the case.
It's the link in my signature. Do yourself a favor and give it a read.
-WFA
Originally posted by mmiichaelIf there are aliens among us why are the seekers so concerned about the skeptics? Is there some insecurity?
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
reply to post by Malcram
Therefore some feel that the influence of bogus skepticism delays disclosure. They also feel that bogus skepticism is inherently illogical, springs from bias and is scientifically unsound.
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What on earth are you talking about? If we all carried your ideas we would still be living in caves and believing the earth is flat! The only way to get to the truth is by debate, both sides producing evidence and eventually one or the other side of the argument winning out. It seems to me what you want to do is ignore the opposing views and force everyone to simply believe without giving them anything tangible to hang there beliefs on.
Aliens may be coming here in flying saucers but there is little, if any, evidence to suggest this. However there is more than enough evidence to suggest that there are craft of unknown origin flying about in our skies. I want to know who is flying them as much as you. Unfortunately I don't think it's an alien intelligence more likely an intelligence agency. . !
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
But Isn't that also down to personal bias? What constitutes good evidence to you may be utter rubbish to me.
Originally posted by Malcram
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
But Isn't that also down to personal bias? What constitutes good evidence to you may be utter rubbish to me.
Which is why members like WFA keep promoting the scientific method. The scientific community, despite their disagreements, has a set procedure of rules to follow which leads to conclusions, based on evidence. If this were done with regard to the ET/UFO evidence then, similarly, a conclusion could be reached which all would accept because they all accepted the procedure by which the conclusion was to be reached and they can monitor it to make sure it was followed. Similarly, a Court has rules which have to be followed and so conclusions can be reached, based on the evidence, according to a set procedure.
Originally posted by Malcram
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
But Isn't that also down to personal bias? What constitutes good evidence to you may be utter rubbish to me.
Which is why members like WFA keep promoting the scientific method. The scientific community, despite their disagreements, has a set procedure of rules to follow which leads to conclusions, based on evidence. If this were done with regard to the ET/UFO evidence then, similarly, a conclusion could be reached which all could accept because they all accepted the procedure by which the conclusion was to be reached and they can monitor it to make sure it was followed. Similarly, a Court has rules which have to be followed and so conclusions can be reached, based on the evidence, according to a set procedure. What some of us find inconsistent and irrational is when those same types of criteria are not applied when it comes to the UFO debate. There is a clear double standard.
[edit on 17-3-2009 by Malcram]
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
Okay, fair enough but then I imagine the subject of UFOs and the reality of ETs would drift apart, ater all showing that an unknown unidentified aircraft is real is one thing but trying to prove that there's an alien at the steering wheel is something else. To prove the existence of aliens I would imagine that you would have to study the abduction phenomena to see if any evidence exists there and since most now accept that 99.9% of that is self induced nonsense you would end up back at square one.
Believing in aliens is like believing in religion! You either believe or you don't! If you believe that's fine but I think you shouldn't be too surprised when you end up having your beliefs questioned. I would love to hear what you believe is the difinitive proof that aliens are here or visiting here?