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UK Baroness: "The constant accusation of Anti-Semitism to silence Israels critics is vindictive"

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posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 11:02 AM
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Baroness Tongue rips into the Israel Lobby, AIPAC, Friends of Israel and the Board of Deputies accusing them of constantly using the accusation of Anti-Semitism to silence Israels Critics where no intention of Anti-Semitism exists.




posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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Starred and flagged. I am so darned tired of legitimate criticism of the Zionist agenda being brushed aside as "antisemitism".



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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At last.

Someone who might actually have some influence is realising.

Its only a matter of time before the world sees through these 'Zionists' and stops bending over at every opportunity.

Star and flag, people need to see this.
Last time I pointed this out on here I got a right flaming as being anti-semitic. I didn't even bother replying, their sheer ignorance is satisfaction enough for me.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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I can only hope that David Cameron, after suffering the pain of losing a young child, can at least show a little empathy towards the Palestinian parents who lost so many children to Israeli weapons. Perhaps if he stops to think about it long enough, he may back away from being such a good friend of Israel.

I won't hold my breath waiting though for any sign that he'll do the right thing.


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posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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All I can say is fair play to the baroness. Its about time people start saying it as it is. If we follow the US by cow-towing to Israel we will end up at the gates of hell. Already muslims are being stirred into extremism in britain, the recent Gaza conflict helped that and our constant pro-Israel stance is turning britain into a religious battleground.

How can the papers and media justify all the anti-muslim hype while tip towing around the real issue, the illegal occupying of palestinian lands being the root cause of all religious problems the world over. Slaughtering innocent muslims in oil rich lands is one thing, but saying one is anti-semetic in opposing such policies is a step too far and reveals the real antagonisers in this mess.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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So true what she says. It's about time someone spoke out and told it exactly how it is.

I see an anti-zionist political party has started up in France. Viva La France.


www.partiantisioniste.com...

atheonews.blogspot.com... English translation.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 02:01 PM
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Why is it that whenever anyone talks about the "occupying" of foreign lands by Isreal, they never talk about what led to their occupation in the first place?
It seems to me that ATS has more than a few people who look back on history with blinders.
I agree that the time has come to give back SOME land and to start the conversation again. But I will also always agree with the need for a buffer zone, or DMZ, for the Isrealies own safety. I mean, if the Palestineans weren't firing missiles randomly, and a couple years went by with no change of position by the Isreali's, then I would be against their stance. But right now? Give me a break.

And I still stand by the fact that the root of all war is not the Jewish desire to conquer, but the twisted view of some Muslims to validate intolerance and hate.

Just looking at how they treat their women is enough for me to prove my point.

But I guess arguing against anti-semitism is much easier than attacking Islam. I mean, Jews don't rally the world over and riot and kill to protest, like the Muslims do.

I mean, you are saying that Britain is now a war grounds, due to the Muslims being intollerant in their new country.
So using violence, or the threat of violence, to spread a religious idea or create change? Sounds like the definition of terrorism to me.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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Funny how the rightwing zionists complain about "the race card" but any fair criticism of Israel is use of "the race card" by these same folks always tend to be the ones who incite "the race card" regarding muslims and middle names.

Hypocrites.

Good on Baroness.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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The Zionist movement is still over.
Do you mean "pro-Israel sentiment?"



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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The Baroness is correct, nothing has changed in Israel or the people that run it. A state formed through terrorism continues to use the same tactics against anyone who dares to speak out against Israel. The use murder, and corruption as their stock in trade as they have always done to silence the opposition.

Israel is still blackmailing the World over the Holocaust yet commits crimes of genocide itself for its own self serving interests. But people are gettting pretty tired of the false righteousness of these murders and haters of people. If they continue on their current path they will have the whole World hating them and their supporters.

The lies and deceit they perpeptuate is now becoming clearer and they will no longer be able to continue the charade of a wounded nation or people.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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Good on you Baroness!

I still wish someone of importance would speak out against Israel in my country. I'll keep wishing.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by jasonjnelson
I mean, you are saying that Britain is now a war grounds, due to the Muslims being intollerant in their new country.
So using violence, or the threat of violence, to spread a religious idea or create change? Sounds like the definition of terrorism to me.


I agree. It's crazy to see how many of our brothers across the pond are downright frightened by the muslims that have begun to take over their country. They have a pretty large population of extremists there who have stated they wish to turn the UK into a country that follows sharia law. If things keep heading in the direction they are, they will get their wish and the non-muslims there will bow down and beg for mercy.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 06:23 PM
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I completely agree with this woman, I don't care what any Zionist says about antisemitism, I simply ignore it because I know what game they're trying to pull, silly humans think they're important or something. I recommend everyone read the Protocols of Zion, America isn't a bad country, ISRAEL is, we mustn't condemn America, condom the evil Zionists and ISRAEL, and by this I don't mean the orthodox Jews. If anyone calls me antisemitic I will simply call them pro-Semitic and continue my movement for exposing, detaining, and arresting Zionist terrorists, accelerating their karma, and forcing justice upon them even if in my own hands.

[edit on 16-3-2009 by nano219]



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 06:49 PM
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Here is an interesting picture that relates to this story:





posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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Yeah, I think I recall where many of the British government were Nazi sympathizers and anti-Semitic during the Second. Odd that this Baroness has her skirts in a whirl over this . . .

As far as Zionists getting the British Muslims "fired up," friends, they don't need any firing up. If you aren't a Muslim, you soon will be. That's what they seek, that's what they practice, that's what they'll be demanding, and if you have any doubts about how they "converted" folks through history once they became a significant portion of the population, you need to break out the books.

The Brits have another revolution going on in their country, and don't seem to know it. It's much like cancer. Often it's not noticed until it's already taken over.

We in the US are watchful too, but if one can back off for a moment, one can see that within a few more generations, there will be no more Western Europe. There will be a Muslim Europe with past cultures a thing of the past.

Anti-Zionists? Yeah. Everyone pile into the truck.

Never mind where it's going.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by dooper


We in the US are watchful too, but if one can back off for a moment, one can see that within a few more generations, there will be no more Western Europe. There will be a Muslim Europe with past cultures a thing of the past.



Which Muslim country expanded their borders recently

Which Jewish country has expanded their borders recently...

Israel



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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Isn't the idea that not approving of Israel's policies mean you hate Jews anti-Semitic in itself?

The rulers of Israel do not care about their own people.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Darko
Isn't the idea that not approving of Israel's policies mean you hate Jews anti-Semitic in itself?



Personally , I dont care which religion they practice in Israel, I just wish they would stop starting wars , either directly..Gaza

or indirectly...Iran



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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I'd have to agree that the "anti-semite" card is a blatant smokescreen meant to tar the opposition in what appears to be a highly emitional debate. Problem is we're not playing cards here, we're waging war. Whatever the cause, it's unfair to tar the opposition with a racism brush. that doesn't exactly promote dialogue, now does it?

Besides that, most folks ignore the fact that arabs are semitic too. Hard to support the notion that folks supporting arabs are somehow being "anti-semitic".

Now as far as the "zionist" or "zog" or whatever you want to call the fantasy that you paint with that brush, I can't get behind THAT either, mostly because I can't get any two people to define what they mean by "zionist" and get the same results. That, too seems a smokescreen to me, and doesn't promote any dialogue either.

As far as arab expansionism goes, I'd like to point out the recent "acquisition" of Gaza, that tiny strip of land that get folks so wound up. That would be the arab country of Palestine expanding her borders, wouldn't it? The Israeli relenquishment of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority control would hardly constitute an Israeli expansion to me. maybe you're referring to the Golan Heights. that was what...30, 40 years ago? Depends on how you define "recent", I reckon.

I'll make no bones about my support of Israel, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, but neither would I call Palestinian supporters "anti-semitic".

nenothtu out



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Funny how the rightwing zionists complain about "the race card" but any fair criticism of Israel is use of "the race card" by these same folks always tend to be the ones who incite "the race card" regarding muslims and middle names.

Hypocrites.


I have to say, that also annoys me.

I mean if you are going to call some groups overly sensitive for even uttering the word racism but bash everyone over the head with the Holocaust and anti-antisemitism if they dare say Israel goes to far then you must be very comfortable with living an indisputably hypocritical lifestyle. Your convictions on such issues are shoddy and malleable to your own agenda.

I am sometimes surprised by how some people seem to live with themselves.

Nevertheless this woman is right, and using the Holocaust to excuse such actions or pointing to the behaviors of the previous tenets (turned refugees) is hollow justification for wicked deeds.

- Lee



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