Originally posted by franspeakfree


Unfortunately this event did not make it in the MSM.

[edit on 16-3-2009 by franspeakfree]

Go figure. They will wait to include it in some montage piece where people summoning their spirit contacts from Venus are awaiting instructions on how to join the brotherhood of space.

As in the STS-114 video, these objects continue to DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS by decending towards the Earth, and then holding a stionary position. If these were ice particles, they would continue to fly along with the shuttle. Not only that, but what are the chances of five inanimate objects, drifting randomly, to form an almost perfect semi-circle?

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
As in the STS-114 video, these objects continue to DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS by decending towards the Earth, and then holding a stionary position. If these were ice particles, they would continue to fly along with the shuttle. Not only that, but what are the chances of five inanimate objects, drifting randomly, to form an almost perfect semi-circle?

Exactly UnconventionalRyan1990, which is why I am posting this video, in the STS 114 debate. Jim and friends, talk about pallax ice crystals and debris. I think this video puts that all to bed and I don't believe there is anyone on this thread that can say that these objects that materialise and create a perfect circle and then flash in formation are space debris.

I say that the STS 80 is undeniable proof of intelligently controlled crafts (other than ours in ours) in and around our solarsystem.

Phage, you're going to have to actually TRY to debunk this one buddy!
Now I know it's early, but damn this video is the one that keeps getting me when i'm all alone at night. That is some trippy stuff, I can't see that being anything natural or manmade. There is obvious intelligence here!

Yeah, the debunkers usually tend to stay away from this one lol. "Oh no, it's gonna be hard to try and prove these are ice particles. Maybe if we ignore it, it'll go away by itself." Haha.

What do you think they are, Fran? You have all-but-declared this video cannot be debunked. So, what is your claim?

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
Yeah, the debunkers usually tend to stay away from this one lol. "Oh no, it's gonna be hard to try and prove these are ice particles. Maybe if we ignore it, it'll go away by itself." Haha.

Going to ask you the same question I've asked Fran.

What do you think they are? Instead of just declaring it impossible to debunk, tell us what you think they are and provide evidence supporting it. So far, none of you have done that.

An inability to invalidate a hypothesis is not the same as proving the hypothesis. Provide evidence that supports your claims.

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
All you do SaviorComplex is imply that, just because we dont believe in the whole "ice particle" thing, we think its intelligently controlled E.T. spacecraft. Why the change of heart, all of a sudden?

I did not imply anything. I asked a question, a very specific question. Don't play games. I'll ask again. What do you think this video represents.

Has anyone else noticed the little game the believers are playing with these videos? They declare them impossible to debunk but refuse to say what they think these objects are.

[edit on 16-3-2009 by SaviorComplex]

If you scroll up a bit, you will see that I've already put forth evidence as to why these cant be ice particles. But you've probably already made up your mind as to what they are before even watching the video. All I have to say now is that they look like they are being intelligently controlled. So why dont you try and prove me otherwise?

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
If you scroll up a bit, you will see that I've already put forth evidence as to why these cant be ice particles.

That is not what I asked, now is it?

So, I will try again. What do you think they are.

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
But you've probably already made up your mind as to what they are before even watching the video.

Now how could you possibly know that?

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
All I have to say now is that they look like they are being intelligently controlled. So why dont you try and prove me otherwise?

Finally, we are getting somewhere.

But see, that's now how this works. You are the one's making the claim, therefore you carry the burden of proof. Demonstrate your claims. Tell us what you think they are and provide the evidence for it.

[edit on 16-3-2009 by SaviorComplex]

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
As in the STS-114 video, these objects continue to DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS by decending towards the Earth, and then holding a stionary position. If these were ice particles, they would continue to fly along with the shuttle. Not only that, but what are the chances of five inanimate objects, drifting randomly, to form an almost perfect semi-circle?

Since we only have the video to go on, ^^^ that is my evidence for my beliefs. Now stop talking in circles and actually try and disprove it.

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
Since we only have the video to go on, ^^^ that is my evidence for my beliefs. Now stop talking in circles and actually try and disprove it.

No one is talking in circles. I am asking a question, one which you have thus-far failed to answer. Third time is a charm: what do you think these are?

Whether or not I can invalidate your hypothesis is meaningless; the inability to invalidate a hypothesis is not the same as proving it. Even with your half-formed hypothesis, you still bear the burden of proof. You claim that these are something but thus far do not tell us what, just that you think it is impossible for certain things to be taking place.