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posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 02:42 AM
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Here is an account from a survivalist that went through the economic collapse of Argentina in 2001.
He talks about the value of gold, weapons, urban vs country, black markets, crime.
An absolute must read for everyone.
Economic collapse




posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 03:08 AM
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Oh, maybe you don’t think that firearms are really necessary or your beliefs do not allow you to buy a tool designed to kill people. So you probably ask yourself, is a gun really necessary when TSHTF? Will it truly make a difference? Having gone through a shtf scenario myself, total economical collapse in the year 2001, and still dealing with the consequences, 5 years later, I feel I can answer that question. YES, you need a gun, pepper spray, a machete, a battle axe, club with a rusty nail sticking out of it, or whatever weapon you can get hold of.




I'll take that advice.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 04:13 AM
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Best read on the subject ever!


I started today with this thread...and now I am carefully reading the link you provided in here...
Gives me the shivers, man...


Great stuff...outstanding.
Thanks!



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 04:53 AM
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I have come across FerFAl before he used to write on a few other forums, poor guy was having a heluva time down south america way, he would suddenly drop out of sight, then re appear months later. Knows his stuff and help counter complacency.
NR



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 05:05 AM
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Guys what would you think if a main stream international news agency like the BBC started putting out articles about survivalism and preparedness, in fact two within days of each other???.
Thats what has happened this week on the BBC, and I for one strongly believe in a sublimal influence of the media on public perceptions and political attitudes.

news.bbc.co.uk...

news.bbc.co.uk...

Methinks bad times are not so far ahead as we once thought.
Respects NR

[edit on 16-3-2009 by Northern Raider]



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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I'd never cpme across the Frugal stuff before. I thought it was a real good article. If the SHTF here in the US, you know that the same mass-pychology will take place here. Car jackings and robberies and kidnappings - only there is probably more people with guns who will occupy the 'desperate' section of the populace.
Something I had never even thought of, was a change in driving habits!
Also, as living in a small city, I had assumed the extended family and I would just 'up and off' to the family ranch, out in the middle of nowhere. But, that is a fairly short-term solution, and I had only ever considered it as such. But what if this recovery takes 5 - 10 years to get back to normal? We will have to return to our homes at some point (which has probably been ransacked after being empty for 2 years!); and that is when you have to deal with the types of situations Frugal was dealing with.
The vast majority of people are going to try and carry on as normal, but the situation will slowly suck people into desperation, and the measures that they need to survive.
It may even be you or me that has to resort to robbing and extortion!
So what would you do if you were desperate enough? Well, that answer is what you can expect other people to be doing to you.

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posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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I would think perhaps they are running a feature to advertise a Horizon documentary that was on the same day.

That is, if I had seen it. I stopped watching/reading BBC some time ago. I only return when viewing recommended links.

Incidentally, I thought I recognised Andrew Silke's name. A quick google search confirmed it. He's been the goto-guy on anything related to terrorism before. Not a psychologist, just does terrorism, and more terrorism. You can get a MSc in it now apparently. Oh and he's based about 20minutes walk from me.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 01:23 PM
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That is, if I had seen it. I stopped watching/reading BBC some time ago. I only return when viewing recommended links.


I still read the BBC almost daily. The BBC, CNN, Reuters, TASS, and the NY times.
It is the only way you can get a jist of what is the truth behind an article.
American MSM will not cover big stories that are to be found in European news, like BBC and Reuters. European news will be found at TASS, but from the complete opposite side of the propaganda wall - Once you can see 2 or 3 sides to a story, you can usually determine the truth. If you already know the type of spin that CNN,TASS, or the BBC will put on a story, you can decipher why they are promoting one aspect of a news story, and it will give you insight into what agenda their government has.
If you read between the lines, news sites have a lot of valuable info.

Edit: What I'm saying is, don't take news sources at their face value, as they are almost always skewed to fit an agenda. Always go look up the same story elsewhere. If you can get 2 or 3 different views of a story, you are much nearer for seeing the complete truth of the story clearly. The same goes if media omits big stories, yet they are found elswhere, that reveals a lot - conspicious by its absence.

[edit on 16-3-2009 by cruzion]



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by cruzion
"If you read between the lines, news sites have a lot of valuable info."


A great insight and a great advise!



That is what those in control are afraid of: that we have grown out of the propaganda, that we can see the pattern, that we have open and awakened minds.

I must also say, that I believe that such situation as displayed in the link, would to happen in the USA the results would be extra grim.
I might (hopefully) not spread nationwide, but think about a cities like Boise, Jackson or Nashville; all densely populated areas in states where gun ownership is high...and by that I mean legal guns. God knows how many illegal ones are in circulation.

I don't say this as a gun-hater, because how things tend to develop, a US-citizen can not be blamed for packing heat. But when everybody starts to "defend their turf" there will much shooting with not only handguns, but SMG's and military issue AR's. And with traffic clogged with people desperate to bug out, you might feel tempted to blast your way through the hysteria... Gruesome thing to imagine.

The so called "weed out" phase, which in it self is a phrase so fascistic it makes me sick, might be over real fast. You must remember that people tend to go pretty wacko when "TSHTF".

I live far away from the US, but sure risk ending up in a serious situation here as well, I face another kind of problem with the gun-issue.
It is very much hard work for me a acquire one.
First I must join a shooting club, and to do that I need to be invited by somebody who can recommend me to the club. Then it is fee's to be paid for membership and so on.
This system might seem absurd to some, but it has worked for so long here that most people don't have any guns at all, and they don't really care to have one either. Of course the illegal market is there, but it is not so woven into society, not quite yet. Maybe we will just make swords and shields and go medieval on each other's asses!


Still, the matter of defence will become extremely important. I am thinking, seriously, about maybe constructing a pretty decent cross-bow or something like that. Still think you need a license for those...doh!
I'll just have to do with my axe, and some mean martial arts!

Maybe just become dragged back into service and the the entire kit: 50 .cal machine guns, grenades, tanks, fighter jets...


Only problem is; one must draw the line between thinking: "this will be hell and war" and "I want to live through it as clean and safe as possible".
If we all prepare for war and hell, then it will be ugly.
If we all strive to make this squeaky clean, we will do so.
Do we want to do it different this time, or will we go with the old "famine and destruction" concept, tried by our forefathers over and over for millenniums? I mean, we could go for the latter, but the only outcome is the birth and foundation of more S to hit the F in the future. That is why that system lives seemingly forever.
I was thinking we would try to not make that happen.

In Europe, chaos and riots happen all the time. Even Iceland has had serious public outrages. As have Latvia, Greece among others. Seems like there is one new city per month- I am not kidding you.
Poor people git hit first and the worst. Parisian suburbs have seen this for a long time, and now the heat is on. Similar, segregated and mistreated areas are in Madrid, Berlin, Rome...for God's sake, even Stockholm!

Expression in public desperation over problems that are unfixable and out of a sense that the system has failed and there is no other option than either fight it or flee from it. People are confused and afraid.
A strong mind might help you better than any auto-inflated self esteem a gun can give you.

Seriously though, mental preparation is the most important phase, and this phase should be focused on how to make it, not how to fight it.
I see a distressing number of people who think that this will be some sort of wet mercenary or cowboy dream. A dream in which they can smoke who ever they want, and live out of looted goods.

These problems seem unavoidable and maybe they will play their part. We will all see what is in stored for us.

Seems like the bottom line of what is provided in the link is:
Get together a useful bunch of lads.
Stack up.
Bug out.
Dig in (choose good areas for self-sufficiency).
Wait for the stuff to be over.

My advice is to do the above right about....uh....now!
I get crazy with folks waiting for the "signs".
Well, I'll give you a sign:
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GET GOING!


[edit on 16-3-2009 by Raud]



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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Vis. your OP. That is something else. The fact that someone has the presence of mind to document their experiences in that way is simply astounding.

Not as astounding as the content but pretty close. This is essential reading. Yes, for those gadding about, convinced that "it could never happen here" read, and inwardly digest.


I'm serious, everyone should read this.

[edit: for emphasis]




[edit on 16-3-2009 by Nirgal]



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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I have to add (since it didn't fit in my post earlier):

Just don't forget that war and chaos are terrible, horrific and utterly destructive situations and they must be feared and avoided at all costs, at all times. Violence bring attention from those who are dying to find an opportunity to "correct" us. Civil war is the worst kind of war, they say...

But as long as we keep our hopes up, it will all pass, real smooth!


[edit on 16-3-2009 by Raud]



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 03:36 PM
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sure,I dont know if you get ''the Unit'' in the UK but this weeks episode was about a chemical attack on us soil..I firmly beleive they use the media to soften the subject to promote awaredness.They made darn sure to stress about sealing windows,doors with tape or whatever...CBS yet again came out with a nWo type show called ''Kings''..It seems to be about a one world leader with a civil war of sorts..I wonder how long this will be on until ''yanked'' like Jehrico was..Ratings me arse...



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by Redpillblues
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sure,I dont know if you get ''the Unit'' in the UK but this weeks episode was about a chemical attack on us soil..I firmly beleive they use the media to soften the subject to promote awaredness.They made darn sure to stress about sealing windows,doors with tape or whatever...CBS yet again came out with a nWo type show called ''Kings''..It seems to be about a one world leader with a civil war of sorts..I wonder how long this will be on until ''yanked'' like Jehrico was..Ratings me arse...


Didnt like the UNIt just far to gung ho for an old soldier like me, I did like Jericho and the other one with Luke perry in it, something else begining with J I think.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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America seems to be riding this global collapse a lot better than most of the other nations in the world. Perhaps that was part of the game - a quick economic attrition that will keep the US ahead? Depending on GDP and economic infrastructure, there will be a variation in how quick each country will get back to its pre-collapse status. If the US knows it will be one of the first, then I can see how it would be a viable move in the world economic chess game. It could also open a lot of doors into countries that are going to be lagging behind. It sucks for the little guy, but when you think laterally, in terms of your whole country as a single unit, all parts making one big entity that is up against other entities, it makes sense. I mean, we know this whole scandal has been constructed, and people are talking about the Rockefellas and national banks and the NWO constructing it, but what if it was just the US economic think-tanks that constructed it? Europe and Asia seem to be hurting a lot more than the US.
As the blog writer from Argentina said, it never descended into a civil war - it was just an increase in crime and desperation. I can't see anything within the US that is devisive enough to snowball into a civil war. If we do collapse to the extent of 2001 Argentina, it is going to be gangs and groups of everyday people doing each other over, with the polics and gov agencies trying to keep a lid on the chaos. Everybody is going to try and secure what they need, at the exspense of someone else that has it.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by Northern Raider

Originally posted by Redpillblues
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sure,I dont know if you get ''the Unit'' in the UK but this weeks episode was about a chemical attack on us soil..I firmly beleive they use the media to soften the subject to promote awaredness.They made darn sure to stress about sealing windows,doors with tape or whatever...CBS yet again came out with a nWo type show called ''Kings''..It seems to be about a one world leader with a civil war of sorts..I wonder how long this will be on until ''yanked'' like Jehrico was..Ratings me arse...


Didnt like the UNIt just far to gung ho for an old soldier like me, I did like Jericho and the other one with Luke perry in it, something else begining with J I think.



The other one with Luke Perry is called Jeremiah. Just watched it all day on Sci-Fi today. And i have to agree with you, Jerico was an awesome show.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by Anuubis

Originally posted by Northern Raider

Originally posted by Redpillblues
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sure,I dont know if you get ''the Unit'' in the UK but this weeks episode was about a chemical attack on us soil..I firmly beleive they use the media to soften the subject to promote awaredness.They made darn sure to stress about sealing windows,doors with tape or whatever...CBS yet again came out with a nWo type show called ''Kings''..It seems to be about a one world leader with a civil war of sorts..I wonder how long this will be on until ''yanked'' like Jehrico was..Ratings me arse...


Didnt like the UNIt just far to gung ho for an old soldier like me, I did like Jericho and the other one with Luke perry in it, something else begining with J I think.



The other one with Luke Perry is called Jeremiah. Just watched it all day on Sci-Fi today. And i have to agree with you, Jerico was an awesome show.


Yup thats the one, decent drama and acting and not resorting to guns and bull sh*t to make the show, fascinating story line in both dramas, why do the Americans keep pulling the plug on qualitty dramas and still produce years of crap ?



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 05:21 AM
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I only read about 20% of the story. I book marked the page so I can finish reading it. Thanks for the find. Tac out



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 12:42 PM
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Because the stories don't follow their leftist socialist bullsh*t agendas. They would rather see something about people turning to the government for help than survive on their own.



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 03:29 PM
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I'm sure most of you will dismiss this due to it not being a "Westernised" nation but take heed, coming soon to a country near you.

Thanks to DrMattMaddix for spotting this and posting their thread.

[edit on 17-3-2009 by Nirgal]



posted on Mar, 17 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Nirgal
I'm sure most of you will dismiss this due to it not being a "Westernised" nation but take heed, coming soon to a country near you.

Thanks to DrMattMaddix for spotting this and posting their thread.

[edit on 17-3-2009 by Nirgal]


Bit to late for us Brits we walking in with both eyes open into the EEC, which became the EU and is now becoming the EUSSR. We have the CCTV, the homicidal police who never face prosecution for killing unarmed people, Spot checks, security scanners and check points at train stations and airports, compulsory ID cards in the system, monitoring of phone and E mail without warrant. you name it the UK is a prtyy good example of what East Germany would have become if the USSR had not fallen.



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